Author Topic: chain rivet (Read 2453 times)

His Dudeness · « **on:** 29 June 2013, 09:02:27 pm »

I stuck a new did chain and sprocket set on the bike and I'm just wondering if there's a spec on the dimensions that the riveted link should be after it has been riveted? I had a look on the did site and I couldn't see anything but maybe I missed it. It's the outer diameter of the head of the riveted pins and the inside diameter of the indents in the pins that I'd be interested in. Anyone know if there's a spec?

Lawrence · « **Reply #1 on:** 29 June 2013, 09:24:37 pm »

Can't really help with specs, but I just did mine so that the knobby bit on the riveter fit inside the rivet and couldn't push it out any more, if you see what I mean. Been on there 11k now.

His Dudeness · « **Reply #2 on:** 29 June 2013, 09:49:40 pm »

Cheers Lawrence I see what you mean. It would be good to put some numbers on it as well.

keno · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 June 2013, 12:20:58 pm »

Soft link head on mine when i done it 2 years ago is 5.7mm dont spread it to much or it will split

His Dudeness · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 June 2013, 02:11:27 pm »

Thanks for checking. Mine are around 5.5mm. Probably +- 0.1mm. I should have measured the pin diameter and the hole diameter of the face plate before I riveted the link but like they say it's easy to be wise after the event. I might get another master link just for the sake of finding out.

elbrownos · « **Reply #5 on:** 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm »

What's the consensus on clip type master links?

darrsi · « **Reply #6 on:** 30 June 2013, 03:27:22 pm »

Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm

What's the consensus on clip type master links?

A big no no.....you have a bike that can do 140mph, why would you create a weak link?

stevierst · « **Reply #7 on:** 30 June 2013, 04:28:21 pm »

Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm

What's the consensus on clip type master links?

I wouldn't use one, but I know of people who have used them for years on sports bikes with no problems.
Can't see the point of them tbh when you can rivet your own on with 2 ball pein hammers in a matter of seconds!

His Dudeness · « **Reply #8 on:** 30 June 2013, 05:19:59 pm »

I think the clips are only recommended on bikes up to 250cc

keno · « **Reply #9 on:** 30 June 2013, 09:57:54 pm »

Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm

What's the consensus on clip type master links?

snapped chain and you stranded or worse.

Lawrence · « **Reply #10 on:** 01 July 2013, 10:23:46 am »

Quote from: keno on 30 June 2013, 09:57:54 pm

Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm
What's the consensus on clip type master links?

snapped chain and you stranded or worse.

I'd imagine it'd do a hell of a lot of damage if it let go at speed. Has anyone here had a chain fail?

Dead Eye · « **Reply #11 on:** 01 July 2013, 12:41:24 pm »

Only on a push bike... and that whipped round and hit my leg - not overly painful, just bloody annoying. Stood up to put in some power up a steep hill and *snap*

stevierst · « **Reply #12 on:** 01 July 2013, 12:53:16 pm »

Nope, it takes a hell of a lot to make a bike chain let go. It would have to be really knackered to do that.
Heard plenty of 'tales of woe' about it though. :

Thorn · « **Reply #13 on:** 01 July 2013, 01:01:08 pm »

Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm

What's the consensus on clip type master links?

Perfectly fine as long as you install the clip the correct way around. Split links were commonly used in the 80s on 1000cc machines putting out 130+bhp with no issue, then the mid 90s came along and it was absolute taboo for some reason! Everyone's heard a story about it, but I've never met anybody that's experienced a splt-link failure on a large machine.

But it's rather irrelevent anyway, because most chains tend to come with a rivet link these days

Tibbs · « **Reply #14 on:** 01 July 2013, 01:50:28 pm »

The split link on my bike fell off. I hadn't noticed and it was replaced with a riveted version at service.

darrsi · « **Reply #15 on:** 01 July 2013, 03:28:30 pm »

Quote from: Thorn on 01 July 2013, 01:01:08 pm

Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm
What's the consensus on clip type master links?

Perfectly fine as long as you install the clip the correct way around. Split links were commonly used in the 80s on 1000cc machines putting out 130+bhp with no issue, then the mid 90s came along and it was absolute taboo for some reason! Everyone's heard a story about it, but I've never met anybody that's experienced a splt-link failure on a large machine.

But it's rather irrelevent anyway, because most chains tend to come with a rivet link these days

In the 80's a bike test was ride up and down a road on your bike and you passed, probably with a fag in your gob at the same time!

My brother passed his bike test on the day of his 17th birthday in 1980, and because he left school at 14 and went to work with my dad he'd saved up enough money to buy a Honda CBX1000 that was waiting at home for him!!
And at 18yrs old he part ex'ed it for a Kawasaki Z1300

Those were the days.......

Andy FZS · « **Reply #16 on:** 01 July 2013, 09:38:54 pm »

Ah yes I remember them well. ..

Hedgetrimmer · « **Reply #17 on:** 01 July 2013, 09:53:43 pm »

Quote from: Lawrence on 01 July 2013, 10:23:46 am

Quote from: keno on 30 June 2013, 09:57:54 pm
Quote from: elbrownos on 30 June 2013, 02:40:19 pm
What's the consensus on clip type master links?

snapped chain and you stranded or worse.
I'd imagine it'd do a hell of a lot of damage if it let go at speed. Has anyone here had a chain fail?

Had one go on my Kwak Turbo. Accelerating out of a motorway service station, saw another bike go past who gave me a nod, thought it'd be nice to ride with a bit of company for a while. So I accelerated hard to catch up. Just as I got to about 90 in the fast lane, revs suddenly dropped and lost all drive. WTF?!! So clutch in, pulled over to hard shoulder, and just as I came to a stop, all the oil went whumpf! all over the road! Chain had caught on a badly welded part of an a/market guard I'd recently fitted. It flew forwards, smashed the air filter casing (which was outboard of the front sprocket on these), smashed the gearshift cover. And all those little bits of metal promptly got sucked straight through to the turbo unit, chipping all the vanes! Lovely

Of course, another situation that could've been much worse. At 90, it doesn't bear thinking about what may have been if the chain had wrapped itself round the rear wheel...

Actually, not sure if that was rivet or split link.

darrsi · « **Reply #18 on:** 01 July 2013, 11:29:03 pm »

The fact remains, a split link has more scope for disaster than a riveted link!

Hedgetrimmer · « **Reply #19 on:** 01 July 2013, 11:35:47 pm »

I think I'd be inclined to agree with that.

Lawrence · « **Reply #20 on:** 01 July 2013, 11:51:09 pm »

Quote from: darrsi on 01 July 2013, 11:29:03 pm

The fact remains, a split link has more scope for disaster than a riveted link!

Yep, it's the sort of thing that I wouldn't want to be removable once fitted. When it comes to taking it off a grinder does the job.