Quote:But it's all OK now, because 51% of the population say it's OK

Quote:It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.

Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.

Quote:Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,

Quote:You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)

Quote:The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.

OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.

Shameful episode.

(17-01-18, 11:07 PM)VNA link Wrote:

Quote:The treatment of Alan Turing for example was disgusting. That man made an almost incalculable contribution to saving this country in WW11 with decoding Enigma.

OK he avoided jail, but had to accept chemical treatment instead.

Shameful episode.

Indeed YamFazYam.

In order to avoid jail he had to agree to treatment.

The chemical treatment was chemical castration.

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I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.

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Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts.  I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves :lol ).
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Quote:[size=1em]It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.

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Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there.  People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts.  And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are.  And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no.  Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?

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Quote:[size=1em]Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,[/size]

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Why would anybody think that?  Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world.  Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal, or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.

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The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure.  But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god) still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.
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(17-01-18, 10:59 PM)VNA link Wrote: [size=1em]
  I really don’t know anything about Gender Fluid, nor am I particularly interested, but there is what I do know.

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Like a lot of folks I don’t really give a fuck about popular opinion, I’d rather think for myself, and of course listen to the facts, conclusions and opinions of the experts.  Facts, conclusions and opinions of experts[/size]That sounds to me you like listening to popular opinions

I also like to think I’m a human being and I try to be compassionate, understanding and as best I can not to judge others (always with the expection of the judgemental themselves). Your compassionate, understanding and do your best not to judge others, unless others opinions differ from yours.

Quote:It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have to go to jail anymore.

No judgement here from me, it just what happened when democracy changed the ruling, and not going to jail was the outcome, read that 67 Act.
Two males or females getting married in church it's OK. Vicars, Priests and others in the church hierarchy its OK, being gay its just a choice.[/quote] Do you think its OK then men in leadership in the churches being married to each other, I don't, I believe that people in authority have a responsibility to those that they are meant to be serving, but you seem to think its OK, now my opinion is different to yours yet again but Hey Ho! you are entitled to your opinion, but it would appear that I am not, according to the rule of Mr fucking VNA

Homosexuality may have been legalised in England and Wales in 1967, but there are still plenty ignorant and judgemental people out there.  People who ignore the facts, conclusions and opinions of experts. For a man who does not give a fuck about popular opinions and likes to think for himself, you certainly keep going back to those that do hold those opinions as a reference point. And, of course, there has always been gay people.
Being Gay is not a choice, if you are gay it’s what you are.  Are these facts? Or just according to you Oh! fucking wise one.
Are you saying we have no choice in any of the things that we do or become? did the twat who mowed people down with car have no choice? was he just doomed to be a murder, was it in his genes? if he had no choice then is there no guilt? 
And frankly if two grown men want to get it on, or if they love each other and want to commit to each other, then who are we, or anybody to say no.  Why should people be discriminated against because of what they are?

I have not discriminated against anyone here, but, I'm afraid people are discriminated because of what they are in every walk of life. I am not saying it is right or proper but it certainly is that way.
Now that's a fact.

Quote:Please don't think I have a down on the gay community,

Below is the whole quote and not just a part of it.

Please don't think I have a down on the gay community, but also don't tell me its normal and the way it was designed, if we all go that direction the human race is focced, it's just that 51% are OK with it, not that 51% are gay it's just that we can not be seen to be prejudiced in any way.   

Why would anybody think that?  Surely not because you’ve just judge every gay man in the world.  Surely not simply because in your ignorant opinion they are not normal.It would seem to me that you believe that a homosexual act is normal then, again that your opinion. If you used a more accurate choice of words and wrote as I did and wrote ‘its not normal’ rather than ‘They are not normal’ you have accused me of saying something about the person, when as you can clearly see I was saying something about the act. or because you are pissed off the majority of people are now more open minded today and no longer think it’s right to lock them up, punish them, torture or discriminate against them just because of who they are.
I have read through my previous post, I see no where that I have been an advocate of, again your words not mine,  locking them up, punish them, torture them and discriminated against them, I did say and I quote ‘don’t tell me that its normal and the way it was designed, I still don’t believe it is the way we were designed and anyone with a modicum of sense would have to agree, we are creative people who have children together and continue the species.       

