Project Fazer: The build thread

[ChristoT]

I was thinking on basis of cure being thicker nut which uses all thread on the shaft, so spacers behind would effectively reduce the advantage of extra thread.


talon sprocket?

Well...

The cure is to a problem that doesn't exist. Accoding to the God of Fazer Engines (Deefer), the sprocket nut should be torqued to either 90Nm or 100Nm (I can't remember which), then the spinning engine does the final tweak up. An air gun torques to 120Nm, which is too much. When the engine does its spin up, it overtorques the nut, risking stripping the thread. The thicker nut allows more "give", and a greater tolerance.

If I understand correctly, the Talon sprocket is shaped to offset the teeth, with the central part staying in position. I certainly don't plan on chucking a couple of washers behind the sprocket!!

[mickvp]

something like this would be the way to go I think

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-OFFSET-FRONT-SPROCKET-YAMAHA-MADE-TO-ORDER-/251288315500

[Dead Eye]

Don't suppose you still have those barely used springs?

Unfortunately not; they were donated for free to a lucky foccer on the forums over 6 months ago... I forget who now - think it was Fazerider

[ChristoT]

something like this would be the way to go I think

http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNIQUE-OFFSET-FRONT-SPROCKET-YAMAHA-MADE-TO-ORDER-/251288315500

That's the one!

Hopefully a bit cheaper though! 

[Dead Eye]

Ok, so the sprocket is a solvable problem, but have you checked clearances against the frame and sprocket cover?

[ChristoT]

I'm going to attempt a clearance check in the next few weeks. Debating whether to mock up some aluminum spacers to clearance, wheel alignment etc.

[midden]

Oooo it is getting exciting

[Lawrence]

Don't forget the front sprocket nut has a lip round the edge.  You could shave that off and space the sprocket out a couple of mm without affecting the amount of thread being used at all.

[ChristoT]

Mini update!

Both good news and bad!

The good news: the selector forks are fine. So after washing, then engine's going back together.

The bad news (kinda): I'm going to have to abandon the Bros arm idea for the time being. It's going to be way too much work and money to modify UNLESS! There's a Foccer who can weld aluminium to structural quality who can help me out on it cheaply.

But never fear! I still plan on changing the swingarm: what's the point of a tricked up rear end if you have a boring stock swingarm? The (new) hunt begins! I'm looking at something like a Thunderace arm: any other ideas?

[mickvp]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

[ChristoT]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

Nah, that's boring! I really like the potential for individualisation a custom offers. 

[JoeRock]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

Nah, that's boring! I really like the potential for individualisation a custom offers. 

Aren;t really gonna be any swingarms that are a particularly easy fit mate, unless you just happen to get lucky?

[ChristoT]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

Nah, that's boring! I really like the potential for individualisation a custom offers. 

Aren;t really gonna be any swingarms that are a particularly easy fit mate, unless you just happen to get lucky?

Whatever I get will need modding, it's just a case of how much it needs. The Bros was unfortunate in that nothing actually adds up: the suspension is different, the fixing to the frame is different, the chain is different... and so on and so forth. At least it was only £50 off ebay (and back there it shall most likely go!)

There's a VFR swingarm that Deefer says might be a a better fit, so I'm going to trawl ebay, as I'm still a sucker for that single sided look!

[red98]

morning christo........use the bros arm to get the dimensions you require,a drawing would be good,and then get yourself down to your local breaker,the bigger the better and see if he will let you rummage through his stock,plenty to choose from there and you might get lucky with something you would never of guessed might fit sat on your backside at home  ...will also give you lots of new idea`s   


or......go all retro and fit twin shocks.........................................

[rustyrider]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

I've been saying that all along.  A few cosmetic mods maybe, if that's what you want (although personally I think they got the styling about spot on in the first place) but leave the mechanics alone.

[snapper]

Christo I may have missed this but why the bro swing arm , most people use the VFR , is it just to be different ? or a reason behind it ?

