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maddog04

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Earnings
« on: 25 November 2014, 09:51:10 am »
was talking with the wife about Lewis Hamilton earning £15M pa and she said it was obscene. Her thoughts were Surgeons should be on that money as they're life savers of the highest order.
I took a twist on it and said what about the emergency services who save them first (the surgeon wouldn't see them if they weren't saved at the scene)
good point she says but surgeons also do hearts/kidneys/cancer etc so I gave her that one
but my all-round thoughts in no particular order are, doctors/nurses/police /fire/ambos/armed forces (MI5/MI6 too) should be earning top money
our armed forces protect us/the country from a foreign threat and the emergency services look after us at home.
your thoughts folks?

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« Reply #1 on: 25 November 2014, 09:53:24 am »
Been saying that for years. Got to admit, it's a bizarre world we live in!

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« Reply #2 on: 25 November 2014, 10:00:07 am »
I gotta say with Nurses been offered either a 1% payrise or an annual pay rise not both I thinks its disgusting the amount sportsmen in general get paid!
as ex Royal Navy I thought pay wasn't too bad eventually unless you break it down to a 24 hour hourly rate.
but as for Paramedics & Nurses, they get a pitance for what they actually have to do and all the training and then continual training to keep current their pay is bad!

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« Reply #3 on: 25 November 2014, 10:06:36 am »
It wasn't untill I read the whole post before I realised it wasn't about earrings

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« Reply #4 on: 25 November 2014, 10:16:49 am »
should've gone to specsavers :b

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« Reply #5 on: 25 November 2014, 10:21:13 am »
I gotta say with Nurses been offered either a 1% payrise or an annual pay rise not both I thinks its disgusting the amount sportsmen in general get paid!
as ex Royal Navy I thought pay wasn't too bad eventually unless you break it down to a 24 hour hourly rate.
but as for Paramedics & Nurses, they get a pitance for what they actually have to do and all the training and then continual training to keep current their pay is bad!

And don't get me started on the annual pay rises of our politicians!  :grumble

I guess it's all relative though. People like Hamilton are the very best in their field, and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it. It does give the youngsters something to aspire to, which imo is no bad thing. Personally, I'm more concerned about bankers and directors of large, dominating corporations taking huge rises and bonuses even when their performance is poor. Now that is disgraceful.

So for me, it's more a gripe that nurses, firemen etc don't get decent pay rises comparatively. The armed forces is a tricky one. TBF, I was on the best money I've ever been on when I was in the RAF. I've never got back to that level since. In peacetime, it works out quite well, despite it being for 24hrs a day, 365 days a year, cos you actually get pretty good time off and other perks. But with the guys going off to the big sand box, putting their lives on the line, whether you believe in the reasons for it or not; well that's a more complex issue, and you could say that it was unfair. But you know what they say; if you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined up  :rolleyes

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« Reply #6 on: 25 November 2014, 10:31:07 am »
Just toss this one in the mix, if it was not for big oil majors, the world would be a better place. Oil Majors tend to have a big say in Britains foreign policy, hence one of the main reasons we are constantly under threat. If we kept our nose out of it we would not need to be spending billions on silly wars. The money saved could then be put to better use paying a decent wage to health care workers etc!


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« Reply #7 on: 25 November 2014, 10:36:29 am »
Actually once the nurse has gone through all of the annual rises up to the max in their grade which I think is 4 then after that they get no rises at all. And they get no perks unlike the other services. Also the other services can drive to work and park at work for free - nurses have to pay to park at work.

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« Reply #8 on: 25 November 2014, 10:41:39 am »
Just toss this one in the mix, if it was not for big oil majors, the world would be a better place. Oil Majors tend to have a big say in Britains foreign policy, hence one of the main reasons we are constantly under threat. If we kept our nose out of it we would not need to be spending billions on silly wars. The money saved could then be put to better use paying a decent wage to health care workers etc!

[devil's advocate]If we didn't have the big oil majors, would you be typing that question on an internet forum, or would you have to write it to us all with pen and ink?[/devil's advocate]

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« Reply #9 on: 25 November 2014, 10:43:11 am »
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People like Hamilton are the very best in their field, and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.
But what I dont like is when other sports men/women get public funding and then do well and go on the earn millions on the back of our tax.

