Headlights

[fazersharp]

There you go  :lol

That was good one  :rollin

[bald_pig]

They might not be the best option, but they were an improvement over the bulbs that came out, but anything is really!


And I know I need to realign them, I started to remove them, remembered how much of a faff it was to do it all in the right order and bunged them back in again!


Luckily, despite being a key worker I can do 99% of my work from home so she isn't getting used much

[darrsi]

They might not be the best option, but they were an improvement over the bulbs that came out, but anything is really!


And I know I need to realign them, I started to remove them, remembered how much of a faff it was to do it all in the right order and bunged them back in again!


Luckily, despite being a key worker I can do 99% of my work from home so she isn't getting used much

Whenever you get round to getting the beam on both lights right, could you post another picture up please as firstly I'm sure once aligned they will look way better, and secondly this is the sort of post that will be checked out by people quite a lot.  :thumbup

[vinnyb]

When I started looking for a Fazer I was looking for a red black and silver boxeye and I had planned to fit this as one of my first mods, as it turns out I got a foxeye  and don't need it but although they're not cheap it seems like the best mod for boxeye headlights.
https://www.retrofitlab.com/en/yamaha-fz...001-1.html

[Gnasher]

These have been around for a while now, even with standard bulbs they're an improvement.  The issue with them has been price and the HID fitment come MOT time many will fail and HID and the high beam motor can fail.  With LED's that's now not an issue, but the price now is.  Quality adjustable LEDs are expensive £60 - 120 each, which pushes this mod to round £350 or more depending on the LEDs. 

They're also issues with the fitting it's not a straight plug and play.  Some conversion of connectors is required, getting it all to fit within the firing can be challenge, if you don't feel up to fitting yourself this will add to the price around £70 ish. 

But if you use the bike a lot at night, it's a worth while mod with LEDs which should get you through an MOT.  If you opt for HID you'll be running the risk of MOT fail or you'll have to fit Halogen for the test.  Oh and make sure you order UK spec left hand traffic. 

[fazersharp]

I dont ride at night but I am lucky that I dont have to but one of my first mods 18 years ago was to do the both lights on mod but even that I have an inline fuse that I pop out for the mot.

[Gnasher]

I hope you've adjusted your high beam (H4) reflector then as you'll be dazzling on coming traffic and getting flashed a lot

[fazersharp]

I hope you've adjusted your high beam (H4) reflector then as you'll be dazzling on coming traffic and getting flashed a lot

Nope and dont get flashed. Maybe because most of my riding is in at least bright daylight if not sun. Or maybe I have adjusted it and have forgot.
Also it's a boxeye remember so its crap anyway.

[Gnasher]

Nope and dont get flashed. Maybe because most of my riding is in at least bright daylight if not sun. Or maybe I have adjusted it and have forgot.
Also it's a boxeye remember so its crap anyway.

Matters not they're crap, they still dazzle.  Chances are your just lucky or it's not adjusted correctly as you don't ride at night so you wouldn't notice.  Many are as the instructions in the Haynes manual on how to is wrong!  Many owners fall into the trap.
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[darrsi]

One of my pet hates is when you get cars coming towards you with misaligned headlights so one or more lights instantly blind you. Occasionally get them behind you as well so they blind you with your own mirrors.  :grumble 

[vinnyb]

One of my pet hates is when you get cars coming towards you with misaligned headlights so one or more lights instantly blind you. Occasionally get them behind you as well so they blind you with your own mirrors.  :grumble

Also foccin wankers on two wheels riding with their main beam on during the day thinking 'well, at least they can see me' while everyone coming towards them is foccin blinded. It seems to have become something of a trend.

[darrsi]

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One of my pet hates is when you get cars coming towards you with misaligned headlights so one or more lights instantly blind you. Occasionally get them behind you as well so they blind you with your own mirrors.  :grumble

Also foccin wankers on two wheels riding with their main beam on during the day thinking 'well, at least they can see me' while everyone coming towards them is foccin blinded. It seems to have become something of a trend.
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I don't think it's anything new, the difference is that newer bikes and scooters do have very decent lights so they really don't need them on full beam at all.
Probably more likely to be the less experienced scooter riders actually.

[vinnyb]

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One of my pet hates is when you get cars coming towards you with misaligned headlights so one or more lights instantly blind you. Occasionally get them behind you as well so they blind you with your own mirrors.  :grumble

Also foccin wankers on two wheels riding with their main beam on during the day thinking 'well, at least they can see me' while everyone coming towards them is foccin blinded. It seems to have become something of a trend.
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I don't think it's anything new, the difference is that newer bikes and scooters do have very decent lights so they really don't need them on full beam at all.
Probably more likely to be the less experienced scooter riders actually.

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I've noticed it more on sportsbikes and the big trailies more to be honest. Maybe it's because they only have one light running on dipped beam and feel the need to have both on. What ever the reason it's bloody annoying and dangerous.

