security

[Dustydes]

Hi

In need of a lock and chain for me new bike.
Don't want to take out a mortgage, so the Abloy Protec is out

Has anyone got/used the Magnum ONGUARD Beast ?

Des

[Punkstig]

With my recent experience I'd 100% say you have to get the best to reduce the chance of the opportunist little scrotes from having a joy ride
I'll be buying an almax chain with squire lock for my replacement bike!
Today I spent £120 on a disc lock!

[melons]

Bear in mind that a lock and chain will last you for the life of several bikes, so whilst initial purchase price may seem steep, they're pretty cheap over the 5-10+ years you'll keep them.


I use an Almax series IV with an Abloy 362 fed through a ground anchor (supplied by Almax and installed by Zanx who's featured in Punkstig's youtube vid link) and I sleep well. I replaced Squire SS65 after the lock mechanism got stiff after 14yrs of no maintenance (Almax offered to service it but I'd binned it before It came up in a chat with them), and I upgraded the chain from a Series III (which is still fine) after 14yrs use just  for the added security benefits of having a chain that weighs more than my bike.....imo it's not worth skimping

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[Oldgit]

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[fazerscotty]

for real security--vote leave.

 

[slappy]

for real security--vote leave.

 

Blast you, you beat me to it

[fazersharp]

You need 19mm chain links as that way the biggest bolt croppers jaws will not open wide enough to get on to it.
 

[Slaninar]

You need 19mm chain links as that way the biggest bolt croppers jaws will not open wide enough to get on to it.

I'd go for a 12mm plus good hardened chain and lock. The only make I know that's good and doesn't have a lock that's easily picked, as well as the chain that's hard to cut with bolt cutters up to 1 meter long is Abus.


http://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Motorbike-Scooter/Lock-Chain-Combinations/GRANIT-Extreme-Plus-59


And do not lock just the front wheel like in the pic, better to get a hold of a frame, if possible.


Wrote this on bicycle safety, but similar goes to motorcycles as well.


Locks:
http://www.bike.bikegremlin.com/2015/09/23/bicycle-locks/


Locking techniques:
http://www.bike.bikegremlin.com/2015/09/30/locking-a-bicycle/

[fazersharp]

You need 19mm chain links as that way the biggest bolt croppers jaws will not open wide enough to get on to it.

chain that's hard to cut with bolt cutters up to 1 meter long

Yes that is the factor when thinking about the practicality of carrying a 19mm chain, the thinking is that you go for a smaller chain but only small enough so that only a bolt cropper over 1m will cut it. And that thinking is that Its difficult to hide a 1m+ bolt cropper down your trouser leg. 

But beware of cheaper fully hardened chains because when one side of a link is bolt cropped the shock actually breaks the other side because that chain is brittle, that is where you will of come across the term "case hardened" so the link is softer inside and so will not shatter - which means they have to bolt crop both sides of the link- takes longer. 

[Slaninar]

You need 19mm chain links as that way the biggest bolt croppers jaws will not open wide enough to get on to it.

chain that's hard to cut with bolt cutters up to 1 meter long

Yes that is the factor when thinking about the practicality of carrying a 19mm chain, the thinking is that you go for a smaller chain but only small enough so that only a bolt cropper over 1m will cut it. And that thinking is that Its difficult to hide a 1m+ bolt cropper down your trouser leg. 

But beware of cheaper fully hardened chains because when one side of a link is bolt cropped the shock actually breaks the other side because that chain is brittle, that is where you will of come across the term "case hardened" so the link is softer inside and so will not shatter - which means they have to bolt crop both sides of the link- takes longer.

+1


Also, hardening too much makes the metal brittle and relatively easy to smash (with a sharp tool and a hammer). Unfortunately, only expensive models of renowned manufacturers have any data on what kind of hardening was used. So I stick with the outrageously overpriced Abus for now. So far they cost me less each year, since the ones I have are never cut and no bicycles stolen. Would use the same for motorcycle if I wanted it locked outside.

[fazersharp]

And these

http://securityforbikes.com/products.php?cat=Chains+%28without+padlocks%29

[fazersharp]

And these

http://securityforbikes.com/products.php?cat=Chains+%28without+padlocks%29

Also anyone got an Anti Pinch Pin

[taylor]

i quite often turn up on building sites and there is no one to let me in.        my sthill saw cuts any lock or chain in seconds, i have even taking hinges off in seconds,  very noisy mind you so outside your house you would hear it.     but out and about if they have the balls it is gone.  good luck.  be carefull.

[Punkstig]

Woops

[Slaninar]

Woops

Of course - with that long bolt cutters and using ground as a leverage.


Battery run angle grinder runs through even twice as thick chains in under a minute.


About 15-20 minutes with a good hack saw.

[fazersharp]

The point is all you can do is try and make it as hard and as noisy as possible for them to do it