Cab gets my vote by default

[Slaninar]

Still not enough for bikes. This video explains the visibility problem from the angle of human instincts and limits:





Add poor driver training (and none training required to be a pedestrian) and there you have it.




I had a SMIDSY once, driving a car. Hit the brakes at the very last second. And consider myself to be a very cautious driver, on the lookout for (motor)cyclists. Now I'm ten years older with worse reflexes. Could happen any time to anyone.   

[darrsi]

There's a tube station not far from where i live that's situated on top of quite a steep bridge that goes over the track and my worst scenario is when it's pissing down with rain so i have a visor full of water droplets, oncoming cars coming over the bridge with their lovely bright headlights illuminating every single one of those droplets, then some cnut deciding to cross the road dressed in dark clothing in the thought that i must be able to see them, just 'cos they fancy a kebab but can't be arsed to use the proper crossing.


I might feel a bump, then wash the bike down later......but no, i simply cannot see them, through no fault of my own.


Why anyone would want to cross a road on the wrong side of a blind bridge just beggars belief, i wouldn't even consider it in broad daylight?

[Grahamm]

Look it up, I think you'll find that pedestrians have 'a right of way'.

"Right of way" simply means that someone is allowed to "Pass and re-pass" across a piece of land, ie they can do it repeatedly and do not need to ask for permission at any time.

The correct term is "priority", ie who gets to go first. At a roundabout, traffic from the right has priority, ie you're required to let it go first. If a pedestrian has set foot on a zebra crossing, they have priority and traffic must stop for them.

However, although you're not allowed to deliberately run them down, some idiot just stepping out into the road does *not* have priority and, if they get hit, may well be deemed to be at fault.

[darrsi]

Look it up, I think you'll find that pedestrians have 'a right of way'.

"Right of way" simply means that someone is allowed to "Pass and re-pass" across a piece of land, ie they can do it repeatedly and do not need to ask for permission at any time.

The correct term is "priority", ie who gets to go first. At a roundabout, traffic from the right has priority, ie you're required to let it go first. If a pedestrian has set foot on a zebra crossing, they have priority and traffic must stop for them.

However, although you're not allowed to deliberately run them down, some idiot just stepping out into the road does *not* have priority and, if they get hit, may well be deemed to be at fault.

So what you're actually suggesting is by writing *not* and also "may well", you don't really know the exact answer either, just like the rest of us?
Spoken like a true lawyer.


All i know is if you decide to rudely and carelessly step out in front of me then you get to hear the tone of my air horn, which in turn tends to give people a quick lesson in how to River Dance.
When i was a kid the Green Cross Code was drummed into you at school, on tv, posters, in fact it was everywhere. You don't really see that sort of thing these days, it was a proper campaign that was designed to help pedestrians and drivers alike.
Now if you go past a school for instance the chances are a bunch of kids will cross in front of you as slowly as possible with zero eye contact, but if you're really lucky one of them might actually acknowledge you with a middle finger to say "fuck you very much".
How times have changed. 

[Robbie8666]

When i was a kid the Green Cross Code was drummed into you at school, on tv, posters, in fact it was everywhere. You don't really see that sort of thing these days, it was a proper campaign that was designed to help pedestrians and drivers alike.

the reason the Green Cross Code isn't taught any more is because the little darlings are driven to school in 4 x 4's!!
 
I have tried to teach my kids how to cross properly looking both ways but still they will just blindly cross!
 

[Frosties]

I often brake, slow down, when I see the pedestrian is not sure whether to go, or stop, or run. If they don't see me, then I go behind men and in front of women - because, from my experience, if they see me at the very last second, women often tend to suddenly stop or jump backwards, while men tend to start running-jumping forward, seldom stopping.

This bit about male and female reactions is just so, so true. A good heads up to others - except Darrsi who couldn't give a fook anyhow, and rightly so in a lot of cases 

[Grahamm]

So what you're actually suggesting is by writing *not* and also "may well", you don't really know the exact answer either, just like the rest of us?
Spoken like a true lawyer.

No, if i was speaking like a true lawyer I'd have charged you £150 for that answer.

[darrsi]

So what you're actually suggesting is by writing *not* and also "may well", you don't really know the exact answer either, just like the rest of us?
Spoken like a true lawyer.

No, if i was speaking like a true lawyer I'd have charged you £150 for that answer.

This is very true. 