[Lawrence]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

This.  I reckon you're going to build it up and then not be able to insure it because it's highly modified.

[HarryHornby]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

This.  I reckon you're going to build it up and then not be able to insure it because it's highly modified.

We spoke about this at the weekend while having a cuppa (and a fry up, Midden) at Rye.
Christo - Hello I'd like to insure my bike
Insurer - Yes Sir, what's the make
Christo - It's a Kawayamahonki
Insurer - OK *click* (as they put the phone down) 

[His Dudeness]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

This.  I reckon you're going to build it up and then not be able to insure it because it's highly modified.

You're getting far too sensible  It's a project bike. It's done to learn new skills and knowledge and hopefully have something new and unique at the end of it. He can always put it back to standard if he wants or has to

[ChristoT]

Christo I may have missed this but why the bro swing arm , most people use the VFR , is it just to be different ? or a reason behind it ?

I got the Bros arm because it was cheap! I paid £50 for the entire rear end; a gamble that didn't pay off. But at that price, it was worth a punt.

It's going to be too much of a pain in the arse to modify, so I've just bought a VFR750 swingarm cheap off ebay. OK, it was dearer than the Bros, but cheaper than most! And is already has a cross brace/bar, and has rising link suspension mounts as standard.

Anyone want a Bros rear end?

[His Dudeness]

Christo I may have missed this but why the bro swing arm , most people use the VFR , is it just to be different ? or a reason behind it ?

I got the Bros arm because it was cheap! I paid £50 for the entire rear end; a gamble that didn't pay off. But at that price, it was worth a punt.

It's going to be too much of a pain in the arse to modify, so I've just bought a VFR750 swingarm cheap off ebay. OK, it was dearer than the Bros, but cheaper than most! And is already has a cross brace/bar, and has rising link suspension mounts as standard.

Anyone want a Bros rear end?

ebay it!

[ChristoT]

Christo I may have missed this but why the bro swing arm , most people use the VFR , is it just to be different ? or a reason behind it ?

I got the Bros arm because it was cheap! I paid £50 for the entire rear end; a gamble that didn't pay off. But at that price, it was worth a punt.

It's going to be too much of a pain in the arse to modify, so I've just bought a VFR750 swingarm cheap off ebay. OK, it was dearer than the Bros, but cheaper than most! And is already has a cross brace/bar, and has rising link suspension mounts as standard.

Anyone want a Bros rear end?

ebay it!

Going on there tonight.

[alan sherman]

I thought  you were too skint to get a replacement bike after the first crash.  So where is all this ebay cash coming from on top of buying the Peugeot and Fazer?

Do you have some kind of vision of what you are trying to achieve?  maybe a photoshopped mock up?

[ChristoT]

I thought  you were too skint to get a replacement bike after the first crash.  So where is all this ebay cash coming from on top of buying the Peugeot and Fazer?

Do you have some kind of vision of what you are trying to achieve?  maybe a photoshopped mock up?

After the first (sic) crash, I thought I was going to the US on placement. That fell through, I came back to the UK and got a different, paying placement.

The Peugeot came from a loan from my parents (with about a million conditions attached...), and I picked up this Fazer for £250 (within my budget, just).

I am funding the project bit by bit, and am just about succeeding.

Donations of parts or funds are always appreciated though!

[midden]

I have an idea. Build the standard fazer, and enjoy it

This.  I reckon you're going to build it up and then not be able to insure it because it's highly modified.

We spoke about this at the weekend while having a cuppa (and a fry up, Midden) at Rye.
Christo - Hello I'd like to insure my bike
Insurer - Yes Sir, what's the make
Christo - It's a Kawayamahonki
Insurer - OK *click* (as they put the phone down) 

Sure you missed off da   kawayamahonkida
I may have heard wrong with all clicking of cameras taking snapshots of Granny crunching rather loudy on her humungous chicken wrap.
Twas enough to put me off my brunch it was