the clarkson debate

[caretaker]

dont know what your views on this are, but i think it's just typical non-pc clarkson. no big deal. but the comical thing about this is that harriet harman is calling for his resignation. i was aware of her involvement with the paedophile exchange long before the daily mail brought it to the public's attention. she never condemned their efforts to lower the age of consent to 10 or their attempt to make photos of children legal. racism i can live with, paedophilia is in 'bullet to the head' territory as far as i'm concerned.

[esetest]

I bet he wishes he said ' dip dip bird shit. ' 

[Kosmic Kartman]

racism i can live with,....

Why?

[midden]

Went straight over my head. But that'll be like most 'racial' innuendo, not offensive untill some prat makes the link.......
Even now I cringe if a coloured bloke is nearby when I ask for a black coffee 

[caretaker]

i know people tend to think of racism as a colour thing but i've had some stick when i was younger for being half german. i have a number of polish mates i ride with and they put up with the abuse because it's sort of accepted. having delved into my family history, i found that my grandad was polish and my gran a romanian gipsy which would explain why my shed is full of bike junk!

[Fazerider]

If the Daily Mirror or their audio forensic "experts" hadn't known how the rhyme went they would never have figured out what he was trying to avoid saying. It was less clear than the mumbliest bits of "Jamaica Inn" that everyone was getting so worked up about a week ago. Also less offensive than his recent "slope" remark.. which was not only deliberate, but went to air.
At least the Mirror's own poll has backfired on them, scoring 79% in favour of his not being sacked over the "incident". Not that that'll stop them jumping on his next slightly off-colour utterance.

[Punkstig]

Hes a miserable old sod that dislikes everything and everyone equally, does this make the slur right?
Well in this day and age, no.
As a kid I remember using that rhyme along with that word when playing tag, and I am by no means racist.
Subconsciously he knew it was wrong by mumbling the whole sentence, but he just didn't consciously think it through!
I don't think he's racist- as I said before, he's just miserable.
I enjoy the programme and his old page he had in the sun.

[lew600fazer]

dont know what your views on this are, but i think it's just typical non-pc clarkson. no big deal. but the comical thing about this is that harriet harman is calling for his resignation. i was aware of her involvement with the paedophile exchange long before the daily mail brought it to the public's attention. she never condemned their efforts to lower the age of consent to 10 or their attempt to make photos of children legal. racism i can live with, paedophilia is in 'bullet to the head' territory as far as i'm concerned.

As quoted in the DAILY MAIL get yer fucking facts right you TORY PRICK ref:Harriet Harman

[mtread]

Not that I'm a fan of (attention seeker, overpaid) Clarkson, but it's how you use words that matter, not what you say.
Didn't Harman call Danny Alexander a 'Ginger Rodent' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228 ?
Perhaps she shouldn't be such a hypocrite ?

[lew600fazer]

Not that I'm a fan of (attention seeker, overpaid) Clarkson, but it's how you use words that matter, not what you say.
Didn't Harman call Danny Alexander a 'Ginger Rodent' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228 ?
Perhaps she shouldn't be such a hypocrite ?

Think, having watched the vid clip that was rather tongue in cheek at least she never used the word nigger, Clarkson has been pushing the boundaries for sometime now.
All I will say shame she was not the leader of the Labour party got more about her than most off those twats.

[stevierst]

This country has gone totally frigging mad, pathetic even!

[lew600fazer]

This country has gone totally frigging mad, pathetic even!

That is why I live in Spain mate, it is fecked, just like the UK, but at least the weather is great and the price of a pint is even better , plus get to ride my bike as often as I like.
Sorry but I am a shit stirring auld git

[stevierst]

This country has gone totally frigging mad, pathetic even!

That is why I live in Spain mate, it is fecked, just like the UK, but at least the weather is great and the price of a pint is even better , plus get to ride my bike as often as I like.
Sorry but I am a shit stirring auld git

There's nothing like a bit of smugness to kick someone in the balls! :P
Cheers lew600fazer. [Mumble, mumble, mumble]

[slimwilly]

I dont know if any black people have complained,,


just the white gutter press stirring it up i guess..


I have a black bloke coming here later , i will ask him about it,,i am guessing his answer,,,,he will probably say "what a load of bollox"

[Hedgetrimmer]

i know people tend to think of racism as a colour thing but i've had some stick when i was younger for being half german. i have a number of polish mates i ride with and they put up with the abuse because it's sort of accepted. having delved into my family history, i found that my grandad was polish and my gran a romanian gipsy which would explain why my shed is full of bike junk!

