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Hagon Fork Springs
#1
has anyone fitted Hagon progressive fork springs to their Fazer was thinking once i get it up and running as a i a fat bloke will need to beef up the suspension, Hagon shock for the back looks a good shout the front is nothing special I know so would this make a difference? 
Also read that moving up a thicker oil can help as well?

Is it worth spending the money or save for something more radical like front end swap or new bike?

I like riding position and lots of other things about the Fazer but don't want to throw money at it either if no benefits


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#2
I replaced the OEM fork springs on my FZ6-S (2006) with progressives from Hyperpro (good brand, not too expensive) which give a much better feel as the originals were made soft for comfort, rather than handling.

AIUI, progressive springs are better for on-road use because they are designed to deal with both small bumps and big pot holes. You wouldn't find these on a track, so linear springs are a better option for consistency.

Thicker oil just increases the damping, meaning the front end would be slower to dive, but also slower to recover which doesn't necessarily improve the handling as it can be less smooth on bumpy road surfaces.

Having had a look at the FZS 600 fork construction, it's very similar (if not the same) as the FZ6 where there's just a simple spacer (parts 16 and 35 on here: https://www.bike-parts-yam.com/yamaha-mo...S600/24252 ) which gives a set amount of preload for the "average" rider, however that may not work for you if you're not an average weight.

Once I'd put the new Hyperpro springs in, I looked at videos online for how to work out the correct preload for me, then cut two pieces of PVC tube that would fit in the fork tube and bought some penny washers.

I measured the tube to a shorter length than the stock spacer, then kept adding penny washers to increase the preload (as I only weigh 63kg) and checked the free sag and rider sag until I got the correct amount for me.

Then I used a pipe cutter to shorten the spacers to the length I'd worked out and I was sorted.

NB unless you're doing a lot of Track Days or racing, IMO it's really not worth buying the preload/ compression adjusters that you use to replace the bolts on the top of the fork tubes that let you make mini-tweaks to the settings.

Hope this helps.

PS I swapped the rear shock for one from YSS which is also much better than the OEM one.
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#3
What bike and year are you referring to?
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(04-09-24, 08:30 PM)unfazed Wrote: What bike and year are you referring to?

Hi, its a battered and bruised 2001 Fazer 600. It has the pre load adjuster on the forks being the slightly revised model ie one with the black fuel gauge surround rather than bronze or gold.

Been off the road for a bit as various issues been worked through, having ridden my sons Chinese 125 it felt much tighter and composed compared to Fazer, but to be fair not used it much and I am big lump probably double the design weight.

Definitely no track use I don't think either me or the bike are up to that anymore haha, just road use general pottering about or try and keep up with my son and his pals on their various MTs and other exotica.

I just figured that if this far down the line might be wise to update the suspension as after 23 years it will be a bit tired I would have thought and this bike has not been well looked after in the last couple of years before I bought her I think, the coolant was stinking and jet black, been a long while since that was ever looked at if at all?  

Just conscious that at this age and condition its worth penny's and don't want to waste loads of money on it, but also hate to see a good bike be left to rot away.

What I don't want to do is ruin the bike changing its character too much, but acutely aware i am overloading tired suspension and that is never a good thing safety wise
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(05-09-24, 08:19 AM)returning rider Wrote:
(04-09-24, 08:30 PM)unfazed Wrote: What bike and year are you referring to?

Hi, its a battered and bruised 2001 Fazer 600. It has the pre load adjuster on the forks being the slightly revised model ie one with the black fuel gauge surround rather than bronze or gold.

Been off the road for a bit as various issues been worked through, having ridden my sons Chinese 125 it felt much tighter and composed compared to Fazer, but to be fair not used it much and I am big lump probably double the design weight.

Definitely no track use I don't think either me or the bike are up to that anymore haha, just road use general pottering about or try and keep up with my son and his pals on their various MTs and other exotica.

I just figured that if this far down the line might be wise to update the suspension as after 23 years it will be a bit tired I would have thought and this bike has not been well looked after in the last couple of years before I bought her I think, the coolant was stinking and jet black, been a long while since that was ever looked at if at all?  

Just conscious that at this age and condition its worth penny's and don't want to waste loads of money on it, but also hate to see a good bike be left to rot away.

What I don't want to do is ruin the bike changing its character too much, but acutely aware i am overloading tired suspension and that is never a good thing safety wise
The Hagon or Hypro progressive ones will improve the front end, I tried 15W oil but made the front to hard and went back to the standard 10W, but then I am only 87KG with gear on.
I also fitted a Hagon rear shock years ago with a 10% stiffer spring to standard, The other checks you need to do are head race bearings, the linkage bearing and seals and the Swinging arm bearings as they tend to be forgotten. Marksman bearing supply all bearing at a very reasonable price and very helpful. If engine is good and you happy with it £500 will be worth spending and will make a big improvement. My well used high miler 600 is still more than capable of staying with most modern  bikes.
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#6
Hi thanks for your reply yes that was my thinking that with a bit of love the bike will far exceed my very limited abilities!

The engine felt ok for the short time I used it pulled well I am under no illusion the carbs will probably need attention and balanced at some point as well.

Currently have it up on axle stands under the frame, fairing and headlight off and touching up the light corrosion that has been hidden by the plastics.

Head stock feels smooth and light when up in the air can't feel any movement so not worried about that at the moment.

I have not looked at swing arm or rear suspension linkage yet, but when on the centre stand can't feel any sideways movement of the swing arm I will have a proper look when I get to it.

I have been away from bikes for a long time now last bike was an old SV650s the mk1 carb version, great fun but uncomfortable for a big bloke like me, the Suzuki Rf400r I had before that looked like something out of the 80;s but solid and not as slow as the figures suggested, had the gsxr 400 motor in RF600R frame.

Been pottering about on the sons Lexmoto LXR SE125 until he passed his CBT, very under rated cheap bike good fun if utterly gutless but thats 125's
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