Anyway, I think you might be the same stupid cunt that tried to tell us all recently that there really is no need for care homes for the elderly.
Again VNA you paraphrase to suit your case. I am surprised you used the word cunt and not arsehole. 

Quote:You wait until 51% of the population say that it is right and proper to terminate the elderly and infirm in the name of compassion (We all know it is all about finances)

The vast majority of the population wish to have the right to be able, if possible, to choose, if need be, their time of departure. Who the fuck told you that, most people don’t even want to think about dying let alone plan it in advance, as you seem to indicate. Life is precious and people generally want to live as long as possible, sure there are a minority that advocate euthanasia for themselves, but most are advocates for it to be used on others. But you know what, people who believe in make believe (god)< (Sounds a bit discriminatory VNA surely not, not from you?)still have immense influence on our government and legislation, meaning millions of people are forced to endure long, lingering deaths against their will.

Honestly you believe there are millions of people who would wish to die when they choose?The population of the United Kingdom is 66.5 million souls, now VNA says there are millions who would choose to die when they want to, using VNA’s words I am assuming millions is more than one million, so I will go for two million people who would make this choice, 2% of 66.5 million people is 1.33 million, and that’s how many VNA seems to think would choose to die in this country if they were allowed. And he called me a cnut   

I can see that you don't give a fuck about popular opinion VNA, because popular opinion is what the majority think, and it was that opinion that lead to the Decriminalisation Act of 67 and you seem in your ignorant way to read into everything that I have said the way your shallow mind sees fit.Read through my post again and highlight where I have said that gay people are wrong or should be punished, tortured, imprisoned, discriminated against.
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(17-01-18, 11:07 PM)VNA link Wrote: Indeed YamFazYam.

(18-01-18, 12:43 PM)mtread link Wrote: People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.

(18-01-18, 02:33 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.

(18-01-18, 12:43 PM)mtread link Wrote: People who are gender fluid are not gay, they were born in the wrong body. Their genitals indicate one sex, while their mind may indicate another. It really really is none of our business.

(18-01-18, 02:33 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: Let me guess....was it because they had already outlawed the Witch Finder General about 400 years previously and suddenly realised this law belonged back in medieval times also?.

Quote:It was the same with the gay community 51% of the population said it's OK so you don't have

Quote:As a young man at the time of the 67 Act, with a keen interest in politics and economics at the time, I can tell you that it wasn't popular opinion that led to the Act.to go to jail anymore.

Quote:Do you think its OK then men in leadership in the churches being married to each other, I don't, I believe that people in authority have a responsibility to those that they are meant to be serving, but you seem to think its OK, now my opinion is different to yours yet again but Hey Ho! you are entitled to your opinion, but it would appear that I am not, according to the rule of Mr fucking VNA

Quote:Are you saying we have no choice in any of the things that we do or become?

Quote:the most loving and sensitive of these dear folk were the people who had Down Syndrome.

Quote:Who the fuck told you that, most people don’t even want to think about dying let alone plan it in advance, as you seem to indicate. Life is precious and people generally want to live as long as possible, sure there are a minority that advocate euthanasia for themselves, but most are advocates for it to be used on others.

Quote:Typo??

(18-01-18, 09:13 PM)VNA link Wrote:

Quote:Typo??

Sorry  :o

Quote:I’m a bit at a loss that Tommy seems to think the UK is run by referendum, and not as it had been for quite some time a representative democracy.  Representative democracies still have to take note of public opinion but do not necessarily have to abide by popular public opinion.  And representative democracy is far far better then relying on referendums to make policy decisions.