Author Topic: Brake pads question (Read 3289 times)

CharlieDee · « **on:** 12 March 2013, 09:03:14 pm »

Good evening Foccors,

Im after some new pads for the front... been looking at goldfrens and ebc double h's... what do you people use? what experiences have you had?

Charlie

Gnasher · « **Reply #1 on:** 12 March 2013, 09:11:34 pm »

SBS no contest!

darrsi · « **Reply #2 on:** 12 March 2013, 09:24:22 pm »

Quote from: Gnasher on 12 March 2013, 09:11:34 pm

SBS no contest!

@Gnasher i 've bought SBS ceramic to try on the new rear disc when i fit it, but which would you recommend for the front?

andybesy · « **Reply #3 on:** 12 March 2013, 09:34:52 pm »

One lesson I've learnt, I understand ceramic eat your disks compared to organic, so just bear that in mind, probably more of an issue on the front than the rear. I'm on a budget and pads cheaper than disks, so switching previous owners ceramic to organic

darrsi · « **Reply #4 on:** 12 March 2013, 09:48:15 pm »

Quote from: andybesy on 12 March 2013, 09:34:52 pm

One lesson I've learnt, I understand ceramic eat your disks compared to organic, so just bear that in mind, probably more of an issue on the front than the rear. I'm on a budget and pads cheaper than disks, so switching previous owners ceramic to organic

Are you sure? I looked into this because my sintered pads have destroyed my new rear disc, but i was over using them due to a front brake issue.
I thought ceramic pads work at a lower temperature?
The disc i bought is half a mm thicker than normal, so i don't mind trying them out anyway.

Gnasher · « **Reply #5 on:** 12 March 2013, 09:55:56 pm »

HS front LS rear.

Unlike a lot of non OE pads SBS wont eat discs they are in my opinion the best out there at present.

andybesy · « **Reply #6 on:** 12 March 2013, 09:57:33 pm »

No I'm not sure, I'm very much the amature collating info from various sources, but that was the impression I had developed and the reason by which I've rationalized my mechanic's advice I off new discs, given service history shows previous owner went ceramic, I don't mind being corrected if wrong

darrsi · « **Reply #7 on:** 12 March 2013, 10:31:06 pm »

Quote from: andybesy on 12 March 2013, 09:57:33 pm

No I'm not sure, I'm very much the amature collating info from various sources, but that was the impression I had developed and the reason by which I've rationalized my mechanic's advice I off new discs, given service history shows previous owner went ceramic, I don't mind being corrected if wrong

Organic are undoubtedly the softest but also the dustiest which is why i prefer not to use them.

Cheers for that Gnasher, i've bought the ceramic one's now so i'll try them out, but i'll give the HS a try when i need to change the front next time.

Found this in case anyone wants a look: https://www.bctmotorcycles.co.uk/sbs/index.jsp

CharlieDee · « **Reply #8 on:** 13 March 2013, 10:29:10 am »

So back to the original question guys.... EBC/Goldfren?? or is SBS the best way to get value and performance?

darrsi · « **Reply #9 on:** 13 March 2013, 10:37:43 am »

If you look under Gnashers name i'd say he's probably the most qualified person to answer your question on here, so yeah, go for SBS.

Look on the link i left on my last post, get the serial number for the Street Excel HS & LS and then do a search on Ebay and you'll get them even cheaper!

JZS 600 · « **Reply #10 on:** 13 March 2013, 12:11:54 pm »

I'm using Ferodo organics on the front and they work well wet and dry and seem to grip and feel better that the EBC sintered pads that were in last.

I mostly commute, don't do trackdays (unless you count the Biker Down Brands Hatch day in April

), don't use the bakes that much in general and they are fine.

Gnasher · « **Reply #11 on:** 13 March 2013, 12:42:17 pm »

Quote from: JZS 600 on 13 March 2013, 12:11:54 pm

I'm using Ferodo organics on the front and they work well wet and dry and seem to grip and feel better that the EBC sintered pads that were in last.

