Oil & Oil Filter change.

[xlewisbdx]

Right so I want to change my oil on the bike, I have everything I need. Oil, Filter and Crush washer.

What I want to know is how much oil do I use, what mm the drain bolt it and how I take off the filter without the proper tool.


Any advice welcome.

[darrsi]

The messiest way i can think of is whacking a screwdriver through the filter then using it as a wrench.


As for oil, it's a 2.5 litre sump, or around 2.7 litres with a filter change, but you need to start the engine for 30 odd seconds, switch off, then check the window for the correct level and then top up if needed.
You want it between the upper and lower markings of the window.
Keep starting the engine, switch off, then check again.
Don't overfill it.

[Lazarus]

try unscrewing the oil filter by hand - if they have been put on not overtightly, then they might just come off with some gentle brute force

[darrsi]

That's why i now buy the K&N oil filter, 'cos it's got a nut head on it and can be undone with a socket or spanner!

[xlewisbdx]

That's why i now buy the K&N oil filter, 'cos it's got a nut head on it and can be undone with a socket or spanner!

Can you re use it like the air filter if so how do you clean it?

[wezdavo]

That's why i now buy the K&N oil filter, 'cos it's got a nut head on it and can be undone with a socket or spanner!

Can you re use it like the air filter if so how do you clean it?

No, if its comming off, you replace it..

[Fordy]

i used a garendening glove to get a grip on it.

[DryRob]

I use a strap wrench to get mine off (fnarr fnarr) but you can get a socket adapter for the job. When you put the new one on wipe a bit of fresh oil on the seal and put it on hand tight, there's a haynes manual in the downloads section should cover this with pictures.

[Fazerider]

I use an old wood chisel, though a sharpened screwdriver would work just as well.
Rather than punching it through the filter place it at the rim of the filter and tap it gently with a hammer a few times in the unscrewing direction.

[bozboz]

I use an old wood chisel, though a sharpened screwdriver would work just as well.
Rather than punching it through the filter place it at the rim of the filter and tap it gently with a hammer a few times in the unscrewing direction.

Second that if you dont have a rubber grip/filter wrench. If you whack the screwdriver thru you end getting oil everywhere! Dont forget to go for a ride before draining your oil gto help it flow easier (but watch your fingers on the hot engine/exhaust).

[Dead Eye]

+1

I've used the screwdriver method on cars and the bike, but its incredibly messy I now have an oil wrench which im yet to test, so hopefully all shall go well next time :P The largest problem is usually having enough space to use the darned wrench in the first place

[Buzz]

The largest problem is usually having enough space to use the darned wrench in the first place

Yep, I got one of these from Ebay, makes the job so much easier but you'll need an externder so you can reach the nut through the pipes.

[born to be mild]

Once youve cracked the sump plug open a turn or two put something under the drain hole for when you get the plug out to drain the old oil into the drain pan, just a cut up old coke bottle will do or anything to hand, otherwise the old oil comes out of the side , hits the frame and then goes wherever it wants to before dripping onto your garage floor. Mind your fingers, the old oil is hot !. Oh and dont overtighten the sump plug. Good luck with it, its a simple enough job but i always get a feeling of satisfaction from doing an oil change, maybe I need to get out more.

[darrsi]

I did say the screwdriver method would be messy!! But then he did say he hasn't got the proper tools for the job. Personally i'd have popped out and bought a chain wrench by now, you can't beat simple but proper tools for the job in hand, it makes life so much easier!
@Lewis the oil filter is just made by K&N, it's only a normal replacement, apart from the added extra of the nut on the end which is extremely useful.

[xlewisbdx]

I did say the screwdriver method would be messy!! But then he did say he hasn't got the proper tools for the job. Personally i'd have popped out and bought a chain wrench by now, you can't beat simple but proper tools for the job in hand, it makes life so much easier!
@Lewis the oil filter is just made by K&N, it's only a normal replacement, apart from the added extra of the nut on the end which is extremely useful.

My friend has all the tools so I am going to go his and change the oil and he is going to watch me to make sure I do everything OK. He does his own work on his bike.

[xlewisbdx]

Does anyone know what size the drain bolt is and what size socket I would need?

[comicsans]

i think its a 17 lewis.

[Dead Eye]

+1

Definitely 17 as I did this yesterday

[xlewisbdx]

Thank you very much both of you. Could I use a spanner at all?

[darrsi]

I personally use a ring spanner, it's a bit easier to use with the bike on the side stand (drains the oil easier on the side stand).
Undo the bolt first, making sure the oil is directed into a bowl correctly, then undo the oil filler cap to let the air pass through.
Then tighten the bolt back up firmly but not overtight.
 
Then put the bike on the centre stand on a flat surface before refilling with oil.

[xlewisbdx]

I personally use a ring spanner, it's a bit easier to use with the bike on the side stand (drains the oil easier on the side stand).
Undo the bolt first, making sure the oil is directed into a bowl correctly, then undo the oil filler cap to let the air pass through.
Then tighten the bolt back up firmly but not overtight.

Cheers boss, will do. I've just bough a set of spanners and it has a 17mm ring one on so I am good to go there


Just to get this right, it is around 2.7 litres when I fill it back up. I will be draining the oil and changing the filter.

[darrsi]

From empty, as you are changing the filter as well, you're safe to put in 2.5 litres straight off.
Then, start the engine for 20-30 seconds so it coats the engine, switch off, and then watch the window, the oil will slowly rise up.
If it's not enough add a bit at a time, then start engine again, switch off, then watch the window again.
Repeat this process until the oil level is in between the metal markers at the side of the window.
Make sure the bike's on a level flat surface on the centre stand though otherwise you'll get a false reading. 
 
If you're thinking of changing the oil around the 4000 mile mark, you only need to replace the filter every 2 changes, it's not necessary every time.

[xlewisbdx]

From empty, as you are changing the filter as well, you're safe to put in 2.5 litres straight off.
Then, start the engine for 20-30 seconds so it coats the engine, switch off, and then watch the window, the oil will slowly rise up.
If it's not enough add a bit at a time, then start engine again, switch off, then watch the window again.
Repeat this process until the oil level is in between the metal markers at the side of the window.
Make sure the bike's on a level flat surface on the centre stand though otherwise you'll get a false reading. 

I love you....

[Lazarus]

according to manual :

Oil quantity:Total amount:3.5 L
Periodic oil change:2.5 L
With oil filter replacement:2.7 L

[darrsi]

From empty, as you are changing the filter as well, you're safe to put in 2.5 litres straight off.
Then, start the engine for 20-30 seconds so it coats the engine, switch off, and then watch the window, the oil will slowly rise up.
If it's not enough add a bit at a time, then start engine again, switch off, then watch the window again.
Repeat this process until the oil level is in between the metal markers at the side of the window.
Make sure the bike's on a level flat surface on the centre stand though otherwise you'll get a false reading. 

I love you....

Now, now, control yourself, you have a bike to look after.......