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« Reply #10 on: 25 November 2014, 10:59:10 am »



I think it is fair


If we are willing watch these sports then we are already saying that it is fair.......the money they earn doesnt come outta thin air or outta public funds...it isnt like the Gov't is saying "right we cant give nurses a pay rise because that money is earmarked for Lewis Hamilton"......his wages come from all the lucrative advertising, branding and ticket sales etc etc......from the punters spending their low wages to watch it......if it isnt fair then nobody will get involved.....they make the money so why shouldnt they choose how much of it to give their employees......they could pay them less and save some in a bank.....but then they wont get the driver that the want......what they wont do is say oh lets give that extra we've made to the nurses.




Do i agree with important workers not being paid more or being offered shit pay rises......NO.....it is the pits.....but that is a different debate altogether...at the end of the day they have it sussed......pay them just enough that when they are all fresh faced and looking for a career the money seems attractive......& then once they've been in 5 years it soon changes and how dare they get paid such a pittance........but lets just say they lowered it too much and nurses were on 13k a year then they'd have no nurses......so they are just chipping away bit by bit trying to find how low they can go before the nurses leave........& then they'll spend millions on a big recruitment drive and the next time they'll say right we cant go quite that low again........but we can try :'(

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« Reply #11 on: 25 November 2014, 11:04:16 am »
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People like Hamilton are the very best in their field, and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.
But what I dont like is when other sports men/women get public funding and then do well and go on the earn millions on the back of our tax.

But could you not say that they represent our country in a good way, and therefore it does filter back and benefit us all? And it's still a drop in the ocean compared to my aforementioned gripe. These corporate financial institutions take, take, take and put comparatively little back in, it seems to me.




so they are just chipping away bit by bit trying to find how low they can go before the nurses leave........& then they'll spend millions on a big recruitment drive and the next time they'll say right we cant go quite that low again........but we can try :'(


Or will they just replace them with foreign workers for whom it seems like a lot more....?

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« Reply #12 on: 25 November 2014, 11:22:17 am »





You're right Nick.......getting the foreigners in is what they are doing......nurse money to them is like pop star wages.......heart surgeon......salary 20k per annum......oh we've only had foreign nationals apply for this job but we did openly advertise it......we have been fair.


Meanwhile back in their home country theres an extreme lack of heart surgeons as they've all come to the UK......although i wouldnt be surprised then if some British funded charity or whatever then recruits them back to their home country.......so they end up with UK trained surgeons while we make do with the temporary ones that are still learning and foccing things up.


None of the above is any way backed up by any proof.......well it is a motorbike forum after all. :lol

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« Reply #13 on: 25 November 2014, 11:52:56 am »
I think it is fair


If we are willing watch these sports then we are already saying that it is fair.......the money they earn doesnt come outta thin air or outta public funds...it isnt like the Gov't is saying "right we cant give nurses a pay rise because that money is earmarked for Lewis Hamilton"......his wages come from all the lucrative advertising, branding and ticket sales etc etc......from the punters spending their low wages to watch it......if it isnt fair then nobody will get involved.....they make the money so why shouldnt they choose how much of it to give their employees......they could pay them less and save some in a bank.....but then they wont get the driver that the want......what they wont do is say oh lets give that extra we've made to the nurses.
 
 
going off on a tangent here, but WE do pay for it by virtue of ticket prices/food etc. try taking 2kids to a footy game these days and you'd have no change out of a ton, try flying to Abu Dhabi to watch Lewis and you'd have to be on mega bucks. If the event organisers cap wages and admission prices then we'd still have the same players competing
 
as for crap wages, well people are striking for better pay/pensions etc and all you hear off some are that they're greedy/selfish or WHY coz the strikers impinge on their daily lives like not being able to put the kids into school etc


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« Reply #14 on: 25 November 2014, 01:02:33 pm »
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and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.

Have you seen the ticket prices these days for F1, Premier League football etc?


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« Reply #15 on: 25 November 2014, 01:37:22 pm »
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and I don't think it harms the rest of us when a few top sportsmen and women do well out of it.

Have you seen the ticket prices these days for F1, Premier League football etc?

Actually, I think all this may well fall into the "I can't do anything about it, so there's no point getting worked up about it" category (otherwise known as politics), so I'm out  :lol

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« Reply #16 on: 25 November 2014, 01:51:54 pm »
Yeh at the end of the day dont buy the tickets.....if enough people do that then they will have to drop the prices.


I would love Sky TV.....i can afford it.......but i think £60 a month is foccin ridiculous........so i dont have it.......but millions of folk do pay that much to have it and u til they all opt out like me then they wont drop the prices.

