ah see the mistake here is assuming any facts about what bikes are make a difference, the knowledge we have, or some of us have, is counterproductive here. We are after famous bikes. It matter not that the Z1 is considered a copy, which it isn't of course, it is the fact IT is more famous than the Honda. Similarly the Tesi, awesome though it is, is unlikely to be famous with many people. The LCs will be however, as will the 400/4, and the ixxers, even Harleys (spit).