Jihad Brides return to U.K!

[steve 10562cc]

What would keep us safe is not to let Terrorist, returning home grown terrorist, and convicted foreign criminals into the country. British nationals or not. 

[agricola]

Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.

Yes unfortunately true, but it helps keep us safe.  Most of which are British born nationals, and many are on the extreme right. Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their motivation.

But its also a drain on our resources, money I would rather see spent on many of the other better causes and problems ailing our society than on these twisted individuals. I could not argue should the Home Secretary choose to remove the British citizenship from all those individuals who chose to support IS. If, as VNA suggests, they are acting and supported by the Saudi regime, then there should be no problem finding them a new place to live. And good foccing riddance

[mtread]

But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.

[slappy]

But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.

And its a fact the vast majority, and the worst ones, have been committed by people identifying as supporters of Islam.
There is a rise in far right terrorism as well and  both  types of terrorism will continue to rise because no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
All those on the watch list from any group are costing tax payers in the UK a fortune, it takes 12 officers to monitor one person full time.  Obviously they can only monitor a small amount  of people properly at any one time as there are only so many officers to do it, so the last we need is terrorists or their supporters coming back here, we do not have the resources to monitor them properly, and many other countries are having the same problem.
The terrorists might not be winning by acts of violence but in a financial sense they are.
The less of them we have to monitor means resources can be directed towards those whom are regarded as highest risk.

[agricola]

But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.

That may or may not be the case, but it has no bearing on my statement, which is solely and simply regarding those who have made their way to a war zone, been trained in various methods of killing/torture/rape etc against anyone who is not of their cause. Their return would cause significant strain upon already stretched resources, with the ultimate risk of perpetrators slipping of the radar and acting against the nation and its citizens.


Those already here require a different solution

[ogri48]

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But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.

That may or may not be the case, but it has no bearing on my statement, which is solely and simply regarding those who have made their way to a war zone, been trained in various methods of killing/torture/rape etc against anyone who is not of their cause. Their return would cause significant strain upon already stretched resources, with the ultimate risk of perpetrators slipping of the radar and acting against the nation and its citizens.


Those already here require a different solution
[/quote] well said. It gets exhausting, doesn't it. no matter what atrocity, indignity and hurt is heaped onto our homeland or our citizens, according to the supercilious insults from those coddled in their liberal opinions on their moral high ground, somehow we are always to blame. Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have. Watching people like Diane Abbott playing the blame game with that poor babies death, and try to make political capital out of it is equally galling.The left say bring her back to face justice, when we all know (including them) she wont have to, just as hundreds of others who have returned havnt. The blame for this infants death lies squarely with isis and the misbegotten path his parents took, not with us, or the governments. but then that doesnt suit the ideology of those who hate both this country, and those of us who love it.

[VNA]

Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have.

Shamina Begum is not a refugee. 

[VNA]

Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.

It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism.  We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves.  And just thank your lucky stars you ain't Afghan, Iarqi or Libyan.  All countries the UK has helped destroy in recent years.  100,000 upon 100,000's of people killed and millions upon millions displaced.
You might just want to open your eyes a little.

[ogri48]

I agree to a certain point. Blairs warmongering and subsequent profiteering altered things forever, and started chains of events that will have consequences forever. That he never got prosecuted for war crimes is a genuine stain on our nation, and something we should be ashamed of. But I don't think that ordinary people should continue to pay the price for decisions that madman made. We should do whatever it takes to keep society here safe for our children. 

[fazersharp]

It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism.  We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves.

You make it sound like we are the only country who has had its citizens travel to the "caliphate "  As of December 2015, approximately 30,000 fighters from at least 85 countries had travelled. Are you saying that those 85 countries are all imperialistic warmongers. 

[VNA]

I think you have completely missed my point Fazersharp. 

But I don't think that ordinary people should continue to pay the price for decisions that madman made.

Millions of people across the Middle East do continue to pay for the warmongering of Blair, which continued with Cameron and today with May.

[ogri48]

so you think we deserve to have terrorists living amongst us?

[mtread]

no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.

So how does that work then? OK I've said 'enough'. Look no difference.

That may or may not be the case,

No, it is the case

  Those already here require a different solution

Which is? See, you offer no solutions at all. You can't 'send people back' where they haven't been. You can't stop refugees coming in when they are not refugees. If you don't want to spend money monitoring terrorists, whether they be Islamic or extreme right wing, then be prepared to be blown up, run over or stabbed. But I'd rather not.

[VNA]

And its a fact the vast majority, and the worst ones, have been committed by people identifying as supporters of Islam.
There is a rise in far right terrorism as well and  both  types of terrorism will continue to rise because no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.

Yes indeed fascism is rearing it’s ugly face once more across the globe. 



Today 49 people were shot dead as they attended their place of worship in New Zealand.  The killer describes himself as “a regular white man from a regular family”.  He describes his parents as “Scottish, Irish and English stock”

So maybe we should start right here on this forum by saying enough is enough.  No more promotion of facist material – no more Stephen Yaxley videos.  No more links to known right wing extremists and facebook groups.

[dazza]

Today 49 people were shot dead as they attended their place of worship in New Zealand.  The killer describes himself as “a regular white man from a regular family”.  He describes his parents as “Scottish, Irish and English stock”

So maybe we should start right here on this forum by saying enough is enough.  No more promotion of facist material – no more Stephen Yaxley videos.  No more links to known right wing extremists and facebook groups.

Yep, that'll do it.


No ones allowed to talk about him (except VNA who along with mtread are the ones who always bring him up first) and everything will go away.  :rollin  You idiot.


Oh, and using the tragic mass murder of innocent human beings by a deranged maniac to achieve your own agenda is a low and despicable thing to do.
Well done, truly shown your true colours there.


Anyway, back on topic....

[mtread]

Quote from the Sydney Morning Herald today
"Ultimately, [the gunman was] nurtured by a media that exploits the politics of hate and division. If the slaying of dozens of Muslims so close to home isn't a warning that Islamophobia and the rise of white supremacy must be taken seriously, then what is''

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