I mostly commute, don't do trackdays (unless you count the Biker Down Brands Hatch day in April ), don't use the bakes that much in general and they are fine.

I use to swear by EBC, but some years back they changed their manufacturing location and started gaving a very wooden feel, high wear rates to the discs and less service life. OE was then the best option if a little pricey, SBS then expanded their range within the UK I've not used anything else since regardless of the bike whether in road, track day or full race applications SBS have a pad that fits the bill.

But don't go thinking a race pad will work better on the road it WONT stick to the correct grade of road pads for road riding, stay away from true race pads, they will be expensive, less cold/wet performance and wear faster. SBS do make a intermediate pad the RS but I wouldn't recommend you use these on your daily commute they are pretty flat until hot, wear faster and have less wet weather performance not what you want when dozy cage driver pulls out on you up the end of your street!

andybesy · « **Reply #12 on:** 13 March 2013, 05:32:33 pm »

Thanks for the advice, I bought some SBS 634HS pads for the front.

Are any of the bolts involved in changing the pads prone to snapping or being otherwise troublesome?

Gnasher · « **Reply #13 on:** 13 March 2013, 05:46:12 pm »

To just change the pads there are no bolts involved, just pins R clips and a shim. The pins can seize and the clips/shims can break it all depends how your bike has been maintained. I would recommend you thoroughly clean the calipers before fitting the new pads to do that there are bolts that need undoing, as with most things brakes unless you know exactly what you doing don't touch them. Yes people will tell you it's easy......... of course it is if you know what your doing most.............DONT! When and if you do remove/change your pads look at the old pads first if there not worn evenly and square you have other issues that need sorting.

CharlieDee · « **Reply #14 on:** 13 March 2013, 08:50:27 pm »

Gnasher I have gone with your choice... a pairs of SBS HS's ordered!! looking forward to trying them out!!

Do you need to give them a similar bedding in period as you would with organic pads?

fazed600 · « **Reply #15 on:** 13 March 2013, 09:26:36 pm »

Another thumbs up for SBS Street Excel sintered here. Run them on the GSXR on the road in pretty much all weather, (normally) stick to the cage below 2 degrees though. They came well recommended from a GSXR forum, seem really good from road use through to track days.
Never heard a bad comment from anyone who has used them.

Gnasher · « **Reply #16 on:** 13 March 2013, 10:13:02 pm »

Quote from: CharlieDee on 13 March 2013, 08:50:27 pm

Gnasher I have gone with your choice... a pairs of SBS HS's ordered!! looking forward to trying them out!! Do you need to give them a similar bedding in period as you would with organic pads?

Yes ride and brake little slower than normal in an town with lots of braking for a couple miles after that start to progressively increase speed and braking force for another couple after that fill you boots.

CharlieDee · « **Reply #17 on:** 14 March 2013, 08:29:49 pm »

Quote from: Gnasher on 13 March 2013, 10:13:02 pm

Quote from: CharlieDee on 13 March 2013, 08:50:27 pm
Gnasher I have gone with your choice... a pairs of SBS HS's ordered!! looking forward to trying them out!! Do you need to give them a similar bedding in period as you would with organic pads?

Yes ride and brake little slower than normal in an town with lots of braking for a couple miles after that start to progressively increase speed and braking force for another couple after that fill you boots.

Cheers for that mate!!

Gnasher · « **Reply #18 on:** 14 March 2013, 08:40:56 pm »

Just make sure you do a lot of low speed breaking and I'm aussming your discs are in spec too and not damaged.

CharlieDee · « **Reply #19 on:** 14 March 2013, 10:01:41 pm »

Quote from: Gnasher on 14 March 2013, 08:40:56 pm

Just make sure you do a lot of low speed breaking and I'm aussming your discs are in spec too and not damaged.

I will indeed mate, the discs are like new!!