If I were to.....................

[maddog04]

ride with my flip up lid, flipped up......
 
and pass both stationary and moving traffic within a zigzag zone albeit on the other side of the road......................would I be breaking the law?

[Rexr]

Most flip lids are illegal to ride with them in the up position, there are only a few that are legal to use as they have a locking device on the flip section, I know my shoei multitec is not legal to use like this, but to be honest I feel to exposed so quickly close it after pulling off

[maddog04]

that's a new one on me mate, I thought thy were all illegal to use in the up position

[sadlonelygit]

depends if it's a white beemer 1200 with a single seat and disco lights

[maddog04]

exactly my thoughts, sadlonelygit
coz I witnessed all this yesterday from a bike cop near me and I thought........he should no better (lid I can live with but zigzags a no no)

[sadlonelygit]

you can overtake on zigzags, however you must not overtake the vehicle nearest the crossing.
and what is this 'it's illegal to ride with the flip up' shit!
it must have a secure fastning that must be done up whilst riding and if a visor is fitted must meet BSi or EC regs.
that is all!

[stevierst]

Unless you have the Roof flip front. That's certified as an open face as well as full face I believe.
There are a few out there you can do it with.

[Frosties]

you can overtake on zigzags, however you must not overtake the vehicle nearest the crossing.

Many thanks for that fella....I've certainly learnt something - thought it was a no go on zigzags.

[maddog04]

twas a bit of a rhetorical question on my behalf.......
I'm sure a few years back all flips had to be closed when riding
the zigzags I knew about but this fella rode about 100m to the front of the traffic lights passing all in his way including those behind, at and ahead of the crossing

[Skippernick]

Bit like the cop i was behind just now doing 35plus in a 30, but when she had to drive between oncoming traffic and a parked car with enough room you could get a tank through, she had to stop, useless copper! What happens is she was on a call.

[stevierst]

What happens is she was on a call.

She'd put her blue lights on, and part the traffic like the red sea ofcourse! :

[Hedgetrimmer]

and what is this 'it's illegal to ride with the flip up' shit!
it must have a secure fastning that must be done up whilst riding and if a visor is fitted must meet BSi or EC regs.
that is all!

Yep, as far as I'm aware, this^^

If anyone knows different, perhaps you could show a source for your information. Too much bullshit gets peddled over this kind of thing, and it would be nice to know that people are talking FACTS. 

[Exupnut]

It IS ILLEGAL to ride with the flip up unless it gets its raiting with said flip up..,,bit no one really enforces it unless they r foccin jobsworth coppers. It's just not a priority for city police cos everybody does it and so therefore petty...But I did get stopped once in Gloucester for it.... I said to the copper " everybody does it in London even the coppers" his answer " we aint in London now are we sir" but i always have it down in the greenlanes on account of the bugs.... Had a few nasty whacks from some bee's b4....foccin hurts

[Punkstig]

He called you 'sir'!?

[sadlonelygit]

Sorry you're wrong
By your reckoning open face helmets are illegal and a visor cant be lifted
Being stopped by a jobsworth copper in Gloucestershire isnt exactly crown court evidence. They stopped me for a tinted headlight cover.
Did he quote the law or just get  high and mighty
S13/14/15 of the RTA doesn't mention it at all

[Hedgetrimmer]

Where does it say that it is illegal to ride with the flip-front up? Nowhere as far as I can find. I have searched all over for something definitive as laid down by the law, and there is nothing, just loads of layman-level discussion. True, you'd be daft to have it up much over 30mph (or whatever) 'cause the wind is gonna try and rip your head off, but law? No, not as far as I can see. As said, if you know better, PLEASE QUOTE SOURCE.

Even if flip-front helmets are tested with the chin-bar down and locked (and others have told me that the chin-bar itself is not crash-tested at all), that in itself still doesn't mean it's illegal to ride with it up.

And agreed, a copper telling you so is not gonna be enough - where is HIS source? Coppers do not know everything there is to know about the law.

[Simon.Pieman]

you can overtake on zigzags, however you must not overtake the vehicle nearest the crossing.

