Coolant drip above engine- Fixed! Thanks for all your help :)

[tommyardin]

This post or thread started out being all about a drip and maybe its finishing on a discussion about a drip.
Please inform me.

[darrsi]

Not wishing to get that can of 'Chopped Worms' back out of the kitchen cupboard again.


Please see the photo below that I took from the Haynes Service and Repair Manual for the YFZ600R and FZS600 Fazer 96-03.


Is Haynes wrong on this score?
or
Is the confusion about oils going to continue?


I have to admit to using fully synthetic Shell Advanced Motorcycle 4T oil in my FZS Fazer 600 ever since I have had it, and it was recommended to me by my local motorcycle garage.
But, if its the wrong stuff I will certainly take counsel from those that know.

Well that pretty much closes that discussion then doesn't it, as far as our bikes are concerned?


And rather than pay more for fully synthetic oil, as per manual, i've found one for a very decent price that does what it says on the container.


So for anyone else who wishes to give it a go, and i promise you won't be disappointed, here it is again:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZf


Or if you're having trouble getting past a semi, even more of a bargain:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~Y




How on earth could you ever not want to buy this stuff after this review from "Irene" anyway, she sounds like a marketing dream 

[tommyardin]

Not wishing to get that can of 'Chopped Worms' back out of the kitchen cupboard again.


Please see the photo below that I took from the Haynes Service and Repair Manual for the YFZ600R and FZS600 Fazer 96-03.


Is Haynes wrong on this score?
or
Is the confusion about oils going to continue?


I have to admit to using fully synthetic Shell Advanced Motorcycle 4T oil in my FZS Fazer 600 ever since I have had it, and it was recommended to me by my local motorcycle garage.
But, if its the wrong stuff I will certainly take counsel from those that know.

Well that pretty much closes that discussion then doesn't it, as far as our bikes are concerned?


And rather than pay more for fully synthetic oil, as per manual, i've found one for a very decent price that does what it says on the container.


So for anyone else who wishes to give it a go, and i promise you won't be disappointed, here it is again:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZf


Or if you're having trouble getting past a semi, even more of a bargain:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~Y




How on earth could you ever not want to buy this stuff after this review from "Irene" anyway, she sounds like a marketing dream 

Tell me about it   

[rw711]

This post or thread started out being all about a drip and maybe its finishing on a discussion about a drip.
Please inform me.

Started out about a drip... now on a drop! (Of oil) 💧💧😂😂😂

[tommyardin]

The trouble with any enthusiasts is that there are as many opinions on things like oil, filters, tyres, batteries and the like as there are different makes. The trouble is we all think we know best and maybe we do for our selves with our preferences.


Me I use fully synthetic engine oil, but, I can see the problems using it in an older engine that has been run on mineral oil all its life, synthetic oil has great scrubbing qualities that keep the inside of the engine really clean along with the pump and oil ways, but using synthetic oil in an old engine could release all sorts of crud and sludge that could actually block a fine oil way causing all sorts of lubrication issues.
 
Me I'm a Bridgestone Battlax man myself, other say they are shit in the wet, me, I'm made of sugar I don't go out in the rain for fear of dissolving, they certainly give me confidence, but then I have not tried any other modern tyre.


I'm also a Southern Comfort man, it's much to sweet some say, well foccing good job to they will not be drinking mine then.


Anyway Guys, this is a great forum and I for one am really glad I discovered it, I have had many a laugh on here, have been given and received, gratefully much excellent advice and help. And I am sure this will continue into 2017 and on to 2018, I just hope I do. (tommyardin = Old Bastard)


Hope you all had a great Christmas with those you love (Many your Yamahas)  also have a great New Year.


A quick joke for you , it's quite old and goes around now and again.


Princess Anne has an official Royal visit booked to visit Reykjavic Iceland.
Princess Anne's plane lands at Reykjavic airport and is met by the Icelandic Prime Minister, as they are talking the Prime Minister notices beads of sweat on Princess Anne's
face. Feeling a little awkward about looking and not wanting to appear rude he commented politely, I notice Mam that you have a fur hat on, in fact it's a hat made from Arctic Fox, we sometime locally call it Silver Fox here in Iceland, and it is a great insulator against the cold, but this is our summer and if you wish to remove the hat you might be more comfortable.
Princess Anne thanks him for his consideration but said that she had official counsel with the Queen before the trip and the Queen had said 'Where is it you are going again Anne?' I replied Reykjavic Mam and she said 'Where the fox hat'


Its the way you say it.
tommy.       

