Post by: ChristoT on 10 August 2013, 10:48:18 pm
"The bike will lean better round corners" - are you sure?
Ok, I see it for a one-off trip where you'll be using mostly motorways, but I definitely don't see it improving handling. Plus, you said about your panniers being wider than your bars, yet you're going for a 2 wheel design, "max width"?
The main reason I mention the panniers' width is because they lean with me!! A trailer won't, the weight is purely a drag factor (in terms of cornering forces). As for the trip, it certainly won't be one off, but it should be a rare occurence. And the trailer will only be used as a "mule" - lugging large volumes long distances, not for anything exciting.
Also think Mickvp may be right about where you mount it from, although I also wonder about the strain on the rear wheel spindle with Luke's example.
I'm not keen on attaching to the swingarm as a) I want it detachable (no welds, or brazing on our ally swingarms), b) I want to tow not inconsiderable loads, and c) extra strain on the chain and axle. My swingarm is a bit focced - previous owner dented it, overtightening the axle bolts!! :eek
although, if your mounting to the pillion peg, wont that mean the trailer affects the rear suspension on the bike? if you mounted it to the swingarmlike luke it would be "lighter" as it is unsprung weight?
Micky - you are quite right, it is sprung weight. But because there will be an additional pivot (the trailer axle), the effective vertical force on the shock will be reduced, as the load will be shared by the rear mount and the trailer axle.
I look forward to seeing it anyway, sounds like an interesting build (I asume you will have some sort of "swivel" mounting so you can still lean over with it fitted?)
Just going for a standard car tow ball. I don't plan on going mad round corners with the trailer. The chap building me the bracket uses this, and leans his bike further than I do round roundabouts (sans trailer, let it be said though)!!
I'm hoping to get a small car box trailer (ebay, gumtree etc) then do it up with better bodywork / a lid. Then use that. :)
Post by: rustyrider on 10 August 2013, 11:11:46 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 10 August 2013, 11:16:50 pm
Just a couple of thoughts from someone that regularly tows around 3 tonnes behind a Range Rover. The most important thing is getting the loading right to keep the nose weight on the trailer within limits. On a car you should arrange it so that you have around 50 kilos on the tow hitch. Your problem is going to be that with a hitch attached to the bike (pillion pegs), that sort of weight would be way too high and would be the same as carrying an overweight pillion. So you would need to load the trailer so the weight on the hitch is as low as possible. Unfortunately that will bring it's own problems. Too little weight on the hitch will cause the trailer to pivot on the axle and rattle the hell out of the hitch. Driving a car (even a Range Rover on air suspension) with a rattling tow hitch is both uncomfortable and bloody annoying, on a bike it will try to lift your back wheel off the ground!
Thanks for the input!
The chap helping me build my rig tows loads behind his bike (albeit from a swingarm mounted bracket), but says the same about the forward load. I'm planning to go roughly 2/3s (maybe slightly less) of the load forward of the axle, to ensure decent nose-down attitude.
As for the weight, I'm used to heavy loads on the rear (HUGE sidebags). A trailer seems to be a more comfortable way around this, maybe even reducing the effective load on the tyre and suspension.
Post by: Doddsie on 10 August 2013, 11:33:13 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 10 August 2013, 11:38:17 pm
Is a small car box trailer not gonna cause problems when it bounces..... as they all do???
Yes and no.
Many small trailers have no suspension at all, so plays at being Captain Kangaroo (the Erde trailer Dad has at home for the minibus is like this). I'm hoping to find one with a bit of damping, which should absorb quite a bit.
Anyway, when heavily loaded, the trailer won't bounce as much, as the weight will keep it down. :)
The chap on the 125 has max size trailer, with basic suspension, and a dry weight of 60kg. Following him at 50ish, the trailer seemed pretty well settled.
Post by: DryRob on 10 August 2013, 11:42:28 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 10 August 2013, 11:46:11 pm
The rear axle is hollowed out, could you not attach via a rod through that? You might have to modify the connecting arm to rotate/flex as your bike leans through bends though but it would keep the weight off your suspension
I'll have to check that in the morning, I thought it was a solid bar!!
The same applies as before though - I don't want it pulling on the back wheel, as it could knacker the sprockets & chain. And then I add in strength fears.
