Oil filters

[Dudeofrude]

Are the branded ones any different? I've always used hiflo on my previous bikes but the fz has a genuine yamaha one on it.
I've had a look and they are double the price of the hi flo, I can't think of a reason why one could be considered more 'premium' than another?

[darrsi]

Not that you would notice.


All i will say is that i've tried the K&N one's before with the added nut for "ease of removal" then found that the nut has a plastic coating over it than didn't fit any socket i tried on it.
I recently bought a heavier duty chain wrench which is about 5 links wide so i'll never have that issue again no matter what i put on it now.


Think i went back to a Hi-Flo oil filter if i remember correctly last time.


As long as the oil is changed within the correct intervals then you won't have any issues. And i've started changing the filter every oil change now, rather than every 2 changes, but that's my personal preference. I also change the oil every 4000 miles rather than the advised 6000 miles but because i don't do a lot of miles that suits me just fine.

[slappy]

I have used HiFlo for years on various bikes, no problems with them.

[Grahamm]

Are the branded ones any different?

Only in price as you've already noticed! For day to day riding, you'll never know the difference.

[Dudeofrude]

Thanks guys that was I thought.
I tend to change the oil at the end of the winter and end of the summer just purely out of habit and peace of mind knowing it's keeping things clean. I do a lot of very short trips especially during the winter so for the sake of a few quid it keeps the engine im better condition.
I usually do the filter every oil change just because I get it free with the oil. £30 for 4 litres of silkolene and a hiflo filter, can't go wrong with that 😊😊

[CaptainCazador]

[quote author=darrsi I recently bought a heavier duty chain wrench which is about 5 links wide so i'll never have that issue again no matter what i put on it now.
I have never required anything other than my hand to remove oil filters the ones I have fitted at least.


There's no need to wound an oil filter on like your life depends on it.

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi I recently bought a heavier duty chain wrench which is about 5 links wide so i'll never have that issue again no matter what i put on it now.
I have never required anything other than my hand to remove oil filters the ones I have fitted at least.


There's no need to wound an oil filter on like your life depends on it.

It's for removing it, not putting it on.

[CaptainCazador]

[quote author=darrsi I recently bought a heavier duty chain wrench which is about 5 links wide so i'll never have that issue again no matter what i put on it now.
I have never required anything other than my hand to remove oil filters the ones I have fitted at least.


There's no need to wound an oil filter on like your life depends on it.

It's for removing it, not putting it on.

Really?

[darrsi]

[quote author=darrsi I recently bought a heavier duty chain wrench which is about 5 links wide so i'll never have that issue again no matter what i put on it now.
I have never required anything other than my hand to remove oil filters the ones I have fitted at least.


There's no need to wound an oil filter on like your life depends on it.

It's for removing it, not putting it on.

Really?

No, I'm just making it all up. 

[CaptainCazador]

You missed my point little man. There's no need to put an oil filter on so tight you require tools to remove it next time round.


All the filters I have ever fitted come off again the same way they went on which is with my right hand.

[lew600fazer]

I recently did an oil and filter change on my MT09 using a genuine Yamaha filter and Motul 10/50 semi synthetic (4ltr) container
I did the oil change early at  4500 miles, fecked if I am doing that again. It can run the Yamaha service advice distance now.
Oil + Filter + sump washer. €73.60. I asked the shop were they taking the piss. French do not understand taking the piss, what do you mean  Monsieur?? I did point out I was doing this job myself so take off the labour charge , feck it forget.

[darrsi]

You missed my point little man. There's no need to put an oil filter on so tight you require tools to remove it next time round.


All the filters I have ever fitted come off again the same way they went on which is with my right hand.

Good for you, i'll sleep better tonight knowing that.
Maybe you just have a particularly strong right hand, i can't imagine why.......

[slappy]

You missed my point little man. There's no need to put an oil filter on so tight you require tools to remove it next time round.


All the filters I have ever fitted come off again the same way they went on which is with my right hand.

Nevef been able to undo any oil filter on any vehicle without some sort of wrench, thats what they are for. Next time I change it on my FZ1s you can come round and show me how you get your hand inbetwen the downpipes and grip the filter.

[Skippernick]

You missed my point little man. There's no need to put an oil filter on so tight you require tools to remove it next time round.


All the filters I have ever fitted come off again the same way they went on which is with my right hand.

Have to say you're very lucky I've always needed a wench of some sort, the expansion and contraction of different metals and thickness's alone would mean it would get tighter, or fall off.

[Dudeofrude]

Do none of you just stick a screwdriver through it and twist? That's how I've always done it?

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Yup, that's how I used to do it.
Then I bought a very low milage 3 year old car that had never had a service.
Stuck a screwdriver through the oil filter and it started to open up like a sardine can. 
A lot of mucking about, and a day later I had the filter off.  That was the last time I ever stuck a screwdriver though an oil filter.

[unfazed]

I recently did an oil and filter change on my MT09 using a genuine Yamaha filter and Motul 10/50 semi synthetic (4ltr) container
I did the oil change early at  4500 miles, fecked if I am doing that again. It can run the Yamaha service advice distance now.
Oil + Filter + sump washer. €73.60. I asked the shop were they taking the piss. French do not understand taking the piss, what do you mean  Monsieur?? I did point out I was doing this job myself so take off the labour charge , feck it forget.

Are you sure it was a washer and not a gold ring you bought. 

Even in our over priced little country it would only have cost €55 for that lot.

[lew600fazer]

Yeah I know nothing is cheap in France apart from wine, bread & cheese.

[fazersharp]

I only ever put it on by hand (with crap access ) but can never get it off by hand. Isnt that why the tools are called oil filter removal tools

[fazerscotty]

I only ever put it on by hand (with crap access ) but can never get it off by hand. Isnt that why the tools are called oil filter removal tools

You maybe onto something there...............

[unfazed]

Sounds very like a hand job to me 😃

[fireblake]

Yeah I know nothing is cheap in France apart from wine, bread & cheese.

With a Gallic shrug some would say that is all you need in life.


Mickey

[Gnasher]

Are the branded ones any different? I've always used hiflo on my previous bikes but the fz has a genuine yamaha one on it.
I've had a look and they are double the price of the hi flo, I can't think of a reason why one could be considered more 'premium' than another?

Hiflo are TUV approved and will perform to the same standard as OE, but they're of a lesser quality i.e. the paint is thinner and the steel is lower grade, therefore they rust much quicker, they can also be pigs to get off at times.  I don't know where or how much you've been quoted for a OE filter but they're £9.50 inc vat, Hiflo vary widely from £6 to £11, personally I go OE with Silkolene Comp 4.     

[fireblake]

I've just changed my oil and filter again and used a K&N. I don't know why i keep bothering. As said before, the little nut on the front is a waste of space and should be a 16mm or something but because of paint is slightly bigger but less than a 17. I'll hunt through my old Dad's Whitworth sockets for a size.


Mickey

[Arfa]

I've stopped using the K&N oil filters now. I've heard of a few cases where they fail and leak. The bit with the nut attached fails and they leak everywhere. Happened to a mate on his Speed Triple whilst zooming round the alps! Was super lucky to both not lose it on the trail of leaking oil or seize up his engine... Some reckon they fail if you try to tighten them with the nut (which you should do anyway), but my mate certainly didn't do that. Dunno, could have just been a bad batch going round. Either way, I wouldn't want to take the risk.