[Gnasher]

Much of it is cheap non adjustable LED's that can't be set to match the reflector and/or wrongly fitted bulbs, you'd be amazed at how many are fitted wrongly.  Same with cars ever since Halfords have been fitting bulbs :\ :rolleyes 

[TOM VR46]

Just to add a wee bit. There was a post from His Dudeness in January - ignition switch circuit - which had a wiring diagram for headlight upgrade using 2 relays to convert to using 2, H4 bulbs. The wiring diagram was supplied by limax2, and is easy to follow, even me . 
The only thing to think about is making a holder to convert H1 side to H4. I used the rubber boot from behind headlight to make a ring using fibre glass resin. Then using Dremel ,cut in a H4 bulb shape into hard resin. You can get a spring clip from Halfords to then hold a H4 bulb.  Then enlarged the H1 hole in headlight to accept the H4 bulb. I used more resin to hold my new holder to rear of reflector.
In the post it says "lights are 10 times better" , I would say more than 10 , even with standard H4 Bulbs. I have spots on my bike too. Since doing this to headlight I have only used the spots when it gets foggy .
I also done away with that silly side light bulb and put in two LED 501 bulbs from Halfords. Ive attached a couple of pics. Hope they work.
With the wiring diagram from limax2 it makes this job a lot easier, and gives the Fazer headlights that work. I do quite a lot of night riding and this makes it a lot more enjoyable .

[darrsi]

Just to add a wee bit. There was a post from His Dudeness in January - ignition switch circuit - which had a wiring diagram for headlight upgrade using 2 relays to convert to using 2, H4 bulbs. The wiring diagram was supplied by limax2, and is easy to follow, even me . 
The only thing to think about is making a holder to convert H1 side to H4. I used the rubber boot from behind headlight to make a ring using fibre glass resin. Then using Dremel ,cut in a H4 bulb shape into hard resin. You can get a spring clip from Halfords to then hold a H4 bulb.  Then enlarged the H1 hole in headlight to accept the H4 bulb. I used more resin to hold my new holder to rear of reflector.
In the post it says "lights are 10 times better" , I would say more than 10 , even with standard H4 Bulbs. I have spots on my bike too. Since doing this to headlight I have only used the spots when it gets foggy .
I also done away with that silly side light bulb and put in two LED 501 bulbs from Halfords. Ive attached a couple of pics. Hope they work.
With the wiring diagram from limax2 it makes this job a lot easier, and gives the Fazer headlights that work. I do quite a lot of night riding and this makes it a lot more enjoyable .

Can you not add photos of your H4 mod at the rear of the light? It all sounds great but pictures would be much more helpful.

[Gnasher]

The bulb type will make little real difference to the pattern/spread you get on the road at distance, as this is determined by the reflector.  The reflector is matched to the bulb, the position of the filament or point where the light is made is crucial just a few mm out and you lose the pattern/spread.  This is one reason we are seeing a lot of dazzling.  H7s can quite easily not be seated correctly, which moves the filament position, the same applies to non adjustable LEDs fitted into reflector headlamps.  The light source is in the wrong position, yes you get more light by looking at them but it's not concentrated into the correct pattern/spread. 


A H4 bulb in a H1 reflector might work ish on low beam, but not on high as the filament position will move and the reflector is set for a single filament, i.e. no movement.     

[darrsi]

The bulb type will make little real difference to the pattern/spread you get on the road at distance, as this is determined by the reflector.  The reflector is matched to the bulb, the position of the filament or point where the light is made is crucial just a few mm out and you lose the pattern/spread.  This is one reason we are seeing a lot of dazzling.  H7s can quite easily not be seated correctly, which moves the filament position, the same applies to non adjustable LEDs fitted into reflector headlamps.  The light source is in the wrong position, yes you get more light by looking at them but it's not concentrated into the correct pattern/spread. 


A H4 bulb in a H1 reflector might work ish on low beam, but not on high as the filament position will move and the reflector is set for a single filament, i.e. no movement.   

Good to know, cheers.

[TOM VR46]

Some pics to go with previous post H1 to H4, not the best but will give idea. I actually found the first resin ring which will help with the idea I had. I didn't use enough resin first time so it wasn't large enough.  The resin ring was made using the rubber boot from behind the headlight. I wont show photo of that. The relays I mounted behind crossbar behind main wiring. Some have put relays somewhere behind clocks but I found there was enough space here. I also ran new wires to headlights, just seemed easier to me. To attach spring I used small picture hook and part of the H1 fitting that I had to cut off to enlarge the hole for the H4 bulb.Then along with wiring diagram , job done. And most important part , I got LIGHTS :rolleyes :rolleyes .
I was just going to go to scrap yard and find an old headlight with H4 fitting and cut it down to fit headlight. This would be a lot easier.

[TOM VR46]

And I know this will be NOTICED , the last pic has went upside down :'( , oops. :lol . And just to finish this one of relays . So hope that gives you some idea of what I done. And with diagram as mentioned you get great headlights. Even with standard H4 bulbs. Oh and pass switch that works. And it will pass any MOT. You will have to adjust headlight beam but you will have to do that with any kind of headlight mod, and that dosent take long.