There's a chap on FB who will hopefully join FOC-U soon - he had a bracket made professionally for his 600. Which bolts directly to the pillion peg brackets. I suspect that this is the best place for it on our models.
Post by: simonm on 11 August 2013, 12:16:39 am
This link seems to have decent advice: http://pbmotorcycletrailer.com/how-to-build-a-homemade-pull-behind-motorcycle-cargo-trailer-that-does-not-look-homemade/ (http://pbmotorcycletrailer.com/how-to-build-a-homemade-pull-behind-motorcycle-cargo-trailer-that-does-not-look-homemade/)
The idea of a trailer on a Fazer makes me sad :-( I thought trailers were only for Harley riders. Slow heavyweight cruisers rather than lightweight high revving sport commuter bikes.
Post by: ChristoT on 11 August 2013, 12:18:54 am
I thought this thread was about towing girls who lived in trailers around. My head is in a whole new universe.
This link seems to have decent advice: [url]http://pbmotorcycletrailer.com/how-to-build-a-homemade-pull-behind-motorcycle-cargo-trailer-that-does-not-look-homemade/[/url] ([url]http://pbmotorcycletrailer.com/how-to-build-a-homemade-pull-behind-motorcycle-cargo-trailer-that-does-not-look-homemade/[/url])
The idea of a trailer on a Fazer makes me sad :-( I thought trailers were only for Harley riders. Slow heavyweight cruisers rather than lightweight high revving sport commuter bikes.
Ta for the link!
You know the lads at MCN hold the world speed record for towing a trailer behind a bike? 139.5mph behind a Kwak 1100!! :eek :eek
EDIT: It was an 1100, not a 1400, sorry! Proof (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-2000/motorcycle-and-trailer-speed-record/).
Post by: DryRob on 11 August 2013, 12:24:18 am
Post by: rustyrider on 11 August 2013, 01:18:59 am
Is a small car box trailer not gonna cause problems when it bounces..... as they all do???Some of the small trailers have Indespension units, a square tube, inside a larger square tube but with rubber in between. The work fine when the trailer is loaded but may as well be solid when empty. In saying that, even a half tonne car transporter trailer bounces when empty......
Post by: DryRob on 11 August 2013, 01:30:42 am
Post by: Dead Eye on 11 August 2013, 08:56:43 am
Post by: ChristoT on 11 August 2013, 09:37:06 am
That's only an option if you have a car ;)
Or even a license for one...
Post by: Punkstig on 11 August 2013, 10:16:13 am
And once its all built and sorted go for several rides with an empty trailer to get used to the feel of everything before loading it up!
Post by: noggythenog on 11 August 2013, 11:10:00 am
Trailer still sounds cool though
Post by: DryRob on 11 August 2013, 12:29:37 pm
Post by: rustyrider on 11 August 2013, 12:36:43 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 11 August 2013, 01:14:29 pm
No point trying it with an empty trailer, the difference will be so great it won't be anything like representative. Unless you go stupid with the weight you put in it, it probably won't be much difference to carrying a pillion.
That's my hope!
Dave - less stuff is unfortunately not an option.
Noggy - the amounts I lug would be expensive to courier, and a trailer is reusable. Plus, I need most of it regularly!
Post by: slimwilly on 11 August 2013, 03:00:04 pm
Post by: seangee on 11 August 2013, 03:40:58 pm
Here's a thread (http://www.triumphrat.net/sprint-forum/189608-towing-with-gt-3.html)on someone who did it on a different bike.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 12 August 2013, 11:41:25 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 12 August 2013, 11:54:52 pm
The bike still needs a towbar, the trailer needs some small mods, and I need to repaint it. I have a black bike, I gots to have a black trailer! Not red.
Funny, I never used to think I was a fashion diva!! :lol :lol :lol
Post by: fireblake on 13 August 2013, 08:06:54 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 13 August 2013, 08:11:17 pm
I don't think we have to wait to mock you young nemesis :D
Thanks for proving my point, Mickey!! :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Dead Eye on 13 August 2013, 11:20:21 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 13 August 2013, 11:30:21 pm
Post by: noggythenog on 14 August 2013, 11:43:36 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 14 August 2013, 04:57:28 pm
Post by: red98 on 14 August 2013, 05:19:29 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 14 August 2013, 05:22:31 pm
Red - the tow hitch and trailer are replacing my panniers, make my life easier and comfier. So the load is only slightly increased, as drag. Although I haven't pulled it yet, the chap who towed it behind his bike from Basignstoke said it was nicer to tow, and lighter than his own one! In other words: a keeper.