[rw711]

Great post Tommy and Happy Xmas & New Yr to you -

Totally agree tyres oil and consumable stuff is often personal taste, I dont mind reading through, when you come to a new bike, new manufacturer new forum etc, I'd only be looking at inane shite on facebook if not reading here.

Good thing if going to start using fully synth might be to run one of those oil cleaning flush agents through before dropping your last old oil before putting synthetic in ? Hopefully clear out the crap first - though someone may think they are only designed for cars too?

I've realised my front tyre if  it doesnt need replacing for MOT will need replacing pretty soon after its between 1.5 and 2 mm at worst bits and I wouldnt want to go out in the wet. Tyre choice comes partly down to price and limited delivery options as I live in a remote area (Highlands & Islands) - many online sellers wont sell bulky items cos of higher courier charges - its been in the news lately.   I couldnt find a replacement Metzler at a reasonable price/delivery online so am getting Michelin on the front and will follow suit on the back when needed.   Its a Pilot but I dont think it must be most recent due to price, probably old ones being blown out.

[darrsi]

Great post Tommy and Happy Xmas & New Yr to you -

Totally agree tyres oil and consumable stuff is often personal taste, I dont mind reading through, when you come to a new bike, new manufacturer new forum etc, I'd only be looking at inane shite on facebook if not reading here.

Good thing if going to start using fully synth might be to run one of those oil cleaning flush agents through before dropping your last old oil before putting synthetic in ? Hopefully clear out the crap first - though someone may think they are only designed for cars too?

I've realised my front tyre if  it doesnt need replacing for MOT will need replacing pretty soon after its between 1.5 and 2 mm at worst bits and I wouldnt want to go out in the wet. Tyre choice comes partly down to price and limited delivery options as I live in a remote area (Highlands & Islands) - many online sellers wont sell bulky items cos of higher courier charges - its been in the news lately.   I couldnt find a replacement Metzler at a reasonable price/delivery online so am getting Michelin on the front and will follow suit on the back when needed.   Its a Pilot but I dont think it must be most recent due to price, probably old ones being blown out.

Have you tried www.oponeo.co.uk , good priced tyres delivered to you, just take your wheel with your new tyre after finding a garage that will fit them for you, and you will still save money most likely.
There are normally 2 prices, one for a quick delivery, and the other if you can wait 4 or 5 days which will be the cheaper option. Obviously double check to make sure they cover your area for delivery.


Will I have to pay additionally for delivery? Delivery is free to the UK mainland. However, shipment to Northern Ireland and other UK islands will incur an additional delivery charge of £4.00 per piece. Please note that we do not ship to Jersey, Guernsey or the Isle of Man. In addition, we do not provide a fitting service.

[Bimbam]

Hi
How about clutch problems, if you use syntetic oil?
Is that not why the manual says semi-synt?


btw
Happy New Year

[darrsi]

Hi
How about clutch problems, if you use syntetic oil?
Is that not why the manual says semi-synt?


btw
Happy New Year

The discussion is finished, the manual says fully synthetic is fine.

[tommyardin]

Hi
How about clutch problems, if you use syntetic oil?
Is that not why the manual says semi-synt?


btw
Happy New Year

Hi Bimbam (that will be Thank you mam  )
I really don't know the answer, Haynes say it is OK to use fully synthetic, no, not just OK but they recommend its use, others say use only semi synthetic, because of the nature of the Fully Synthetic oil messes with wet clutches, but if you use Semi synthetic oil does it only semi mess with your clutch, that does not make any sense at all. It is either OK to use synthetic or not there can not be any half way.IF Yamaha say no to synthetic oil either fully of semi, what the foc is the difference between a high revving 4 pot Yamaha engine and any other high revving 4 pot motorcycle engine.The Fully Synthetic oil I use (and I am not saying it is any better or worse than any other make) is Shell Advance Ultra 10W-40 and it says on the label (Bearing in mind this is Shell and they are not exactly small in the field of oils and fuel)  'Ultimate Performance for ALL bikes'. Now it seems to me that most makes of motorcycle have a wet clutch, I say most as there a few that don't , I believe that some Ducati have a dry clutch system.

Now if Shell are to make a BOLD statement like 'Ultimate Performance for ALL bikes' I think it must be true, cos, they would be in deepest doo doo if loads of motorcycles across the world all started braking down because of misinformation on and about one of their products.