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« Reply #17 on: 25 November 2014, 02:13:05 pm »
Yeh at the end of the day dont buy the tickets.....if enough people do that then they will have to drop the prices.


I would love Sky TV.....i can afford it.......but i think £60 a month is foccin ridiculous........so i dont have it.......but millions of folk do pay that much to have it and u til they all opt out like me then they wont drop the prices.
This. In the case of sportsmen/women, if you don't like it, vote with your feet. If nobody paid the exuberant prices for footy/f1/whatever other sport you watch, they would be forced to lower prices to get the punters in. Most of these top sportsmen are making more from advertising than they do their sport anyway...Beckham was making millions more from his Vodafone sponsorship than he ever was at man u, but end of the day, Vodafone customers were paying for that advertisement somewhere down the line too.

The only ones subsidising nhs doctors and nurses is us through our tax contributions...it only goes so far. I think the wages they get are scandalous (and my missus is a nurse), but our millions are spread throughout thousands of doctors and nurses. They only way for them to get more money is to either take more from the tax payers (all of us), or take money from somewhere else - schools or police etc.

I think they money politicians get is ridiculous too. I have said this before, but IMO the way politicians are paid is unfair....voting for their own wages. Who would vote no for their own massive wage rise?

Since the politicians love to beat us with the "fairness and equality" stick...how about their foccin wages are tied to the average national wage. If they want themselves to get a wage rise... Then they get the national average up and we all benefit a little. And the easiest way to get the national average up is to change the poorest and lowest paid, meaning a more balanced nation. But what do I know... I'm just a half-wit from Scotland :lol

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« Reply #18 on: 25 November 2014, 02:27:52 pm »
a half wit eh?
you must be a clever jock then :lol
seriously tho Mick, you make a very valid point about MP's wages being tied to a National average.......
I'll vote for you!

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« Reply #19 on: 25 November 2014, 02:39:50 pm »
I think the good people who work in the brewing industry should be on top dollar, without them life would just be shit!!!  :D

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« Reply #20 on: 25 November 2014, 05:02:16 pm »
We live in a capitalist society, what you earn is usually a proportion of how much money you can make someone else or a company.

Admittedly for people already in a career its difficult to move elsewhere, but if you're the type of person that prioritises a salary then you'll go to the type of career that pays well, and will work to get into it. Obviously doctors get paid well, but they have to spend 7 odd years training to get there. There won't be any nurses doing it for the money as if they put that as a priority they'll go elsewhere.


I'd personally agree with tying MP's wages to a national average - then keeping it in line with the average and inflation.


With regards to banking, yes, some people do get paid very, very well. But they also have to work their arses off to get there.
As some of you may know, I work in finance. At the moment I'm working in a brokerage and I earn a decent wage, but I'm looking to move to investment banking at one of the big international banks (hopefully Citibank).
I will be earning what would be classed as a very good wage there - starting salary for an analyst in front office is about 45k, you'll get a 4ish k sign on bonus, and then as a first year your bonus will likely be be about 25% of your salary, assuming your team makes money and the bank doesn't lose out massively (the actual investment banking division of most banks is usually a profit making section).

So, annual salary for a first year is about £60k (roughly). Fantastic sum of money for a starting salary, but lets break it down:
Firstly, if you've not got a degree, look elsewhere. I was lucky and paid £3.5kish for my undergraduate tuition fees for three years, plus I stayed on for a masters which cost another £9k. I've come out of uni with about £30k of debt (including living costs borrowed) for my degrees. Anyone following me now pays £9k a year in tuition fees, so would have about £45k in debt.


Then, after tax and NI based on a salary of £60k you actually bring home about £42k. Still a bloody good salary!
But the hours are grim. 100 hour weeks are normal, 70 hour weeks are considered good. This is not an exaggeration, most guys I know get one, maybe two weekend days off a month. Because of this, you have to work close to your office - all the analysts I know house-share, and in central London you're still looking at around £800-£1000 minimum for that, so now you're bringing home £32k. Still a good salary, until you work it out on an hourly wage.


So for an IB analyst, earning £60k, renting for about £10k a year, you'll be bringing home £32k. Based on a 90 hour average week, you're bringing home the grand total of £6.83 an hour.


Alternatively, earn the national average wage of £26,500, work a normal 40 hour week, and live somewhere for about £6k a year (terraced house in Kent for example), and you're earning £21k a year after tax, and you're earning £10.09 an hour.