As for weight, the trailer will be taking some of the load through its own axle. It might even work out lighter on the suspension this way!!
Post by: ChristoT on 14 August 2013, 08:33:43 pm
That's just a mock up, a few things need changing - and a towbar needs fitting! :lol :lol
It's galvanised steel - but lousy galvanising, has a few rust spots. Quite light, I'd say 40 / 50kg dry weight. The suspension is a transverse leaf spring. Lid is hinged, and has that handy grab rail allows ample bungieing space! :)
Trailer! |
The trailer needs a few mods:
- Lid needs spinning through 180 degrees
- Trailer needs painting black
- Shorter tow bar (hitch to trailer body)
- Wiring re-routing
And a few various cosmetic touches! :)
Post by: red98 on 14 August 2013, 08:41:18 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 14 August 2013, 08:42:15 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 14 August 2013, 08:51:53 pm
iam still not convinced CHRISTO.....i do hope it works out ok but looking at your picture,the trailer makes the fazer look small :rolleyes ......how much does the trailer weigh on its own ?
See above. 40kg / 50kg dry weight. Not 100% sure, I just know Tony found it much lighter than his own 60kg one.
I'll be better without the mile and a half of metal bar between the bike and the body. And the red makes it look bigger than it is! The trailer is 1m wide (max permissible), and the body is about 1.3m long, by a max of 40/50cms deep (I'm guessing).
Post by: noggythenog on 14 August 2013, 08:55:21 pm
Ive towed my bike back & forth to scotland a couple times now & even with a purpose built trailer ive had some teething problems, last time i got to scotland with my trailer tyres almost down to canvas in the middle which turned out be wheel alignment due to wheel to axle being bolted on only slightly out of line.plus i focced up my fairing with the ratchet straps oops :rolleyes ,but you dont know til you try do you.
I always carry a trolley jack in the boot plus a spare trailer wheel but you dont have the luxury of having a car to put such luxuries in.
End o the day its a fairly simple concept,if you can pull a cart with a horse then sure as foc you can do it with a bike & trailer but all id say is you'll be cought up in the technicalities but remember to have good tyres,bearings,well greased & a good contingency in place & get lots o pics up along the way. :thumbup
Post by: ChristoT on 14 August 2013, 09:03:11 pm
Give it a try but make sure youve got breakdown cover.
Ive towed my bike back & forth to scotland a couple times now & even with a purpose built trailer ive had some teething problems, last time i got to scotland with my trailer tyres almost down to canvas in the middle which turned out be wheel alignment due to wheel to axle being bolted on only slightly out of line.plus i focced up my fairing with the ratchet straps oops :rolleyes ,but you dont know til you try do you.
I always carry a trolley jack in the boot plus a spare trailer wheel but you dont have the luxury of having a car to put such luxuries in.
End o the day its a fairly simple concept,if you can pull a cart with a horse then sure as foc you can do it with a bike & trailer but all id say is you'll be cought up in the technicalities but remember to have good tyres,bearings,well greased & a good contingency in place & get lots o pics up along the way. :thumbup
Not worth getting a year of breakdown cover for only a month of use! As for a boot, I have the trailer for that!
The trailer will get plenty of road testing before I take it to France via Holland - a slow trip of 1000 miles. Regular tyre / fastening checks all along the way, of course!!
Contingency plan = having phone numbers of friends along my route!! :lol :lol
Post by: noggythenog on 14 August 2013, 09:09:10 pm
Give it a try but make sure youve got breakdown cover.
Ive towed my bike back & forth to scotland a couple times now & even with a purpose built trailer ive had some teething problems, last time i got to scotland with my trailer tyres almost down to canvas in the middle which turned out be wheel alignment due to wheel to axle being bolted on only slightly out of line.plus i focced up my fairing with the ratchet straps oops :rolleyes ,but you dont know til you try do you.
I always carry a trolley jack in the boot plus a spare trailer wheel but you dont have the luxury of having a car to put such luxuries in.
