Author Topic: BT023 Vs PR3 (Read 23159 times)

dickturpin · « **Reply #25 on:** 07 September 2012, 07:01:23 pm »

Quote from: Falcon 269 on 02 September 2012, 05:56:25 am

The PR2 has been the best I've fitted on the Thou. Nearly 7000 miles out of a pair and consistent grip/steering right to the end.

Maybe not the ultimate in wet weather grip (if you believe the marketing hype about the latest generation of tyres) but available cheaper now.

Hope your right Mike...just had a pair fitted yesterday after seeing 7k miles out of my Avon Storm Ultra 2s but just fancied a change! Still got the compulsory 4'' wide chicken strips until I get a few miles on them. I have to say I had no problems with the Avons as some others have had.

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fireblake · « **Reply #26 on:** 07 September 2012, 07:56:31 pm »

My only annoyance with these big milages are squaring off, I'm now going around a few roundabouts to try and keep them rounded. The problem with all the motorway usage I suppose?

Pat · « **Reply #27 on:** 07 September 2012, 09:08:59 pm »

I've had a set of PR3s on my gen1 for over 6,000 miles now & they still have loads of tread left, I reckon they'll easily be good for over 10,000 which amazes me considering how grippy they are particularly in the wet, I've never gotten much more than 6k out ot a set of bike tyres before.

pitternator · « **Reply #28 on:** 10 September 2012, 08:28:47 am »

how do you get 10k out of a rear ??...FFs, I am chuffed if I get 5 !

dont think a PR3 would last me 10 k for sure....

Pat · « **Reply #29 on:** 10 September 2012, 10:28:59 am »

Quote from: pitternator on 10 September 2012, 08:28:47 am

how do you get 10k out of a rear ??...FFs, I am chuffed if I get 5 !

dont think a PR3 would last me 10 k for sure....

Fecked if I know!

That's what amazes me about the PR3, these have done over 6k & normally I'd have replaced at least the rear by now but somehow there's still plenty of life left in them. It's not just me either, I know of other people getting similar big mileages & like yourself was sceptical about the claims until I tried them myself.

To be honest even if I only got 4k from them I'd probably still buy another set as the grip particularly in the wet is so good. It amuses me when people say they won't buy them 'cos they cost a few quid more when the fact that they last so long means they're probably one of the cheapest tyre options out there.

SEPTIKANGEL · « **Reply #30 on:** 10 September 2012, 05:28:06 pm »

Quote from: honmonster2000 on 03 September 2012, 09:44:06 pm

I have just had a set of BT020's approx two weeks old. I did a track day on them and they were great.Gave me lots of grip and Gave me lots of Confidence and I felt very safe on them. ,, A new set of tyres whatever make feel good after the old ones start to square off.

Where'd you get them from? NEW? What's the manufacture date on the sidewalls, 'cos must admit, I swear by the 020's, but they're old stock aren't they? May try 23's soon, but am looking at buying another 020 rear 'cos front's still okay.

bigsteve · « **Reply #31 on:** 10 September 2012, 07:44:56 pm »

Hi just checked Bridgestone web site ( http://www.bridgestonebikersclub.co.uk/index.php )

and by the look of it they still offer bt020's new

I will check tomorrow while at work

SEPTIKANGEL · « **Reply #32 on:** 10 September 2012, 09:53:05 pm »

Thanks Bigsteve, I've sent a message to 'GARY' their resident expert and have asked about availability - the 020 may still be sold in places but according to the Bridgestone website, they're not on the recommended list for the Fazer1000!!??!! I'll let you know when I get the reply.

pitternator · « **Reply #33 on:** 11 September 2012, 07:53:35 am »

Its alaff aint it !...just how many fazer owners have had 020 s on their bikes...maybe hundreds of thousands of biking miles, without incident.

FFS dont listen to them !...I can heartily endorse the 023, have been using them for last 2 yrs on my fazer , my third set now.Outstanding edge grip, have ground out even the crash bobbins it leans so far.

I will look to try PR3s, but if they dont last significantly longer than 5 k , they are not worth another £40 extra a pair ( which is what my tyre dealers are quoting). TBH all tyres have gone up this year, but Michelins have always been dearer in my locale.I do take yer point about the economic evaluation...but I also factor in how I use my tyres, and I just have never had any grippy tyre last over 5k.Must be my throttle happy hand !

Grandma · « **Reply #34 on:** 11 September 2012, 02:21:02 pm »

http://www.visordown.com/features/michelin-pilot-road-3-1800-mile-tyre-review/18694.html

Will this help from the professionals?
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http://www.ridermagazine.com/gear/pirelli-angel-st-motorcycle-tires-review.htm

JZS 600 · « **Reply #35 on:** 11 September 2012, 03:58:47 pm »

Just had a 023 fitted on the front,, will let you know how that goes..

Still got the 21 on the back for another few weeks

bigsteve · « **Reply #36 on:** 11 September 2012, 08:34:48 pm »

did some checking BT020's are still available due to being OEM tyres for certain models of motorcycles but not showing for fzs 1000
but sizes for Gen1 are available but there are different suffix's to each model there made for
eg Kawasaki zzr1200 is BT020 AA !!!!!!

Falcon 269 · « **Reply #37 on:** 11 September 2012, 09:18:19 pm »

If memory serves me right, the BT-020 fitment for the Fazer was not the same as the 'standard' BT-020 offered for general sale. Something to do with the stiffness of the carcass. Can't recall the nomenclature but suffice to say that tyres have moved on a good way since then. Now't wrong with the original 020 (infinitely better than the MEZ4 the Fazer first came fitted with) but why would you want to fit a 10-year old design of tyre?

