Author Topic: oH bugger II (Read 8984 times)

MadDogMcQ · « **on:** 14 August 2012, 08:42:18 am »

I got a letter with a link to a photo of me doing 51 in a 40. Grrrr after all these years of being holier than thou, I guess I'm in for a bit of payback.

Rusty · « **Reply #1 on:** 14 August 2012, 09:17:07 am »

Thought that new gold bling would have dazzled the camera?

You might get offered a speed awareness course for that, they offered me one for 36 in a 30 but I elected to take the points instead. Then, less than a week later I got done again - Doh!

Lawrence · « **Reply #2 on:** 14 August 2012, 09:25:00 am »

Quote from: Rusty on 14 August 2012, 09:17:07 am

they offered me one for 36 in a 30 but I elected to take the points instead.

Why did you take the points? For the extra £35 (£90 something a few years back) it costs I chose to do the course to keep a clean licence. That was for 27 mph

Rusty · « **Reply #3 on:** 14 August 2012, 09:42:49 am »

Quote from: Lawrence on 14 August 2012, 09:25:00 am

Quote from: Rusty on 14 August 2012, 09:17:07 am
they offered me one for 36 in a 30 but I elected to take the points instead.
Why did you take the points? For the extra £35 (£90 something a few years back) it costs I chose to do the course to keep a clean licence. That was for 27 mph

To be honest I envisaged sitting in a room being patronised and shown photo's of crashes caused 'by speeding'. All done by blokes making an easy living from such courses. And the first time anyone involved asked a "And who knows why that is?" type question they'd have to restrain me with a tranquilliser gun.

MadDogMcQ · « **Reply #4 on:** 14 August 2012, 10:33:52 am »

I wasn't offered a course. And I wouldn't have gone on it anyway - pretty much for the same reasons as Rusty.

phil on a fazer · « **Reply #5 on:** 14 August 2012, 05:54:57 pm »

Quote from: Rusty on 14 August 2012, 09:42:49 am

Quote from: Lawrence on 14 August 2012, 09:25:00 am
Quote from: Rusty on 14 August 2012, 09:17:07 am
they offered me one for 36 in a 30 but I elected to take the points instead.
Why did you take the points? For the extra £35 (£90 something a few years back) it costs I chose to do the course to keep a clean licence. That was for 27 mph

To be honest I envisaged sitting in a room being patronised and shown photo's of crashes caused 'by speeding'. All done by blokes making an easy living from such courses. And the first time anyone involved asked a "And who knows why that is?" type question they'd have to restrain me with a tranquilliser gun.

when i got caught i was going to take the points for the same reason as you listed, then i had a change of heart and did the course. Even though it was a waste of time it weren't no where near as bad as i thought.

I then got caught doing the same speed on the same road a few months later

bozboz · « **Reply #6 on:** 15 August 2012, 10:29:14 am »

How did you get caught? Camera van?

MadDogMcQ · « **Reply #7 on:** 15 August 2012, 01:14:22 pm »

Not a bloody clue Boz! Sneaky gits were hiding in a bush I reckon.

I certainly didn't see them and I received no warning flashes from oncoming traffic.

eddie · « **Reply #8 on:** 15 August 2012, 03:11:41 pm »

obviously a mistake as the cross hair is on the rear sprocket which was revolving at over 40 mph

ddtwelve · « **Reply #9 on:** 15 August 2012, 03:14:16 pm »

mine was hidden too never saw him and no pic of me smiling too

Fazerider · « **Reply #10 on:** 15 August 2012, 07:06:06 pm »

If that figure under your speed is the range he nabbed you at then I'm not surprised you didn't spot the bugger.

MadDogMcQ · « **Reply #11 on:** 15 August 2012, 07:51:04 pm »

Just identified what got me.... LTI 20-20

dazza · « **Reply #12 on:** 15 August 2012, 08:15:06 pm »

Interesting, got to be worth contesting the accuracy of this.

richfzs · « **Reply #13 on:** 15 August 2012, 08:47:50 pm »

That was my feeling dazza - in the link Tom posted to, it says the laser lust reflect back from a flat surface, and as bbrown says, the cross hairs are on the rear sprocket...

rustyrider · « **Reply #14 on:** 15 August 2012, 10:05:14 pm »

LTI 20-20 with the crosshairs on anything other than the number plate WILL be inaccurate. How inaccurate is a different matter.......

richfzs · « **Reply #15 on:** 15 August 2012, 10:14:30 pm »

What, you mean he may actaully have been doing 60?

cable tie · « **Reply #16 on:** 15 August 2012, 10:56:06 pm »

You only get offered speed awareness course if you was within there requirements they allow +3mph for speedo being inaccurate and they allow +6mph to be eligible for the course giving amax of 9mph over the limited of 30 or 40 set speed limits anything over the above 39 in 30 and 49 in 40 and it's just the points option.

I also did a course to save the points and a increase on my insurance, yeah it was a long day but as the highway code changes regular the course brings you up to date with this, and when the fella asked what the speed limit is in a transit size van on a dual carriage way out of 21 peeps I was the only one to know as i already had dealings with the old bill on this one, however I still kept my gob shut I'm a follower not a leader ! So as much as it was boring in some respect and a long day I walked out with some additional info and being up to date with the high way code so deffo worth doing, One thing to note you cannot do another speed awareness course within 3 years after doing one.

