How do I make my 600 fazer faster?????

[Hedgetrimmer]

So, just to recap what we've learned here today:
If you want to go faster, ride a red bike (silver if it's a thou), whilst breathing in nitrous oxide and rapidly eating apple crumble and custard. Now why didn't I think of that? 
I hope this has all been of help to the op?

[unfazed]

Fit a FZS1000 engine

Then put a blower on it and some nitrous. Then, if you wind up in hospital cos it was all too much you can have a laugh with the nitrous still 

[Hedgetrimmer]

A higher lift but equal duration cam gives engines more low end torque, as a rule it's the duration and overlap that give an engine more top end power.

I can't get my head around why this should be. Can you give a fairly simple explanation for a very simple person? 
Or do I need a degree in Physics/engineering?

[stevierst]

Its all about valve opening timing. The more overlap you get, the more air/fuel you get in, and the bigger the bang (but only when the air speed onto/out of the cylinder reaches a higher velocity) hence higher revs.
 Less overlap, but wider valve opening is making use of the slower air velocity at lower revs, producing more torque. Its a fine line, but its one that works. simplisticly complicated springs to mind!

[reillypadraig]

Simply put high lift cams just leave the intake valve open for slightly longer on each stroke to take in slightly more fuel air mix, which in turn gives more grunt but like already said its a fine line,

Afaik this can be put to better use and get better results on a fuel injected engine that can be mapped but that's neither here nor there

[Hedgetrimmer]

Valves open for longer = longer duration, not high lift? Although I imagine lobes would be profiled for a bit of both.

[mr self destruct]

A higher lift but equal duration cam gives engines more low end torque, as a rule it's the duration and overlap that give an engine more top end power.

I can't get my head around why this should be. Can you give a fairly simple explanation for a very simple person? 
Or do I need a degree in Physics/engineering?

This:

Its all about valve opening timing. The more overlap you get, the more air/fuel you get in, and the bigger the bang (but only when the air speed onto/out of the cylinder reaches a higher velocity) hence higher revs. Less overlap, but wider valve opening is making use of the slower air velocity at lower revs, producing more torque. Its a fine line, but its one that works. simplisticly complicated springs to mind!

At higher revs, the flow of burnt gas (which is a fluid and has mass & momentum like anything else) out of the exhaust port helps drag the fuel/air mixture in the intake port.

This is also true at lower revs, but the help it gives the incoming gas is fish piss in the sea. To get round this, a high lift, short duration cam allows more mixture in in the same amount of time as a standard cam. Obviously then the valves have to lift faster due to the steep ramp on the cam lobe, and this causes a problem at higher revs as mentioned earlier in the thread.

Simply put high lift cams just leave the intake valve open for slightly longer on each stroke to take in slightly more fuel air mix, which in turn gives more grunt but like already said its a fine line,

Afaik this can be put to better use and get better results on a fuel injected engine that can be mapped but that's neither here nor there

Not quite. A high lift cam opens the valve by a greater amount for the same duration, a higher duration cam opens the valve for more time. Its getting the right combination of the two for vehicle's purpose that's the trick. 

[mr self destruct]

Valves open for longer = longer duration, not high lift? Although I imagine lobes would be profiled for a bit of both.

They are. Most standard road going engines are a compromise between torque, power and fuel economy.
If you want to go offroading for example, you'll need an engine cammed for low end torque with high lift and short duration, and a full-on drag race engine will need a high lift, long duration cam that simply will not tick over at anything less than 2k rpm! 

[stevierst]

In other words for more power as a road bike, get a bigger engine! :

'conventional' tuning for the road just ain't worth the effort (and massive ammount of cash).
Now then, this turbo charging malarkey..............

[unfazed]

That waht I said, fit a FZS1000 engine 

[fazersharp]

Hi All,
I think the above says it all. My bike is 100% standard and I was looking for some good ideas.
Ta Danny

Ok as no one yet has said it I will
On the right hand side of your handle bars the rubber grip turns - you need to sort of twist it torwards the ground and it makes you go faster, and if that is not enough speed for you then eat less pies.
Hope that helps

[paulchucky]

my 600 seems quick enough ?? it stays with most bigger bikes  accelerates quicker than most bigger bikes as you can get the power down
 its quicker and more flickable than bigger stuff too in the twisty`s
ok so it tops out around 140-145mph  so what theres not many places to ride these speeds and it not much fun
the funs to be had in the twistys  and riding around power rangers on there super dooper    rc08`s - gsxr1000` -  fireplaces - arse 1`s - etc etc  on a £1500 quid commuter bike really puts a grin in my chin 


Paul

[fazersharp]

and riding around power rangers on there super dooper    rc08`s - gsxr1000` -  fireplaces - arse 1`s

Those boys seem to think they are very cleaver going very fast in a straight line.