[darrsi]

I often brake, slow down, when I see the pedestrian is not sure whether to go, or stop, or run. If they don't see me, then I go behind men and in front of women - because, from my experience, if they see me at the very last second, women often tend to suddenly stop or jump backwards, while men tend to start running-jumping forward, seldom stopping.

This bit about male and female reactions is just so, so true. A good heads up to others - except Darrsi who couldn't give a fook anyhow, and rightly so in a lot of cases 

Rather than having to suddenly remember who steps which way, 'cos you're bound to forget, just aim straight at them with the horn blowing.
Then you can't get it wrong, 

[Frosties]

I often brake, slow down, when I see the pedestrian is not sure whether to go, or stop, or run. If they don't see me, then I go behind men and in front of women - because, from my experience, if they see me at the very last second, women often tend to suddenly stop or jump backwards, while men tend to start running-jumping forward, seldom stopping.

This bit about male and female reactions is just so, so true. A good heads up to others - except Darrsi who couldn't give a fook anyhow, and rightly so in a lot of cases 

Rather than having to suddenly remember who steps which way, 'cos you're bound to forget, just aim straight at them with the horn blowing.
Then you can't get it wrong, 

Good shout  . Been thinking though......what happens if it's a faggott or a lesbo eh - what then ? 

[Val]

Good shout  . Been thinking though......what happens if it's a faggott or a lesbo eh - what then ? 

If there are two lesbos and they are kissing each other I do not have problem with that at all, dreams come true 

[Slaninar]

Be careful what you wish for...   

[Frosties]

 

[maddog04]

Good shout  . Been thinking though......what happens if it's a faggott or a lesbo eh - what then ? 
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they'd start mincing on the spot




and slaninar.......bang outta order, we need lipstick lez's

[Punkstig]

Look it up, I think you'll find that pedestrians have 'a right of way'.

If a pedestrian has set foot on a zebra crossing, they have priority and traffic must stop for them.

This isn't how the highway code is set, and a mistake too many people make-
Zebra crossings are a two way thing, pedestrians must wait until vehicles give way to them to cross, as such vehicles must give way to pedestrians waiting* to cross

What do too many people do?
Walk up to the crossing and just step out.

So what's the major problem here?
It's pissing down with rain and someone just steps out thinking 'they have priority' you end up attempting an emergency stop but because the road is slippy the pedestrian ends up getting knee capped by a sliding motorbike!

Yes, it's happened, no not to me, the bike rider was declared to have done no wrong- pedestrian fault!

This isn't a dig at you grahamm, too many people decide to interpret the highway code as they see fit, and they're wrong!

[Slaninar]

I hate (whether on bicycle, motorcycle or in a car) when pedestrians stand by the crossing waiting for you to STOP (children and elderly excluded). Can't you see I'm slowing down, waving/waiting for you to pass?! Most of the time they would have passed without me needing to stop, or slow down much, but they just stand still, until I reach the crossing, waiting for me to come to a full stop. Most of the time I just smile and say thank you and ride on, without stopping.

[darrsi]

Had a fella walk out on me the other day going home from work but it was a bit of a tough one.


Because firstly, he just looked like a very pissed Irishman.......but secondly he had a white stick!


So I did the decent thing and refrained from using my air horn and rode around him.


Dunno if he ever made it to the other side? 

[Grahamm]

If a pedestrian has set foot on a zebra crossing, they have priority and traffic must stop for them.

This isn't how the highway code is set, and a mistake too many people make-
Zebra crossings are a two way thing, pedestrians must wait until vehicles give way to them to cross, as such vehicles must give way to pedestrians waiting* to cross

Err, not from what I've just read:

Rule 18

At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should

    always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing
    always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous.

You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing.

So "always check that the traffic has stopped" is only a "should", not a "MUST".

Rule 19

Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.

This addresses Slainar's comment. Provided they haven't stepped onto the crossing, he's within his rights to keep going (although it's generally considered polite and sensible to stop )

Rule 195

Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

    look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
    you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

So as soon as they step on the crossing, it's a legal requirement ie "MUST" that you give way, but, again, it's recommended that you watch out for pedestrians and slow down or stop if they're waiting.

Here's the law it's based on:

Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings

25.—(1) Every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway within the limits of a Zebra crossing, which is not for the time being controlled by a constable in uniform or traffic warden, before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian.

[Slaninar]

In my country you must stop when you see a pedestrian approaching the crossing - doesn't have to step on it. NOBODY respects this. 

Also, overtaking a car stopped at zebra crossing is life endangering for pedestrian and the fine is immediate loss of the driver's license + fine.