Fazerider · « **Reply #17 on:** 16 August 2012, 12:19:21 am »

Quote from: dazza on 15 August 2012, 08:15:06 pm

Interesting, got to be worth contesting the accuracy of this.

That was my first thought too, but the beam at that range is going to be 32" in diameter... that'll cover about two thirds of the numberplate despite the poor aim. The plate is retroreflective so the return signal from that will swamp anything from the top run of the chain which might have been argued had given an excess reading.
Anyone know where you can get an infrared absorbent film to stick over numberplates?

Lazarus · « **Reply #18 on:** 16 August 2012, 08:18:18 am »

strange....

I was stopped last August (going "a tad" over the legal limit)

The only choice I got was to the pay the fine - was not offered the speed awareness course. Are they only offered in certain areas?

(80 in a 60 Motorway)

Lawrence · « **Reply #19 on:** 16 August 2012, 10:23:22 am »

Quote from: Lazarus on 16 August 2012, 08:18:18 am

Are they only offered in certain areas?

I believe so, yes. Mine was in London... Tower Bridge to be exact. Same place as at least 5 other people (out of 20 ish) in the course.

JZS 600 · « **Reply #20 on:** 16 August 2012, 01:15:34 pm »

I got done once (aye right, "once" was it!) doing XXX in the 30 by a radar gun speed trap with the copper hiding in a bush by the side ot the road (thought that they had to stand in plain sight,,,,)

Anyhoo, it was on an industrial estate, I was overtaking 2 cars at the time (you could see half a mile down the road and there were no side turnings at that point) and accelerating. I was hidden from the speed trap by the 2 cars and only saw it form the corner of my eye as I was getting past the second car.

When the notice came through it informed me that I was caught doing a constant 70 for 2 seconds by the radar gun. Bollocks I thought, but what can you do against the "word" of two of Kents finest.

Later on, I was told by a police motorcyclist, lets call him Lester in this case, that if the cops thought they had you speeding bang to rights, but could not get an accurate reading on off the radar gun, if you hit a tuning fork and hold it in front of the gun for a couple of seconds, you get......

Wait for it..........

70Mph register on the gun.

Not that I'm suggesting for a moment................................

Rusty · « **Reply #21 on:** 16 August 2012, 01:22:35 pm »

Quote from: JZS 600 on 16 August 2012, 01:15:34 pm

Later on, I was told by a police motorcyclist, lets call him Lester in this case, that if the cops thought they had you speeding bang to rights, but could not get an accurate reading on off the radar gun, if you hit a tuning fork and hold it in front of the gun for a couple of seconds, you get......

Wait for it..........

70Mph register on the gun.

Not that I'm suggesting for a moment................................

Perish the thought indeed. Just as they wouldn't use Tazer's indiscriminately either.

pitternator · « **Reply #22 on:** 17 August 2012, 07:15:57 am »

yes but you were speeding ...so why do you feel the police are being sneaky , when you were actually speeding? ....miffed at getting caught ?....... We all speed...just some get caught , while others dont.So whats special about them ?
Personally I think there is a big luck factor , and choosing where and when you do speed is very important .I aint being smug when I say , I do the latter...and ( touch wood) aint had a speeding ticket for over 10 yrs. But nobody would call my riding slow ! I still feel if as a rider you have done further training like the IAM it does just give that bit extra restraint , that little bit of caution , which maybe just means you dont pile it on or speed indiscrimately.I think you can spot roads where its more likely to be policed, and roads which are not ...plus the essential forward obs, the restraint , it really can just make the diffrence.On fast roads / motorways I like to not be the fastest vehicle, just overtake perceptibly , try not to stand out , by actions and road positioning.Covert riding wherever possible !

MadDogMcQ · « **Reply #23 on:** 17 August 2012, 08:45:11 am »

Sounds good to me Pitternator. I am really annoyed at myself for this one because I always prattle on to everyone "30 in a 30, 40 in a 40". I know that those two speed limits are enforced more than any other on normal roads. I pay particular attention in 30 zones. In all other speed zones, I get a lick on and invariably end up going as fast as I (sensibly) can, bearing in mind risks to myself and others.

If I get caught speeding, I fully appreciate that it's my fault alone. Having said that, it does wind me up when Police claim that speeding KILLS, and then they hide in bushes and horseboxes, etc, covertly gathering evidence of speeders but allowing them to continue to drive at a speed that they reckon could kill someone!!

Police speed checks should be visible. They should deter, remind and educate. I know everyone claims it, but it's true (for me at least) that those flashing warning signs which indicate your speed (especially in a built up area) definately work for me. Now that's something that I don't think is wasted tax payers money!

Tom

Rusty · « **Reply #24 on:** 17 August 2012, 02:38:00 pm »

The Police claim they only catch you speeding for road safety, but then the Police claim all sorts of things that aren't necessarily true. Often they even contradict themselves and thus expose the bullshit they are spouting.

For example, it 's generally accepted that prevention is better than a cure. A visible Police presence deters speeders, a hidden camera doesn't. (But it generates revenue) The other day I passed a camera in a van and on the side it said Police safety Camera or some-such twaddle If safety is the main aim (and not revenue collection) as stated on the van, and prevention is better than cure I felt it my public duty to flash all oncoming vehicles to make them slow down - thus preventing potential speeders having an accident.

You'd think the Police would be happy with that wouldn't you? And if we followed the Police's logic and we all did the same then the roads would be much safer place wouldn't they? Funny how it's an offence to do so then isn't it? But of course offences - even 'safety' minded ones all generate revenue!