(11-08-24, 09:31 PM)fazersharp Wrote: All of those are all gonna help but in the event of a big "off" nothing is going to help. Which is why I went for my lower bars - not so obvious but still a great help if you get caught out and off balance and need to lay it down.

(13-08-24, 12:16 PM)Gnasher Wrote: Any single point stick out crush bung or only 2 point crash bar, will bend on impact at anything over 20mph, the higher the speed the more they bend.  I've seen new and perfectly good old bikes written off due to bent, ripped/torn frames, or smashed engine cases due to owners fitting the above.

If you want to go single point type you need a slider not a stick out crash bung, these are mainly for fully fired bikes.  For a non fully fired I would recommend a 3 point crash bar.  Unfortunately is would appear Renntec no longer make/stock their engine bars, there is others out there.  You may be able to get a set second hand.

(13-08-24, 12:11 PM)fazersharp Wrote: Too an extent yes, but you are still going to break indicators fairing mirrors foot pegs, scratch / damage tank.
But they protect the expensive bit - the engine. I got them after I "slowW dropped the bike whilst trying to walk manover into its old difficult to get to storage area which gave a deep gouge in the crank case. 
Since then I have dropped it at least a couple of times and they have saved the bike I think, One was well documented on here as there is a vid from a Fazer group ride out. I dithered on deciding weather to go through an open barrier which was about to close after a few others had gone through and it came down on me.
You can see the scratches on the bars but some of that is from them grounding out on particular - roundabouts really with an aggressive camber