End o the day its a fairly simple concept,if you can pull a cart with a horse then sure as foc you can do it with a bike & trailer but all id say is you'll be cought up in the technicalities but remember to have good tyres,bearings,well greased & a good contingency in place & get lots o pics up along the way. :thumbup
Not worth getting a year of breakdown cover for only a month of use! As for a boot, I have the trailer for that!
The trailer will get plenty of road testing before I take it to France via Holland - a slow trip of 1000 miles. Regular tyre / fastening checks all along the way, of course!!
Contingency plan = having phone numbers of friends along my route!! :lol :lol
The lord says he's pretty sure im ok..........but your Focced!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol
Post by: His Dudeness on 14 August 2013, 11:11:04 pm
Post by: fireblake on 15 August 2013, 03:45:13 pm
I have a mate who can get you some discount to join the caravan club if you want? :rollin
Mickey the chatty man.
Post by: ChristoT on 22 August 2013, 11:58:17 pm
Just need to wire it in, and I'm good to go! :)
Tow hitch |
Post by: Exupnut on 23 August 2013, 09:08:39 am
Post by: locksmith on 23 August 2013, 09:47:31 am
I know nothing about these things but it doesn't look heavy duty enough to me?
Are you allowed to make diy towbars, don't these sort of things have to have type approval or something?
Post by: richfzs on 23 August 2013, 10:28:00 am
Post by: ChristoT on 23 August 2013, 06:42:43 pm
Fortunately we don't have type approval in this country (yet)
As every motorbike has a tow rating of zero, every system is bespoke anyway, be it built by a pro or an amateur.
As for the frame, yes it does clear - but no hooning for me.
As for heavy duty, it's solid steel!! 8)
Post by: ChristoT on 23 August 2013, 08:59:04 pm
Does it bolt through the grab rail on each side? And where do the lower legs attach to and how?
Yes, the load bearing arms attach to (and above) the rack/grabrail mounts.
The towing arms attach to the back of the pillion footrests. :)
Post by: slimwilly on 23 August 2013, 11:14:50 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 23 August 2013, 11:19:39 pm
Trailered |
Can I call myself the Foc-U pulling expert now? :lol :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 August 2013, 11:21:14 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 23 August 2013, 11:25:10 pm
How's that going to be when it's all loaded up - or is that how you tried it?
That's empty.
That's also going at a top speed of 50mph.
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 23 August 2013, 11:28:56 pm
How's that going to be when it's all loaded up - or is that how you tried it?
That's empty.
That's also going at a top speed of 50mph.
Oo er, go careful when you do test it loaded matey! How's it going to react to an emergency stop, or even fairly hard braking?
Post by: ChristoT on 23 August 2013, 11:39:09 pm
How's that going to be when it's all loaded up - or is that how you tried it?
That's empty.
That's also going at a top speed of 50mph.
Oo er, go careful when you do test it loaded matey! How's it going to react to an emergency stop, or even fairly hard braking?
I don't intend to find out!! :eek :eek :eek
Actually, it feels pretty stable. Everything just takes longer.
Post by: locksmith on 24 August 2013, 09:44:17 am
Post by: ChristoT on 24 August 2013, 12:47:51 pm
Cant wait till he tries filtering :lol
Challenge accepted. :rollin :rollin :rollin
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 August 2013, 12:50:45 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 24 August 2013, 01:12:37 pm
Trailer ''filtering'' |
Told ya I could filter on a trailer!! :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 August 2013, 01:19:47 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 24 August 2013, 01:21:20 pm
You need a topbox as well?!! Do you do quotes for a house removals service? :lol
Special rates for Foccers!! :lol :lol
I'm bringing stuff back to France from the UK for friends as well as all my clobber - so far, I've been asked for bacon, sausages, 60L of paint, and maybe half a Ford Escort. :rollin
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 24 August 2013, 01:33:05 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 24 August 2013, 01:38:39 pm
You mean you can't buy any of those in France? Do they know ze var ist ofer, und rationing ist finished? :lol
The French don't sell bacon - they're very insular in their food. And English bangers taste different.