[Hedgetrimmer]

my 600 seems quick enough ?? it stays with most bigger bikes  accelerates quicker than most bigger bikes as you can get the power down
 its quicker and more flickable than bigger stuff too in the twisty`s
ok so it tops out around 140-145mph  so what theres not many places to ride these speeds and it not much fun
the funs to be had in the twistys  and riding around power rangers on there super dooper    rc08`s - gsxr1000` -  fireplaces - arse 1`s - etc etc  on a £1500 quid commuter bike really puts a grin in my chin 


Paul

I agree, how often do you actually get to use the top speed anyway? But give me big dollops of mid range where I can actually have some fun with it 
It'd be nice to have the handling of a lighter bike like the 600, but I grew up with big bikes and also kinda like to have to get a bit physical with them to get them around the corners. Of course if I could afford both...

[JoeRock]

my 600 seems quick enough ?? it stays with most bigger bikes  accelerates quicker than most bigger bikes as you can get the power down
 its quicker and more flickable than bigger stuff too in the twisty`s
ok so it tops out around 140-145mph  so what theres not many places to ride these speeds and it not much fun
the funs to be had in the twistys  and riding around power rangers on there super dooper    rc08`s - gsxr1000` -  fireplaces - arse 1`s - etc etc  on a £1500 quid commuter bike really puts a grin in my chin 


Paul

Not gonna dey the fun to be had riding around power rangers, but any decent rider on a proper sports bike would completely oblierate a similar rider on an FZS, it's just the nature of the bikes! Even the 1000s weigh considerably less than the 600 Fazer does!

[Exupnut]

Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others 

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.

So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou? 

oh dear another[size=78%] foccer who dos`nt know the rules.....i have explained this more than once[/size] [/size][size=78%],if you have a 600 then RED is the fastest colour .....the rules change with the 1000 due to the extra capacity...silver being the fastest for the thou.......as for all you yellow foccers....you have the slowest bikes as yellow is the colour of custard and i have never seen a serving of apple crumble and custard at speed..........simples [/size]

AHEM...........RED BIKES ONLY DO 98 MPH.

[marksfazer]

Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others 

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.

So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou? 

oh dear another[size=78%] foccer who dos`nt know the rules.....i have explained this more than once[/size] [size=78%],if you have a 600 then RED is the fastest colour .....the rules change with the 1000 due to the extra capacity...silver being the fastest for the thou.......as for all you yellow foccers....you have the slowest bikes as yellow is the colour of custard and i have never seen a serving of apple crumble and custard at speed..........simples [/size]

AHEM...........RED BIKES ONLY DO 98 MPH.

In 1st 

[fazersharp]

but any decent rider on a proper sports bike would completely oblierate a similar rider on an FZS,

I can fully agree with that statement, but maybe that is the point " decent rider" many just seem to have the bike and brand new full suit but not the skills to ride it other than in a straight line

[Hedgetrimmer]

Buy a red one, they are always faster than the others 

ohhhhhhhhhhh...at last.......the first sensible answer.

So are you saying you bought a slow gen 1 thou? 

oh dear another[size=78%] foccer who dos`nt know the rules.....i have explained this more than once[/size] [size=78%],if you have a 600 then RED is the fastest colour .....the rules change with the 1000 due to the extra capacity...silver being the fastest for the thou.......as for all you yellow foccers....you have the slowest bikes as yellow is the colour of custard and i have never seen a serving of apple crumble and custard at speed..........simples [/size]

AHEM...........RED BIKES ONLY DO 98 MPH.

In 1st 

As I have stated elsewhere, the real truth is that colour don't mean s**t. You wanna go fast, you gotta have speed blocks! 

[Exupnut]

Ur only sayin that cos u got a slow yellow one that farts

[Hedgetrimmer]

Yellow, farting ones with speedblocks and decrepit, smashed up, dumb-ass riders like me on board, are obviously much faster than squirrel power, especially when the squirrel is deceased. In fact, hard to imagine what wouldn't be...
 
(have you tried a red squirrel? - they might be a bit quicker...).

[paulchucky]

sex is an amazing feeling and really makes your brain buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
but screwing the arse outta your ride all day long makes you 
even when you park it in the garage  you giggle to yourself !!

[ChristoT]

Yellow, farting ones with speedblocks and decrepit, smashed up, dumb-ass riders like me on board, are obviously much faster than squirrel power, especially when the squirrel is deceased. In fact, hard to imagine what wouldn't be...
 
(have you tried a red squirrel? - they might be a bit quicker...).

Game, set and match to Mr Crisp!! 

[Kentish]

Hi All,
I think the above says it all. My bike is 100% standard and I was looking for some good ideas.
Ta Danny

Sell it and by a sports bike. That's the only way. Fazers run better IMO bog standard. They are fast enough for most normal people.

[Lumpy]

There's always the nitrous option.

Reminds me of photo seen on here recently...


and that was a standard motor

the fzs600 is an awesome machine and far better to tweak the chassis and get trained than try to tweak the engine. The best way to a faster bije is to get a bigger one but point to point it may not be quicker. I go big bike baiting on mine and it is superb fun. If I want to go really fast I use the blackbird. Nothing you can economically do to the 600 will replace capacity and power.

learn to ride what you have.