Nuther Computer Help post

[fazersharp]

Need some help with a graphics card driver install.
I have a driver already but I am trying to get the card to run from an older driver, the reason is that after 2009 nvidia seems to have removed the ability to save profiles as .nvp.
I have found an older driver for the card and saved on desktop then gone into device manager and "update driver" - browse and pointed to the place where I have put the driver I want but because its an older driver-- computer says
The best driver softwre for your device is already installed . Windows has determined the driver software for your device is up to date"
 
Is there a way around this without deleting the graphics card driver and then doing my install to the older one I have downloaded
Cheers

[HarryHornby]

Hi Mr Sharp,

Hang on, just read your post properly, ignore what I previously said..... try this



device manager
right click on graphics car - properties
Driver
Update driver
browse
let me pick
have disk
chose the driver you want


this might work.......

[darrsi]

Get devilsyam's cat to sort it out.  :evil

[Exupnut]

Lol Genius post!

[fazersharp]

Hi Mr Sharp,

Hang on, just read your post properly, ignore what I previously said..... try this



device manager
right click on graphics car - properties
Driver
Update driver
browse
let me pick
have disk
chose the driver you want


this might work.......

Thats what I am doing but because a driver is already there I get this
The best driver softwre for your device is already installed . Windows has determined the driver software for your device is up to date"
I am trying to install an older driver, I dont have the roll back function either as the current driver is the first one.
If I were to remove the current driver BUT not restart the pc would I then be able to install the other one as the pc should not detect a driver - or will that only happen on reboot.

[Frosties]

[quote author=HarryHornby link=topic=19319.msg223560#msg223560 date=1454747600]

Hi Mr Sharp,

Hang on, just read your post properly, ignore what I previously said..... try this



device manager
right click on graphics car - properties
Driver
Update driver
browse
let me pick
have disk
chose the driver you want


this might work.......

Thats what I am doing but because a driver is already there I get this
The best driver softwre for your device is already installed . Windows has determined the driver software for your device is up to date"
I am trying to install an older driver, I dont have the roll back function either as the current driver is the first one.
If I were to remove the current driver BUT not restart the pc would I then be able to install the other one as the pc should not detect a driver - or will that only happen on reboot.

[/quote]


Reckon that should work Sharpy - can't see why not. Surely it would only see the old driver when trying to load the new one. I'd try it, good luck  :thumbup

[fazersharp]

Creating a HD image back up now before trying it.
But also googling a way to bypass the MS "hand holding"

I will decide which is the best driver thank-you very much

[fazersharp]

Just found this http://rake.sh/blog/2011/09/23/how-to-ge...windows-7/
Sounds like what you were telling me HarryHornby.
I will give it a go once my backup has finished and I have made a restore piont.
Didnt use that option as its not on a disk its on my desktop in a folder.

Another question - I have the driver in that folder but what then because it will always have to live there and it wont be in the proper driver folder.
Do I then remove the original driver and copy and paste my new driver that sits on the desktop and put it in the drivers folder and then do another update driver but point to the one now in the driver folder and not the desktop one.
Also to prevent MS from downloading and installing back over my older driver I have selected "let me choose updates to install" - which is how I found out about win 10 force download (in my other post)

[fazersharp]

Well so far so good
I put the new(older) driver in a folder but I could not point to it as it was ziped? packaged up ? and therefore there was no .inf or somthing file to point to. So I gave up and just double clicked it and installed it - to be greeted with a frozen black (you foced it ) screen and a mesage saying graphics unresponsive so ctrl alt del gets me an option the restart the pc - few !
On restart hey presto I have my profiles option, but the slider settings do not do any thing, I was opening up the interface from the old icon, although it had the profiles save option nothing worked, untill I right clicked the desk top and accessed the graphics control panel from there which started with a first use welcome screen - and that was it that was the thing I was after so deleted the original control panel link and put the new (old one on the desk top ).

But when I look at the drivers they are all still the 2015 modified ones and not the 2016 that I have just put on and what seems to be being used, where is my just-installed drivers been put ?

Can I delete the folder on my desk top now.
I know so much but still so little.

[darrsi]

If there's a little arrow on the bottom right of the icon it means it's just a shortcut to an app, if you delete/remove then it will only go away from your desktop, if you really want rid then you need to go to add/remove programmes in the settings.