Yes, the pay is good. Is it worth it? That's entirely for the person to decide.




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« Reply #21 on: 25 November 2014, 08:29:13 pm »
I'd never have guessed from your post that you work in finance lol.

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« Reply #22 on: 25 November 2014, 08:59:59 pm »
I'd never have guessed from your post that you work in finance lol.


Was it the first sentence  :lol

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« Reply #23 on: 25 November 2014, 09:15:27 pm »
Ha ha!...yeh fair play Joe for revealing that you're a banker......perhaps the admins can now make a special section for you, a few bars, big heavy doors, nice little toilet :b


I can see what you're saying & im pretty sure that you're being honest about it and it's good to hear that type of stuff.......i wouldnt go as far as to say "poor bankers".....but theres always a side that most of us dont hear about and it makes me a little smug because i earn a half decent wage yet i never went to Uni and i only have a 15 mile commute to work in area that affords me a decent if modest house for normal money......ok ive had to move about the country and ive had some pretty shit times.....im away from my family......more of a butterfly effect that just turned out ok rather than a planned approach but ill be stuck on this wage for a while and like you say you are talking about your starting wage so will hopefully fingers crossed progress quickly. It's still been your choice to go down that route though hasn't it ....i also have negative points...15 miles away is my max allowable distance from work i can live, i do unsociable hours and hardly get any weekends off, no bank holidays and no extra pay for working them......but the balance as a whole is very good...so i agree that i could move on again if the money was purely my drive...but personally im happy.....but i shouldnt criticise those who do want it......i suppose money doesnt always buy you happiness.....but having no money sure will get you misery...IMO....i've struck "my" happy medium.


& you're right.....we mostly all have some power to get a top earning job....but only if we have a little helping hand....we need some backing....it has now been proven that if you are born into a poor family then statistically the odds are poor of you ever getting there.....exceptions of course....sounds like you've done it yourself.....at a guess id say you're from an average working family......but not from a poor one....there is the least ammount of social mobility now that there has been in a long time in the UK.......the fact is that to make money you need money.....or to be provided that springboard from an early age by a decently well off family........the 2 things we use the most are banking and housing and if you are into any of those 2 then it's a win/win situation.............you also need to work your arse off as well..........but little Mavis the cleaner isnt gonna achieve that level of prosperty or social standing no matter how many hours she works.


We're still on a bit of a tangent here though arent we...end of the day banks are self serving and like you say they are in it for profit so why not.....if they are operating within the rules and under the normal culture for that proffession wth seeming impunity from any laws that they do break then happy days why shouldnt they..........it is indeed the politicians who run the country, have the power to change things........they are the ones that turn millions of honest people in their country into dishonest people......because they are leading by example as some of the most dishonest creatures on the planet.

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« Reply #24 on: 25 November 2014, 09:48:26 pm »



I think it is fair


If we are willing watch these sports then we are already saying that it is fair.......the money they earn doesnt come outta thin air or outta public funds...it isnt like the Gov't is saying "right we cant give nurses a pay rise because that money is earmarked for Lewis Hamilton"......his wages come from all the lucrative advertising, branding and ticket sales etc etc......from the punters spending their low wages to watch it......if it isnt fair then nobody will get involved.....they make the money so why shouldnt they choose how much of it to give their employees......they could pay them less and save some in a bank.....but then they wont get the driver that the want......what they wont do is say oh lets give that extra we've made to the nurses.




Do i agree with important workers not being paid more or being offered shit pay rises......NO.....it is the pits.....but that is a different debate altogether...at the end of the day they have it sussed......pay them just enough that when they are all fresh faced and looking for a career the money seems attractive......& then once they've been in 5 years it soon changes and how dare they get paid such a pittance........but lets just say they lowered it too much and nurses were on 13k a year then they'd have no nurses......so they are just chipping away bit by bit trying to find how low they can go before the nurses leave........& then they'll spend millions on a big recruitment drive and the next time they'll say right we cant go quite that low again........but we can try :'(

I agree,
But I think you missed one important point.
The sports stars wages ultimately come from from those that buy Season Tickets Club Shirts by Sky Sport Subscriptions, buy Star endorsed products.

People will pay for these things,
But ask them for more council tax to fix roads, more income tax to pay Health workers etc
They aren't so willing to cough up for those things,
coz if they had to do that, they wouldn't be able to pay for their ,Season Tickets. Club Shirts. by Sky Sport subscriptions, Star endorsed products. :\