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Removing Filler Cap Without Key - Andy Clap - 04-06-15
So, I bought a used fuel tank (FZS600) and it arrived with the filler cap fitted and no key (and with fuel in!!)
How do you open/remove the cap without a key? I'm cautious of drilling out the lock in case of sparks, am I being soft?
Cheers.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - celticdog - 04-06-15
Dude! I've never done this but I'd assume you just remove the whole filler cap unit by removing the seven cap screws located round the outer ring.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - Punkstig - 04-06-15
The screws to stop any old Tom from opening your cap are hidden underneath your currently locked cap!
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - chaz - 04-06-15
look on youtube theres ways to get past most locks?
or ask locksmith on here, but he may ask for payment as its his living?
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - riedrider - 04-06-15
Quote:Dude! I've never done this but I'd assume you just remove the whole filler cap unit by removing the seven cap screws located round the outer ring. [img alt=That will not work. This is from my TDM but Fazer is similar:
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The part marked with the red arrow will engage under the edge of the opening when the cap is locked.
And you can see the screws Punkstig mentioned.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - chaz - 04-06-15
https://youtu.be/FqhhXyROxQM
this is no use whatsoever but I can't stop watching it?
The only other ways are knocking a large flat bladed screwdriver in and trying to force it open with molegrips or the self taping screw and slide hammer to remove the lock barrel but I dont know if these methods still work or if the locks are stronger now?
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sinto607276 - 04-06-15
(04-06-15, 08:10 PM)Andy Clap link Wrote: So, I bought a used fuel tank (FZS600) and it arrived with the filler cap fitted and no key (and with fuel in!!)Can't believe someone sent you.
How do you open/remove the cap without a key? I'm cautious of drilling out the lock in case of sparks, am I being soft?
Cheers.
1) A locked filler cap
2) With fuel in it :eek
3) No key to open it
Can you contact the seller and ask him for key?
Edit....just thought that the seller might of taken the security screw out before he sent it, worth a try of removing the Alan bolts, only 3 needed to try it as other ones are for show
Is it possible the key is stuck under the tank or was in the packaging that hopefully you've not thrown out yet?
How much fuel is in it or it? you can drain the fuel out from there if needed.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sinto607276 - 04-06-15
Also, if you are going to drill, hammer it with a screwdriver etc
Read this first.
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,17125.0.html
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - Andy Clap - 04-06-15
Thanks for all of the advice. Before posting on here I'd tried removing the 5 perimeter screws but no luck, then checked the current tank and found the security screw.
I'm going to drill it. I do have two powder extinguishers!!
Will let you know how I get on....
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sinto607276 - 04-06-15
(04-06-15, 10:17 PM)Andy Clap link Wrote: I'm going to drill it. I do have two powder extinguishers!!
Will let you know how I get on....
topOh no :eek
Me thinks this may of been your last post
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - riedrider - 04-06-15
Is there a problem to drain the fuel and to fill the tank with water through the fuel tap before drilling?
Of course this will take some time but you would be on the safe side.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sinto607276 - 04-06-15
(04-06-15, 10:53 PM)riedrider link Wrote: Is there a problem to drain the fuel and to fill the tank with water through the fuel tap before drilling?:agree
Of course this will take some time but you would be on the safe side.
Good idea riedrider
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - locksmith - 05-06-15
It took long enough for someone to think of draining the fuel didn't it :lol though a tank full of fumes will blow more easily I'd have thought, still it would blow any dents out :lol
It would have to picked so no use to you there.
Being a wafer lock it will take a lot of drilling, you'll have to drill the whole plug out (all of the circular piece the key enters into) without going too deep and bang a screwdriver in there and try turning it!
I expect some savvy mechanic with more experience will come along shortly and tell us how to do it more efficiently!
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sadlonelygit - 05-06-15
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because the cap will be scrap anyway.
alternatively measure the depth of a handy friends cap, put some tape on a drill bit 1" higher and drill with impunity. the seal on the cap should prevent any spark/vapour interface.
tbh, if you get sparks when you drill you're doing it wrong!!
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sinto607276 - 05-06-15
(05-06-15, 09:48 AM)locksmith link Wrote: It took long enough for someone to think of draining the fuel didn't it :lol
I quoted it in reply #6, and that was only 1hr and 40mins from original post.....so not that long really
Reply #6 by sinto on 04 Jun, 2015 21:50
Quote
Quote from: Andy Clap on 04 Jun, 2015 20:10
So, I bought a used fuel tank (FZS600) and it arrived with the filler cap fitted and no key (and with fuel in!!)
How do you open/remove the cap without a key? I'm cautious of drilling out the lock in case of sparks, am I being soft?
Cheers.
Can't believe someone sent you.
1) A locked filler cap
2) With fuel in it :eek
3) No key to open it
Can you contact the seller and ask him for key?
Edit....just thought that the seller might of taken the security screw out before he sent it, worth a try of removing the Alan bolts, only 3 needed to try it as other ones are for show
Is it possible the key is stuck under the tank or was in the packaging that hopefully you've not thrown out yet?
How much fuel is in it or it? you can drain the fuel out from there if needed.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - Andy Clap - 05-06-15
All done. Don't know what I was worried about. Decent 4mm drill straight down the barrel, twist with a flat blade screwdriver, 20 seconds, easy. Can even re-shut it
Thanks for all the help/suggestions.
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - sinto607276 - 05-06-15
(05-06-15, 05:39 PM)Andy Clap link Wrote: All done. Don't know what I was worried about. Decent 4mm drill straight down the barrel, twist with a flat blade screwdriver, 20 seconds, easy. Can even re-shut it
Thanks for all the help/suggestions.
Excellent news, you'll be a happy man now, and we are that you didn't blow yourself up in the process :woot
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - Dead Eye - 05-06-15
If I'd have tried this, this would have been the result...
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - locksmith - 07-06-15
A 4mm drill and it opened ????
Are you sure it had the locking gubbins still in it and a screwdriver would have opened it anyway? :b
If you're that good, do you want a job? :lol
Re: Removing Filler Cap Without Key - Andy Clap - 08-06-15
(07-06-15, 04:51 PM)locksmith link Wrote: A 4mm drill and it opened ????I was surprised! Maybe a good graunch with the screwdriver would have done it without drilling anyway.
Are you sure it had the locking gubbins still in it and a screwdriver would have opened it anyway? :b
If you're that good, do you want a job? :lol