Many thanks for that fella....I've certainly learnt something - thought it was a no go on zigzags.

 What planet are you guys on? You must not overtake a 'motor vehicle' within the confines of the zigzags leading to a pedestrian crossing.

[Pat]

you can overtake on zigzags, however you must not overtake the vehicle nearest the crossing.

Many thanks for that fella....I've certainly learnt something - thought it was a no go on zigzags.

 What planet are you guys on? You must not overtake a 'motor vehicle' within the confines of the zigzags leading to a pedestrian crossing.

https://www.gov.uk/using-the-road-159-to-203/pedestrian-crossings-191-to-199

191 You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD regs 10, 27 & 28

[Doddsie]

When I got my Roof, it came with a list of bumph about changing the visor, cleaning the insides etc, It also said that it underwent testing as an open faced helmet and therefore could be used legally with the chin bar up OR down.

[dazza]

When I bought my flip up multi tech,  it said it had been tested in the up position at 180 mph.
If you don't believe me, ask the bloke that tested it.........

[richfzs]

Where does it say that it is illegal to ride with the flip-front up? Nowhere as far as I can find. I have searched all over for something definitive as laid down by the law, and there is nothing, just loads of layman-level discussion. True, you'd be daft to have it up much over 30mph (or whatever) 'cause the wind is gonna try and rip your head off, but law? No, not as far as I can see. As said, if you know better, PLEASE QUOTE SOURCE.

You won't find anything in the law says its illegal to ride with the flip "flipped", because that in itself isn't illegal. The lid, however, has to meet a set of criteria to get its BS / CE standard mark. The majority of lids are only tested with the flip down, in effect as a full face lid, to get their stamp of approval. So if you ride with it up, then you're not wearing a legal helmet. More and more lids are now starting to get tested both as a full face and a open face (and to do so, they must have the secure latch that someone mentioned), and these fellas you can ride with it up or down, as it has both certifications.

(and others have told me that the chin-bar itself is not crash-tested at all),

I believe that to be complete garbage - AIUI, the chin bar has to take the same test as a standard full face

And agreed, a copper telling you so is not gonna be enough - where is HIS source? Coppers do not know everything there is to know about the law.

Indeedy they do not 

[Grahamm]

191 You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD regs 10, 27 & 28

Interestingly, the definition of "overtake" (see ) is when your front wheel passes the line of the front wheels of the vehicle ahead.

Consequently, you just need to adjust the timing of your approach such that *their* front wheels cross the Stop Line (if a light-controlled crossing) or the dashes in front of a Zebra crossing first, then you can pass them legally

[midden]

191 You MUST NOT park on a crossing or in the area covered by the zig-zag lines. You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians.
Laws ZPPPCRGD regs 18, 20 & 24, RTRA sect 25(5) & TSRGD regs 10, 27 & 28

Interestingly, the definition of "overtake" (see ) is when your front wheel passes the line of the front wheels of the vehicle ahead.

Consequently, you just need to adjust the timing of your approach such that *their* front wheels cross the Stop Line (if a light-controlled crossing) or the dashes in front of a Zebra crossing first, then you can pass them legally

You may have just discovered a new mounting position for the action cam.
'If you look at my photostart hofficer you will see the car front wheels had passed the stop line, so I was legally hentitled to overtake *hic*

[TonyW]

On the label sewn usually to the strap of your helmet will be  a number something like 05XXXXX/P-0XXXXXX, or 05XXXXX/J-0XXXXXX  or finally 05XXXXX/P-J-0XXXXX
P is tested for full face approval
J is tested for open face approval
P-J is Full and open approval
Unless the helmet is approved P-J it is illegal to use a flip front helmet with the chin bar open.

[Exupnut]

Sorry you're wrong
By your reckoning open face helmets are illegal and a visor cant be lifted
Being stopped by a jobsworth copper in Gloucestershire isnt exactly crown court evidence. They stopped me for a tinted headlight cover.
Did he quote the law or just get  high and mighty
S13/14/15 of the RTA doesn't mention it at all

Sorry your wrong??? Dont fink so mate...