[darrsi]

If a pedestrian has set foot on a zebra crossing, they have priority and traffic must stop for them.

This isn't how the highway code is set, and a mistake too many people make-
Zebra crossings are a two way thing, pedestrians must wait until vehicles give way to them to cross, as such vehicles must give way to pedestrians waiting* to cross

Err, not from what I've just read:

Rule 18

At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should

    always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing
    always cross between the studs or over the zebra markings. Do not cross at the side of the crossing or on the zig-zag lines, as it can be dangerous.

You MUST NOT loiter on any type of crossing.

So "always check that the traffic has stopped" is only a "should", not a "MUST".

Rule 19

Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.

This addresses Slainar's comment. Provided they haven't stepped onto the crossing, he's within his rights to keep going (although it's generally considered polite and sensible to stop )

Rule 195

Zebra crossings. As you approach a zebra crossing

    look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
    you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing

So as soon as they step on the crossing, it's a legal requirement ie "MUST" that you give way, but, again, it's recommended that you watch out for pedestrians and slow down or stop if they're waiting.

Here's the law it's based on:

Precedence of pedestrians over vehicles at Zebra crossings

25.—(1) Every pedestrian, if he is on the carriageway within the limits of a Zebra crossing, which is not for the time being controlled by a constable in uniform or traffic warden, before any part of a vehicle has entered those limits, shall have precedence within those limits over that vehicle and the driver of the vehicle shall accord such precedence to any such pedestrian.

The easiest way to think about this is put yourself in a pedestrians position.


I know damn well that if i'm at a zebra crossing there is no way way i am stepping foot on it until all you bastard car and bike drivers/riders have stopped dead, given me eye contact, and maybe waved me across or flashed your lights. If you're still moving i ain't chancing it, and just for the Brucie Bonus, i WILL put my hand up and even say thank you for being the one that stopped to let me cross.
Then whilst cautiously crossing in downright fear of my life, i'll then look at the other side of the road and plead with them fuckers to spare mercy on me as well, and let me reach the other side in one piece, then jump for joy in sheer relief when i finally make it. 


That's how you cross a road. 

[Punkstig]

The zig zag lines make up the limits of the zebra crossing, hopefully everyone understands this along with rule 25!

[maddog04]

there's a pelican crossing by me where you take your life in your hands each time you cross on it. 2 lanes of traffic each way and lane 1 stops but lane 2 sometimes drive through.......BLIND TWATS

I've nearly been hit 3 times and one girl was killed. I always wait for lane 1 to stop now and gingerly await lane 2 stopping on my side, I then look for the same on the opposite side before crossing

the other week some tosser had stopped across the crossing in heavy traffic then the lights went red allowing me to cross. I walked around the rear of this car and slapped it and the window went down. I told him not to stop on the crossing and he replied he'd break me leg if I touched his car again

the red mist came down and I told the 25 stone fat twat to get out the car, called him allsorts from the middle of the crossing whilst drivers were watching. The cnut really got me goat.....................damn.......wrong post

[Frosties]

there's a pelican crossing by me where you take your life in your hands each time you cross on it. 2 lanes of traffic each way and lane 1 stops but lane 2 sometimes drive through.......BLIND TWATS

I've nearly been hit 3 times and one girl was killed. I always wait for lane 1 to stop now and gingerly await lane 2 stopping on my side, I then look for the same on the opposite side before crossing

the other week some tosser had stopped across the crossing in heavy traffic then the lights went red allowing me to cross. I walked around the rear of this car and slapped it and the window went down. I told him not to stop on the crossing and he replied he'd break me leg if I touched his car again

the red mist came down and I told the 25 stone fat twat to get out the car, called him allsorts from the middle of the crossing whilst drivers were watching. The cnut really got me goat.....................damn.......wrong post

Arrrr ehhhhh Maddog

[darrsi]

I don't even know where to begin.......

http://www.bmw.co.uk/en_GB/topics/discover-bmw/bikes-equipment.html

[Grahamm]

That's how you cross a road. 

The reply was about the Highway Code and the Law. Unfortunately what they say and what people do are different matters

Although there was one bit that I found interesting:

Prior to that post, I was under the impression that you mustn't filter past a vehicle that is closest to the crossing (in the Zig-Zag area) whether there is a pedestrian there or not. Now, having read what I posted, it seems that you *can* filter past if they're stopped on the Zig-Zags if they *haven't* stopped for a pedestrian.

I presume that it's been updated to clarify the situation, but I don't have an older version of the HC to hand to check at the moment.