Plus what is the basic mechanical difference between one high revving multi pot engine and another? Its Pistons, Crankshafts, Valves, Bearings Camshafts and Lined friction plates coupled with plain steel plates in nearly all clutches, most run in oil and operate in exactly the same maner, plate apart no drive, plates together drive.
Basically as said in other posts, use what your comfortable with, and, if it all goes tits up you only have yourself to blame.
Pic below with writing on label clearly showing.
And of course Yamaha would love you to use their products   including their bloody expensive Fork Oil

[tommyardin]

Well with the help of my friend got to the bottom of where the leak was, the exhaust is now sorted too.

Its where that shiny clip is, there was no clip on it at all!



- so that was easy enough,

Checked coolant and re-topped up , coolant was clean and new looking
checked fuel filter and that is very clean and new looking

Exhaust has had old jubilee clipe removed, neatened up and proper clamp fitted.

Bike does actually generally looked well cared for,  apart from the scratches and scrapes.
- The front tyre is border line, so gonna get a new one on the way.

Glad the coolant leak was an easy and cheap fix rw711.
I know for myself that when I see anything like a drip of fluid where it should not be I panic and tend to imagine the worst each time. You had a result, wonder what the plonker was thinking not putting the clip back on last time he removed it, Daft bugger. 

[rw711]

thanks for link again darrsi I got these of Ebay seem a good price and reviews well on some of sites I looked at, free delivery -  they look very sticky so think will gripe well but not last long ! 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262766516063

[darrsi]

thanks for link again darrsi I got these of Ebay seem a good price and reviews well on some of sites I looked at, free delivery -  they look very sticky so think will gripe well but not last long ! 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262766516063

If you're a "dry" rider most tyres will do the job.
I only concentrate on wet tyres, 'cos i live in London.
Dry is a massive plus when riding!

[rw711]

Yep we get plenty rain in this part of Scotland (on West coast) I can assure you    - http://mototirereviews.com/michelin-pilot-power/

seems to review well for dry and wet  - but not track use , couldnt get my choice of ZZR tyre choice in the size though the rears are same. Though I might of been tempted by the Pirelli in your link as these are higher spec than the ones on my Kwak and not much more. the front is a 120/60 on the ZZR, and I think the ZZR must share sizes with alot of things given price ? I got rear tyre for same price as this front    and a front Pirelli can be had for 40 notes ( being of Yorkshire descent and living in Scotland means obligatory miser lol  )

[darrsi]

Yep we get plenty rain in this part of Scotland (on West coast) I can assure you    - http://mototirereviews.com/michelin-pilot-power/

seems to review well for dry and wet  - but not track use , couldnt get my choice of ZZR tyre choice in the size though the rears are same. Though I might of been tempted by the Pirelli in your link as these are higher spec than the ones on my Kwak and not much more. the front is a 120/60 on the ZZR, and I think the ZZR must share sizes with alot of things given price ? I got rear tyre for same price as this front    and a front Pirelli can be had for 40 notes ( being of Yorkshire descent and living in Scotland means obligatory miser lol  )

Do not feel the urge to try and go bigger tyre wise, a few people will disagree with me, but generally stick to the given sizes for the bike. Years of testing came up with these for a reason, they are the best sizes for both bike and rider.
West coast of Scotland eh? Every shite weather report i read about for the "UK" tends to be your weather, but where you suffer the weather i have to deal with the whole world's worst ever drivers in London, so it kind of levels things out in a way. 

[rw711]

Yep we get plenty rain in this part of Scotland (on West coast) I can assure you    - http://mototirereviews.com/michelin-pilot-power/

seems to review well for dry and wet  - but not track use , couldnt get my choice of ZZR tyre choice in the size though the rears are same. Though I might of been tempted by the Pirelli in your link as these are higher spec than the ones on my Kwak and not much more. the front is a 120/60 on the ZZR, and I think the ZZR must share sizes with alot of things given price ? I got rear tyre for same price as this front    and a front Pirelli can be had for 40 notes ( being of Yorkshire descent and living in Scotland means obligatory miser lol  )

Do not feel the urge to try and go bigger tyre wise, a few people will disagree with me, but generally stick to the given sizes for the bike. Years of testing came up with these for a reason, they are the best sizes for both bike and rider.
West coast of Scotland eh? Every shite weather report i read about for the "UK" tends to be your weather, but where you suffer the weather i have to deal with the whole world's worst ever drivers in London, so it kind of levels things out in a way. 

Absolutely we have the worst weather and best biking roads, and least traffic - If ever you want a good biking road try the A816 Lochgilphead to Oban- you'll need to do it twice, once to size it up and enjoy the scenery and then again to blast it!  
Oban to Fort William is good to - in fact anywhere once your out of Glasgow on the A82/A83 - well you just cant go wrong