Who doesn't love a bit of bling!!!
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Who doesn't love a bit of bling!!!
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13-10-25, 10:53 PM
So for the next addition to the bike, a very shiny braced swing arm!
Looks like I've a couple of jobs coming up this weekend! Got the Giles to fit aswell and fingers crossed in the next couple of weeks a new front end ? More to come..... 
15-10-25, 12:57 PM
Im really frustrated though that the brace has been placed so far back! Now the original torque arm is too short so the bracket fowls.
To get around this they have manufactured a longer torque arm but this bushes the caliper back so it doesn't hang naturally. Being as ar*ey as I am, im just not happy with it!
hmm a tough one, I might have looked at seeing if the caliper could be top mounted so as not to catch all the crap off the road.
But if you have a paid a lot of money for the work then thats just poor craftsmanship. They need to modify the inside of the bracing so the rear calipers bracket dosen't foul it, plain and simple. Have you looked at seeing if the torque arm can be moved in-board towards the wheel? obviously it can't be any further in that the inside edge of the swingarm, as that s a safety hazard. 
I was thinking the same as B1k3rdude mount the caliper at the top. I was looking at my own bike and there should be enough space to mount it there. You could use the FZS600 rear brake line as it would have a bend to suit as the entry hole for the brake fluid which would be at the rear. You would really need to mount the wheel on with it to be absolutely sure.
It would probably look better as the bottom would not be cluttered with the brace, the torque arm and the caliper. You would need to check clearance from the caliper to the exhaust 
16-10-25, 03:24 PM
Red Ceri has the calliper on top of the swing arm mod. Haven’t seen him post on here for quite a while though. If you needed any “how to” info I could try giving him a call.
Whizz kid sitting pretty on his two wheeled stallion.
16-10-25, 08:32 PM
(15-10-25, 12:57 PM)RMT1983 Wrote: Im really frustrated though that the brace has been placed so far back! Now the original torque arm is too short so the bracket fowls. Easy fix. Bin the torque arm all together & weld a stop lug on inside of swingarm, use a smaller top mount caliper & bracket from another bike, minimal work for maximum gain. Dunno why folk bleat on about these OEM Sumitomo Blue spot or Gold spot calipers, they've all got crappy manufacturing tolerances, pads rattle like crazy unless you fab up some shims & way too powerful for rear brake use.
17-10-25, 03:45 PM
17-10-25, 04:38 PM
(16-10-25, 08:32 PM)Gaz66 Wrote:(15-10-25, 12:57 PM)RMT1983 Wrote: Im really frustrated though that the brace has been placed so far back! Now the original torque arm is too short so the bracket fowls. Never had that issue with any of the Blue spots, you must be fitting cheap pads
20-10-25, 12:39 AM
(17-10-25, 04:38 PM)unfazed Wrote: Never had that issue with any of the Blue spots, you must be fitting cheap pads EBC is all I use, Sumitomo calipers aka (Blue or Gold spots) have always had tolerance issues, EBC pads rattle like a 2 stroke at tick over, there's not a snowballs chance in hell any other pads are gunna be a snug fit, calipers are just a low cost poorly designed part. It's nice to see smart arsed opinionated (admin) Grahamm has disappeared of late, not so nice to see you've jumped into his shoes with smart arsed replies to every post. Keep up the good work, forums really going down the shitter.
20-10-25, 02:04 PM
(20-10-25, 12:39 AM)Gaz66 Wrote:Not an opinion, but a truthful fact, as the one time I used a different pad to EBC HH, as I was going on holidays and couldnt not get the EBC HH ones in time. they rattled like hell.(17-10-25, 04:38 PM)unfazed Wrote: Never had that issue with any of the Blue spots, you must be fitting cheap pads They were so bad I stopped in Roscoff to check them. Everything looked fine, they were working fine. Bought new Mounting Pins and Clips in a Yamaha dealer near Saralat which was conveinent as we were there for the week touring around the Dordogne River Valley. It improved it, but it was still there. Took them out when I came back from holidays and threw them in the bin. If you want to believe it was a smart arse comment thats fine with me.
20-10-25, 08:35 PM
A little progress made yesterday... need a inner bearing puller though so its parked again for now....
21-10-25, 11:12 AM
Bling is just that bling, this won't offer any improvement beyond what the standard swinger had and if you think is will or does it's in your head, as said it's just bling. Not very well made bling either by the sounds of it if you've got to start cutting/welding and modding to get it to fit!
Still each to their own will be interesting to see it finished.  Sumitomo calipers were and still are top notch hence Yamaha still fit them, albeit with slightly bigger pistons and now radial versions. EBC pads aren't what they used to be, ever since they were bought out by the yanks in the early 2000's, compounds are now high wear on the discs and pads tolerances vary, they're also smaller compared to OE. Same applies to their discs, they're cheap for a reason, often OE is only slightly more even cheaper! Main reason these calipers get screwed, fitting shite cheap pads and not replacing the tension shims, which over time loose their tension and allow the pads to vibrate/move. Which if left, wears groves into the caliper bodies and in time will allow the pads to twist and jam in the bodies, first signs of that is lack of initial bite,feel and tapering pads. Chuck in EBC or other cheaper replacements and in short order the braking is half what it should be and the calipers are destroyed. I've got/had a fair few customers who've covered 50k plus FZS600s/1000's, Thunder aces/cats, XJR1300s and R1s that have had no issues with their calipers. Common denominator they don't use EBC and change the tension shims every 18k, plus proper servicing. EBC hit the market as a cheaper option in the early/mid 90's good when the first arrived not so after the yanks got hold of them early 2000's and cut cost i.e cheaper materials etc. About the same time others begun to enter the motorcycle pad market, Ferodo, Galfer, Brembo, SBK etc plus a few others who are no longer around and made utter shite. Best pads to fit are OE end of, they just aren't cheap and don't come in HH only GG. Same for the FZS600, XJR1300, but this side of a race trace you don't need HH or you could always fit the pads from an R1. Carbon Lorraine (CL), was the best next option back in the day, as good as OE and they did come in HH. You can still get them only they're just as expensive if not more as OE now and not commonly held by stockists these days. SBK is what I fit for my customers reasonable price and perform as good as OE and CL. Nothing wrong with Sumitomo calipers just people working/playing on/with them.
Later
Right-o, so reading Gnasher's post I'm not seeing how/where he is being angry, he even said he would be interested in seeing the finish result. The rest of his post while dry to some is just going into detail about the the calipers/pads. Regarding the EBC pads paragraph, I have personally experienced exactly what he his describing and referring to on my FZ1, which is why I have a complete spare set of front calipers and a set of MT10 caliper pad clips, as they stop the pads from rattling...!!!
Like Gnasher I am interested to see how the build of the bike progresses, seeings as I have owned 5x different FZS1000's over the years :-) As for the three posts after that, they are not contributing anything to the thread, so removed. If people cant get along that's fine, but atleast be civil.
And to everyone else in this thread -
Please stay on topic and please be civil. Yes we all have opinions and some are even professional mechanics, but any more posts that do not contribute to thread will be removed. Half of this thread are people getting snippy with each other that aren't even the original thread poster - I refer you to forum Etiquette - https://foc-u.co.uk/mybb/showthread.php?tid=82473 This is RMT's project, if you have something helpfull to contribute then grand, otherwise see above. |
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