 
Sssshhhhh!! caretaker's here.......for God's sake don't mention ze var! 

[mtread]

Think, having watched the vid clip that was rather tongue in cheek at least she never used the word nigger, Clarkson has been pushing the boundaries for sometime now.
All I will say shame she was not the leader of the Labour party got more about her than most off those twats.

As a life long Labour supporter, and she used to be my MP, I'm glad she wasn't !
As this man pointed out, it's just a word. It's what you use it for that matters http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2318652/Reginald-D-Hunter-PFA-gig-Comedian-defends-use-N-word.html
Something still makes me think this is just another Clarkson self publicity stunt

[Drax]

IMO - These days you can't say jack shit without having to contemplate the fall out.

 A spade is a spade yes? Nothing racist about the is there? Or is there?

When I was a kid all this racist crap never existed.  (What I mean is walking on eggshells all the time.- as someone said 'cringing when asking for a black coffee - its Americano now?'

Also.. none of the people I went to school with had ADHD or whatever it's called - I believe that 1 in 10 kids now have it (10%)!

WTF?

[Frosties]

IMO - These days you can't say jack shit without having to contemplate the fall out.

 A spade is a spade yes? Nothing racist about the is there? Or is there?

When I was a kid all this racist crap never existed.  (What I mean is walking on eggshells all the time.- as someone said 'cringing when asking for a black coffee - its Americano now?'

Also.. none of the people I went to school with had ADHD or whatever it's called - I believe that 1 in 10 kids now have it (10%)!

WTF?

What Drax said basically. PC bullshit and people trying to elevate their own status by complaing. Feckin madness.........

[ChristoT]

Another problem with PC that I've encountered is that nowadays, if you can't be pigeon holed, you're ostracized.

Part of the reason I love being a biker.

[chaz]

How come there wasn't an outcry when he was going on about bikers near his home, he said " nothing a length of wire streched across the road won't solve" or was I the only person watching that program?

[ChristoT]

How come there wasn't an outcry when he was going on about bikers near his home, he said " nothing a length of wire streched across the road won't solve" or was I the only person watching that program?

Because after the first bike, people would be riding up with baseball bats...

[rustyrider]

As someone earlier said, it's not what is said but it's how it's said.  Not only that, it's who is saying it.  About 4 years ago I was taking responsibility for removing London's many pirate radio stations and was being shown some of the less salubrious tower blocks in London where they put their transmitters.  We took one station off air and the guy I was to replace was explaining that the owner of this station would often turn up but was harmless enough.  At this point a tatty Escort van pulled into the street and drove slowly towards us.  Thinking it might be the station owner, we stood there watching it as it drove up.  As it get level with us the driver wound down his window, looked at us and said, "What's the matter, have you guys never seen a nigger before?"

So he can say it when talking about himself but nobody else, or at least no white person, can say it about him.  How does that work then?

[Deefer666]

Who cares? The role Clarkson plays is an ass, but that's all it is A ROLE. He has made a great deal of money by saying controversial and sometimes offensive stuff, which is why there are idiots hanging off his every word in the hope that they can scandalise it and bring him down.

Surely there is more important things going on in the world to be filling the news rather than what some podgy, over the hill, TV celeb might or might not have said?

[midden]

Not that I'm a fan of (attention seeker, overpaid) Clarkson, but it's how you use words that matter, not what you say.
Didn't Harman call Danny Alexander a 'Ginger Rodent' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228 ?
Perhaps she shouldn't be such a hypocrite ?

Think, having watched the vid clip that was rather tongue in cheek at least she never used the word nigger, Clarkson has been pushing the boundaries for sometime now.
All I will say shame she was not the leader of the Labour party got more about her than most off those twats.

Oh  I'm awake now, I missed this one thought it was still going on about the slope comment.......
Ginger rodent is just as bad and/or humorous and shouldn't be excused as tongue and cheek. It should be one rule across the board. In fact in comparison it's worse as it was actually directed at a person. Just that that person probably laughed it off.
Makes me laugh how the 'N' word is so taboo when a white person uses it (in any context) yet it's ok for coloured people to call each other it in  public and in fact write it in to song lyrics.


Interestingly I'm glad but surprised that 'Stupidity' hadn't bleeped out Nigger in the 'Dam busters' the last time I watched it

[midden]

Who cares? The role Clarkson plays is an ass, but that's all it is A ROLE. He has made a great deal of money by saying controversial and sometimes offensive stuff, which is why there are idiots hanging off his every word in the hope that they can scandalise it and bring him down.

Surely there is more important things going on in the world to be filling the news rather than what some podgy, over the hill, TV celeb might or might not have said?