Or use devilyam's cat, he seems to know how to do things thoroughly......whilst asleep.  :thumbup

[Dead Eye]

I may have missed this in the thread but; try un-installing the device first (don't worry, Microsoft will use it's own generic driver to run the display), then install the new (older) driver.

Also, what is the file type of the driver? Is it an .ini / .inf or a .exe / .msi?


Also note that when a driver is installed, it is copied to a system folder (usually under C:/Windows) where it is made use of. Removing your desktop folder shouldn't cause any issue, though to be safe I would recommend renaming the folder first and doing a restart to ensure that the system loads correctly.

[fazersharp]

When I installed it then,and it went to the system folder as I had not first removed the original one I would of thought that it would have had a fit about it. But instead then I now have two drivers on the pc for the same device.
Just turned the other pc on to look as its not this pc 

[fazersharp]

I downloaded it from the nvidia webs site and and when given the option to RUN or SAVE i saved in in a folder on my desktop
Its called 190.38_quadro_win7__winvista_64bit_international_whql
And then tried to chose it from device manager but it wouldnt let me so I just double clicked the above file and installed it

Ah just found out vthat it was still set at "do not show known file types" so have just unabled that and now I see it ends in .exe
190.38_quadro_win7__winvista_64bit_international_whql.exe 

[Dead Eye]

Cool, yeah those files are self-executable and can't be installed by the "Choose your own driver" wizard thing

I'm surprised it wouldn't let you install the older driver on top of the new one, the nVidia software will usually let you and you can perform a "Clean Install" which will erase the current driver first. I have nVidia cards and have had to do some extensive testing before now involving removing and re-isntalling the drivers.

Looking at a historic file I have (v. 347.25 for GeForce), you need to select "Custom (Advanced)" on the Options screen to then be able to select "Clean Install" on the next. Though looking at the help text I'm not sure that is necessary. As you can see it is allowing me to overwrite the drivers despite the new version being older than the current version

[fazersharp]

The driver in question is a 2009 one and did not have any options other than run- install.
You may be able to help on this -
The reason for the very old driver install is because that one has the save profiles in the toolbar and newer ones dont
here is a pic you can see the drop down list to save load a profile. So I can use the sliders to alter colour and then save it as a .nvp profile in there. 

[Dead Eye]

I did a little digging and ultimately nVidia removed profile support from their GeForce drivers (I didn't check for Quadro which I believe is what you use) around December 2010 citing

I am sorry but with recent API changes, it was decided that this feature would not be ported over and so it was discontinued. There are no plans to bring this back at this time.

This feature wasn't a widely used feature since the profiles had to manually be loaded each time. We are exploring alternatives but in the meantime

The only way to make use of this feature is to either do what you have done (install an older driver version) or to find a 3rd party alternative. A recommendation was Ultramon but this isn't a free piece of software. I've actually used Ultramon several years ago and I remember it being pretty powerful and useful, but I have no experience with it these days as the features I used are now built-in to Windows (like have the taskbar and start menu on multiple displays)

[fazersharp]

Thank you dead eye for finding that out, I did look but couldn't find out.
My driver is july 2009 190.38.
Is there a bad reason for not using a newer driver, I dont do games only normal web browzing and lots of photoshop.
My oher issue is that as i want the profiles feature I can only use the 2009 driver and so that limits the card I can use in that I can only use cards that were around on or before 2009.
My carn I am getting in my refurb pc is a nvs 290 as I know that works with the 190.38 driver, I have asked them not to install the newest driver but to instead use the older one that I have pointed them to 

[Dead Eye]

Driver updates are for any number of reasons ranging from Security Patches, Feature Updates (Adding / Removing / Upgrading etc), Technology Support, Game Profiles (irrelevant for yourself), Performance Tweaks... etc, etc

Typically it's advisable to keep to the latest update, but there's nothing inherently wrong with using an older version. For your situation I wouldn't be overly worried about using an older driver, but you may eventually run in to a situation of needing an updated driver but that's only likely if you begin using some newer piece of software or something. If a program is unstable this could also be a sign of requiring a driver update

Bottom line; if it ain't broke, don't worry

[fazersharp]

Thats why I liked xp because it was no longer supported and so then meant they then stopped focing it up