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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #25 on: 18 December 2015, 11:09:45 am »
Maddog, Sharpy - are we saying one of these is the best option then?


http://www.halfords.com/cycling/cycling-clothing/jackets-gilets/ridge-water-resistant-cycling-jacket

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #26 on: 18 December 2015, 11:17:34 am »
Maddog
Thats what I said in my first post --"It may certainly be helpful in any insurance claims I would of thought."
So that is actually the case then ?
My viz also has arms, and my lid is mainly white.
 
The problem then with the camoflarge effect - could this be prevented with a multi green,yellow,pink top does such a thing exist     

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #27 on: 18 December 2015, 11:28:35 am »
Maddog, Sharpy - are we saying one of these is the best option then?


http://www.halfords.com/cycling/cycling-clothing/jackets-gilets/ridge-water-resistant-cycling-jacket

Mine is more like this Picture bellow- so just a small zip at the top and goes over your head - fits nice and tight and goes over the end of my leather sleeves and around my wrists so that it is still easy to get my gloves on. Also fits nice around my neck area. And is longer than my leather jacket and almost forms a seal below.
BUT mine is not water proof, but I dont do rain anyway, but if you get the right size and bearing in mind it is stretchy it could go over your waterproofs
 

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #28 on: 18 December 2015, 11:43:23 am »
FS......quite possibly, pink seems to be getting good reports as it stands out from other background colours especially where everyone is in hi viz, so if you're in London pink maybe seen better than another yellow hi viz if its correct that London is swamped with yellow hi viz

its all about contrast

as for your other questions about the 80% etc I can only go on what I was told by an individual and can't quote case law, ditto the sleeves........my mate who is similar qualified as me, once stated that the sleeves were more visible when out with a rider in long sleeves as opposed to vest wearing riders

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #29 on: 18 December 2015, 12:02:43 pm »
Perhaps with sleeves when approaching a junction instead of weaving you could flap your arms

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« Reply #30 on: 18 December 2015, 12:53:35 pm »
Open road - yes. Definitely.
City riding - rarely.


And when it comes to SMIDSY, not sure it helps very much. Swerving before intersections is a lot more effective.


I agree with you there, if I see a car poking out of a side street I'll move side to side within the lane as the human eye notices movement far more than colour.


As for wearing hi-vis, I never ride without it, for two main reasons. Firstly, the insurance issue as already stated earlier in the thread. Secondly, for my wife's peace of mind.
I personally don't give a fuck about what I look like, so don't care if I'm looked down on by other bikers for wearing it. If I have to wear a pink tutu and bunny ears to stop my wife shitting herself every time I get on the bike, that's what I'll wear.  :lol

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #31 on: 18 December 2015, 01:15:25 pm »
Maddog
Thats what I said in my first post --"It may certainly be helpful in any insurance claims I would of thought."
So that is actually the case then ?
My viz also has arms, and my lid is mainly white.
 
The problem then with the camoflarge effect - could this be prevented with a multi green,yellow,pink top does such a thing exist     


There you go fella.  :thumbup 


You'll look fabulous.  :lol




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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #32 on: 18 December 2015, 01:36:57 pm »
I don't use one personally.  I have never been convinced they would do any good although agree that they certainly won't do any harm.


Over the last few years I have seen 3 motorcycle accidents happen in front of me, two of those had hi-vis vests - I am not saying your more likely to have an accident in one, just the way it turned out in this case.  All these accidents involved a junction, either excessive speed or the riders being badly positioned approaching it (riding near the white line quite close to the car in front).  In positions like that any car wanting to pull out of the junction just can't see the bike, more of a Sorry Mate I Couldn't See You.


My opinion is you see the lights, hard reflections off the helmet etc well before the hi-vis vest especially in the dark, in fact oncoming bikes the headlight halo effects obscures all until they are quite close.  I find even the large police range rovers covered in high vis yellow are not really more visible than other cars, just more distinctive.  Traffic police wear hi-vis but this is more to do with them frequently having to be roadside on foot, even the ones in cars wear hi-vis jackets due to this.


Not sure about the insurance thing but I have only ever heard of police asking if the bikes had the light on, not what they were wearing. 

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #33 on: 18 December 2015, 01:53:50 pm »
I've got:


Reflective Arai stickers on both sides of my fairing, plus front/back of crash helmet
Reflective tape around the sides and back of the top box
Hi-Vis waistcoat
LED tail light that also indicates (as well as original indicators)
LED strip lights on the sides of the fairing, which are connected to the original indicators as well.
Twin headlight mod has been done
Very loud air horn
And a beeping indicator for the benefit of people that kept walking out in front of me as i turned into my road of an evening after work. I found that the air horn used to make them jump.


If you can't hear or see me then all i can say is you must be a Pinball Wizard.

 


It's an old photo but it's not all as bad as it sounds, and all comes to life at night.








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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #34 on: 18 December 2015, 02:05:16 pm »
I do find that bikes with two lights like fazers are easier to judge/pick out than those with a single light.

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #35 on: 18 December 2015, 02:13:07 pm »
I do find that bikes with two lights like fazers are easier to judge/pick out than those with a single light.


Worst thing i keep seeing recently, at night when it's raining as well so it was poor visibility too, is cars with only one headlight working coming towards you, so they can actually be mistaken for a bike.

