hashtag bloody cyclist

[Lawrence]

Still hope next time he'll position himself so that other cyclists and bikers can filter as well.   


In my country filtering is illegal and many cagers will deliberately block you (while many others will make room and move). If you get hit while filtering it's your fault. Still, most bikers filter and it's normal to make room for others behind you to filter, if you see them coming. You don't have to, people usualy don't argue, but most bikers do move and make room.

I'll let people past if convenient to me, but I won't go out of my way to get out of their way, if you see what I mean

If I stop at the lights and they have to wait behind me then that's their problem.  If I got abuse I'd just sit there when it turned green and make him wait even longer

[hightower]

Another point of discussion then. Say you are at some traffic lights, with a red light camera and an ambulance needs to be through. And for the purposes of our discussion you have 2 options only - move through to let the ambulance through and get flashed, or wait for the lights to turn green. What do you do?

[Streetbudgie]

I go in the cycle boxes all the time usually kicking all the cyclists out of the way to get in there, oh hang on, there's never any cyclists in the cycle box because they've all jumped the red light!

[steeeve66]

nothing wrong with pedantry - priority, i stand corrected.

I wonder if he (the cyclist) didn't think motorcycles were allowed in to the cycle box and thought i was just being bloody minded?

just a thought - but i agree with Daz that few cyclists appear to know what the law is in relation to road use and that, perhaps, some sort of training ought to be mandatory?

[Streetbudgie]

And insurance and VED and a road riding license if they expect me to take them seriously.

[JZS 600]

I've seen coppers pulling over motorbikes who have been avaialing themselves to the bicycle lanes, just recently on London Wall so be warned,,,

On the other hand, if you're riding through London that time of the morning or home time it's bloody difficult to get into the cycle boxes as they're usually full of taxis or other prats who couldn't squeeze through the lights when they turned. Don't get me started about the bloody pedestrians...

[Motorbreath]

Cyclists...

Ciclista que se cae por un puente

[steeeve66]

I've seen coppers pulling over motorbikes who have been avaialing themselves to the bicycle lanes, just recently on London Wall so be warned

i've seen them do it too - mainly Westminster i think.

[Grahamm]

Another point of discussion then. Say you are at some traffic lights, with a red light camera and an ambulance needs to be through. And for the purposes of our discussion you have 2 options only - move through to let the ambulance through and get flashed, or wait for the lights to turn green. What do you do?

You wait.

You should only proceed across a red light if instructed to by a Police Officer in uniform (or in a car!). Other emergency services vehicles should turn off their sirens and wait until the lights change.

If you cross the red light (or enter a bus lane or cycle lane during its hours of operation) you can be fined.

http://bluelightaware.org.uk/

[Grahamm]

nothing wrong with pedantry - priority, i stand corrected.

I wonder if he (the cyclist) didn't think motorcycles were allowed in to the cycle box and thought i was just being bloody minded?

Erm, do you mean "did think motorcycles were allowed in the cycle box"?

i agree with Daz that few cyclists appear to know what the law is in relation to road use and that, perhaps, some sort of training ought to be mandatory?

Whilst I can see the point, the fact is that requiring cyclists to get training (let alone testing, licenses, registration or insurance) would put people off using bicycles.

And, of course, if cyclists do stupid things, in the vast majority of cases it's only themselves they're putting at risk.

[hightower]

[quote author=hightower link=topic=7944.msg77808#msg77808 date=1369308795]
Another point of discussion then. Say you are at some traffic lights, with a red light camera and an ambulance needs to be through. And for the purposes of our discussion you have 2 options only - move through to let the ambulance through and get flashed, or wait for the lights to turn green. What do you do?

You wait.

You should only proceed across a red light if instructed to by a Police Officer in uniform (or in a car!). Other emergency services vehicles should turn off their sirens and wait until the lights change.

If you cross the red light (or enter a bus lane or cycle lane during its hours of operation) you can be fined.

http://bluelightaware.org.uk/
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That was my thoughts, and that's what I told my wife last night. But when discussing it at work I was met with "you'd let someone die?" - my answer was "I didn't make the rules of the road, so, why should I pick up a fine and points because of that?"

[Punkstig]

Yes, they should turn their siren off, and normally do, personally I always pull forward and to one side providing space, regardless of what the law says I'll do my upmost best to help blue lights through- red light camera sensors don't detect bikes (in my numerous experiences anyway!) and if it was caught on CCTV and they sent me a letter through the post I would happily go to court even knowing that 'legally' I was wrong, do you really think you'd get charged for helping emergency services?
In the past I've even shot up the road when I've seen a choke point to stop a dump truck, giving an ambulance a clear run, but that's just my support riding coming through!

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

do you really think you'd get charged for helping emergency services?

Yes

[caretaker]

the only thing the OP did wrong was not putting his sidestand down, get off the bike and plant the cyclist.

[Tiberius Onklevaart]

Good wee link there grahamm

[taylor]

i had the same situation with a fire engine, i was in bath city centre at a set of traffic lights on red, with a fire engine behind me, lights and siren going if i had moved flash of camera bang points and fine, i felt a right knob, as for your cycle you cant move m8t,  :o

[Grahamm]

do you really think you'd get charged for helping emergency services?

Unfortunately, according to the letter of the law, yes, you would.

Having done some searching on this, sometimes fines are waived, other times they aren't. Also I've found this from TFL's website:

When can I enter a bus lane?

    During non operational times. The times of operation are indicated on the sign
    If you want to turn left within 20 metres of the junction - an arrow or a dotted white line will indicate if this is allowed
    If avoiding road works or emergency vehicles

So, at the moment, the law is, frankly, a complete mess...!

[taylor]

yes I would have got done, have spoken to a copper about it, :'(

[Skippernick]

i had the same situation with a fire engine, i was in bath city centre at a set of traffic lights on red, with a fire engine behind me, lights and siren going if i had moved flash of camera bang points and fine, i felt a right knob, as for your cycle you cant move m8t,  :o

ooo are you a fazer owner living in Bath?

[taylor]

no skippernick me in south wales, but used to do a run through the west country 3 times a week for ten year,s if my memory is right there is a fore street in trow,b, used to be a baxters butchers, nice place.