FWIW, I have a pair of BT-023 in the garage right now ready to fit to an FJR1300. Compared with the new PR2s awaiting fitting to my Fazer, the Bridgestones are a helluva lot stiffer in the carcass construction than the Michelins. Interesting to compare the two types side by side in this way.

bigsteve · « **Reply #38 on:** 11 September 2012, 09:37:42 pm »

If the BT023's you've got are BT023GT's they are stiffer carcass by design for heavier bikes

dazza · « **Reply #39 on:** 11 September 2012, 09:44:21 pm »

Do they look like this

ghostbiker · « **Reply #40 on:** 11 September 2012, 11:05:27 pm »

Quote from: bigsteve on 11 September 2012, 09:37:42 pm

If the BT023's you've got are BT023GT's they are stiffer carcass by design for heavier bikes

Yeah and I put one on by mistake, it has less feel than the normal 023 it replaced (rear) and took a lot longer to heat up. Once warm it griped as well as the non gt 023 just less give. Allways felt over inflated even when I tried at 10 psi under for a while.
The 023 normals are very good. I now have pr3s on and they to are very good. Both heat up fast, grip well wet or dry. (might give the 023 the edge in wet for feel) now just waiting to see how they wear.

Also have a track day on 19th that will give it a good seeing to LOL.
Both are excellent tyres just avoid the GT 023.

Falcon 269 · « **Reply #41 on:** 12 September 2012, 06:23:23 am »

Quote from: bigsteve on 11 September 2012, 09:37:42 pm

If the BT023's you've got are BT023GT's they are stiffer carcass by design for heavier bikes

Just went and checked - yes, you're right. GTs. I hope the bloody things go on easily enough.

pitternator · « **Reply #42 on:** 12 September 2012, 07:57:32 am »

Grandma
Ref visordown test of PR3...after 1800 miles of hard use they reckon the tyre is " half worn"...so they aint gonna get 10k out of theirs!
Its like I say, its how you use your bike. If like me ,I do like to use all 139 of my ponies...no tyre will last beyond 5k miles. As such its not realistic to claim all riders will get anywhere near 10k out of a rear.

Falcon 269 · « **Reply #43 on:** 12 September 2012, 05:51:17 pm »

Quite a fight with the BT-023 GTs today. Bastidges!

Phil TK · « **Reply #44 on:** 12 September 2012, 07:29:09 pm »

Quote from: Falcon 269 on 12 September 2012, 05:51:17 pm

Quite a fight with the BT-023 GTs today. Bastidges!

Are they tougher than removing a Dunlop TT100? I used to hacksaw those things off in my youth, no joke.

pitternator · « **Reply #45 on:** 16 September 2012, 09:25:01 am »

visions do rush through my mind of " earnest bodger" ........

its on a par with skewering the oil filter with a screwdriver...brutal ...but has to be done sometimes... $:\$

JayB · « **Reply #46 on:** 17 September 2012, 05:37:06 pm »

CURVEBALL / HIJACK;

But has anyone tried the Metzeler Z8s yet?

hotmetal · « **Reply #47 on:** 22 September 2012, 06:55:45 pm »

I've had 020s, 021s and 023s on my Thous, and Conti Road Attacks. Currently got Pilot Road 3s.
020s were a million times better than the OEM Metzeler MEZ4s (not difficult - worlds worst tyre)/ I took them round Snetterton and bobbled them up nicely.
021s were grippier than the 020s but didn't last as long
023s were somehow a mix of the two, warmed up fairly quickly, nice neutral profile, OK in wet. Lasted maybe 8000 (rear)

Only had the MPR3s for a couple of thousand miles, but they are really nice. Neutral and confidence inspiring, look hardly worn after about 2000 miles, warm up in about 500 yards or something, and are really good in the wet (which does matter to me). They do look a bit odd with their wet weather tread pattern, seems to attract comments - some love the look some hate it. So long as they do the job I don't care! I would say they're my favourite tyre yet, but then I don't push them as hard as, say, Pitternator.

I'm not a knee-down demon, more of a commuter/tourer/backroads Sunday blaster, but as someone said, the tyres we commute on nowadays are better than what Barry Sheene and Eddie Lawson raced on back in the day, so you pays yer money and takes yer choice.

BTW Mike, I think the BT020 suffix/nomenclature was 'U' IIRC.

ghostbiker · « **Reply #48 on:** 23 September 2012, 07:54:11 am »

well the PR3's were fantastic on the brands hatch GP track day. bobbled up nicely and the only time i had ANY trouble from them was when going in to westfield i had a blowout and ended up in the gravel trap lol.
but the tyre had not let go, the valve stem had snapped off.

as a side note if you have those tyre preasure checker valve caps throw the fuckers away NOW before they kill you.

Oh and PS i kept it upright in the gravel even with a flat tyre

but i dont think my pants will ever come clean again.

Looney tune · « **Reply #49 on:** 07 July 2013, 10:41:56 pm »

Just been doing the search thing on tyres as my PR3's are fecked. Rear has squared a bit and the front during my last few outings has worn quicker on the right hand side and it's 'rough' looking, this is after 3000 miles and I am noooooo Valentino. Even when the tyres were in good shape I never felt that happy with the front, it felt that it was stepping out when pushing through a corner.
I am fitting 023's on Tuesday which I was lucky to get at a good price from a fellow foccer (new). What are peoples opinions now on these 2 makes of tyres now ?

Cheers, Russ