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« Reply #36 on: 18 December 2015, 04:35:42 pm »
definitely NO on this one, if they cant see 2 friggin front headlamp lights on what can some of them see?????????

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« Reply #37 on: 18 December 2015, 05:22:47 pm »

There you go fella.  :thumbup 


You'll look fabulous.  :lol



That would just trigger an epileptic fit in the driver looking at me

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #38 on: 18 December 2015, 07:12:22 pm »
I have an orange one from Arco. It's for trackside workers and is orange day glo with 2 big reflective stripes. It is made of 2 halves - front and back- with heavy duty poppers across the shoulders and down the sides. The idea is that if you catch it on anything it will separate rather than snagging. Designed with passing trains in mind but could apply to traffic/filtering.

I used to have a waterproof yellow jacket with arms. Was great but I found that the arms bulked the suit out so that I struggled to see past my own arms in the mirrors.

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #39 on: 18 December 2015, 08:26:06 pm »
I used to have a waterproof yellow jacket with arms. Was great but I found that the arms bulked the suit out so that I struggled to see past my own arms in the mirrors.
That's the beauty of mine as it is a stretch tight fit - and cheep enough too

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #40 on: 18 December 2015, 08:46:54 pm »
Maddog, Sharpy - are we saying one of these is the best option then?


http://www.halfords.com/cycling/cycling-clothing/jackets-gilets/ridge-water-resistant-cycling-jacket

Mine is more like this Picture bellow- so just a small zip at the top and goes over your head - fits nice and tight and goes over the end of my leather sleeves and around my wrists so that it is still easy to get my gloves on. Also fits nice around my neck area. And is longer than my leather jacket and almost forms a seal below.
BUT mine is not water proof, but I dont do rain anyway, but if you get the right size and bearing in mind it is stretchy it could go over your waterproofs



Not surprised it's feckin tight......it's made for a bird - just sayin like. Thanks for the idea but i'm not going to A&E as a cross dresser.  :lol

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #41 on: 18 December 2015, 08:52:12 pm »
Loving this scheme though. Can you make me one aswell Darrsi


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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #42 on: 18 December 2015, 10:33:53 pm »
It stops the poor sods in the sweat shops starving .

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #43 on: 18 December 2015, 10:58:39 pm »
On dark days be it morning or evening Hi Vis has to be worth it at least gives you a fitting chance be it on the roads or in court

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #44 on: 18 December 2015, 11:01:11 pm »
Yellow sunshine . . . sounds like an acid trip  , , , I'm going to have to post my own pic! You have been warned!" :b :rollin :rollin :rollin

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #45 on: 18 December 2015, 11:41:13 pm »
Anyone notice how hi vis looks with sunglasses especially poloraid one.

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #46 on: 19 December 2015, 09:27:10 am »
Anyone notice how hi vis looks with sunglasses especially poloraid one.


Kind of defeating the object if truth be told?




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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #47 on: 19 December 2015, 09:40:40 am »
For the last couple of years I've had yellow lens protectors on my bike and I think these are amazing, whilst filtering I notice more cars move aside for me. I wear a Hi Viz jacket that I nicked from work, it covers my arms too. I never used to wear any Hi Viz until a work mate mentioned a story of some guy coming off his bike and laying in the road and was hit by a car that couldn't see him, his bike was some yards away. Think about it, dressed in Black in the dark and lying on a road. He might still have been hit by a car wearing Hi Viz but it might have given the driver a few vital yards to brake.

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #48 on: 19 December 2015, 09:55:31 am »

Open road - yes. Definitely.
City riding - rarely.


And when it comes to SMIDSY, not sure it helps very much. Swerving before intersections is a lot more effective.



I agree with you there, if I see a car poking out of a side street I'll move side to side within the lane as the human eye notices movement far more than colour.


As for wearing hi-vis, I never ride without it, for two main reasons. Firstly, the insurance issue as already stated earlier in the thread. Secondly, for my wife's peace of mind.
I personally don't give a fuck about what I look like, so don't care if I'm looked down on by other bikers for wearing it. If I have to wear a pink tutu and bunny ears to stop my wife shitting herself every time I get on the bike, that's what I'll wear.  :lol


My motorcycle has some hi-vis tape put - white on the front, red on the back. I often wear hi-vis in the open road. My "winter" bicycle is taped in hi-vis tape. So nothing against hi-vis.

However, as far as effectiveness goes, out of town it's a lot more effective. In the city... it seems to help a lot less. IMO, the list is like this:

1. Lights - adding two fog lights at the sides, to make the front look as wide as possible.


2. Good lane positioning according to situation (to increase visibility) and weaving at intersections (what is a man when he stops drinking and driving?! :)  ).
3. Speed and braking - always assume you're still invisible. Always!
4. Hi - vis.
5. Crash pads and helmet, if all else fails. :)

I wrote a blog article on hi-vis decals limitations for bicycles. People often expect a bit too much of it.

http://www.bike.bikegremlin.com/2015/09/02/bicycle-lights/

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Re: Hi Viz. Do you believe It Helps?
« Reply #49 on: 19 December 2015, 10:40:00 am »
My thoughts are that if you are commuting every day in heavy traffic and in the winter then it is worthwhile..........but the average summer weekend rider doesnt need it.........and right or wrong we are all into aesthetics arent we & high viz looks shit...........if we didnt care then we'd have all of our bikes covered in high viz instead of the lovely paint jobs they have.