As for the paint, it needs to be Wickes'. And the French don't do 2nd hand or car bodging the weay we Brits do. :)
Post by: red98 on 25 August 2013, 09:19:14 am
Post by: ChristoT on 25 August 2013, 12:25:16 pm
some good work here CHRISTO well done for seeing it through......please be carefull though,take plenty of time loading the thing...balance and load, as you know is very important ;)
Drive it like you were a lorry! :lol
But yes. I may be insane as to amount I load my bike, but I'm paranoid about the load. Always stop an hour into a trip to ensure the baggage has settled well - and I remember on one occasion, I had to pull off sharpish as I'd noticed the rain cover on a pannier had nearly fallen off!! :eek
Post by: ChristoT on 25 August 2013, 11:58:14 pm
<img src="http://foc-u.co.uk/MGalleryItem.php?id=1126" alt="" />
<img src="http://foc-u.co.uk/MGalleryItem.php?id=1129" alt="" />
Post by: slimwilly on 26 August 2013, 07:43:06 am
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 07:46:01 am
Post by: mr self destruct on 26 August 2013, 07:56:57 am
Been following this thread with interest and think you're a genius! :D
It's galvanised steel - but lousy galvanising, has a few rust spots. Quite light, I'd say 40 / 50kg dry weight.
The trailer needs a few mods:
- Shorter tow bar (hitch to trailer body)
Couple of points though, I don't know what European law is like but are you aware of the UK laws? Max weight 150kg or 2/3 the kerb weight of the bike, but if its more than half I think it needs brakes.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle (https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle)
Also, max distance between the rear axle and the end of the trailer is 2.5m.
With this in mind I'd try to get it as close to 2.5m as possible, because that will minimise the angle the hitch moves through for a given change in height (i.e. bumps etc.). Think basic trigonometry. ;)
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 08:03:50 am
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 08:08:00 am
Hope your mate can weld, both members will suffer fatigue due to the dynamix forces of tension and compression on each piece when accelerating and decelerating. Could try a further brace but you loose the flexability. You've said its heavy duty so good job then :) .
Close up pics on mount locations and have you tried it out yet?
iam sure iam not the only one on here who dos`nt know what "dynamix forces of tension" is.....is it the stretching and shrinkage of the steel when under load ?
Post by: red98 on 26 August 2013, 08:36:08 am
Yeah, two members will be being pulled under acceleration, the other members will be being compressed. Then the opposite on each under deceleration.
ahhhh....cheers FIZZY,easy when you know :)
Post by: ChristoT on 26 August 2013, 11:17:19 am
Been following this thread with interest and think you're a genius! :D
It's galvanised steel - but lousy galvanising, has a few rust spots. Quite light, I'd say 40 / 50kg dry weight.
The trailer needs a few mods:
- Shorter tow bar (hitch to trailer body)
Couple of points though, I don't know what European law is like but are you aware of the UK laws? Max weight 150kg or 2/3 the kerb weight of the bike, but if its more than half I think it needs brakes.
https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle (https://www.gov.uk/towing-with-motorcycle)
Also, max distance between the rear axle and the end of the trailer is 2.5m.
With this in mind I'd try to get it as close to 2.5m as possible, because that will minimise the angle the hitch moves through for a given change in height (i.e. bumps etc.). Think basic trigonometry. ;)
It's about 2 metres now - and it's very hard to judge corners, as it sticks out so far behind me. The hitch will move more when shorter, but should make cornering a bit tighter. Again, many, many test rides are required!
Slimwilly - no - but it should!! :lol :lol :lol
Red - it's unbraked, which is why I am so cautious with it on the back!
Fizzy - that's the reason I'm out with the trailer as much as I can - trying to familiarise myself with the handling as much as I can, and to inspect the welds! If they're too weak, I want to know BEFORE I'm halfway round the M25!
I'm getting there! :)
Post by: fireblake on 28 August 2013, 01:57:30 pm
Mickey
Post by: ChristoT on 28 August 2013, 08:40:15 pm
I had the pleasure of seeing Chris and the behemoth on Sunday and i must say it all looks pretty good. Not something i would want to ride (or be seen dead with) but all the best to you Chris. And i'll look forward to hearing all about your epic journey. Take care young chatty nemisis.
Mickey
Thanks, Mickey! I'm sure you'll come round to it... :smokin :thumbup
News update:
- NOT shortening the drawbar (can still tow behind car now)
- Not turning the lid round
- Trailer now black
- Numberplate and wiring all tidied up
Shock news - we were tidying up the trailer, and looking for the kerbside weight plate, we made a startling discovery. My trailer is a classic! :eek
The plate we found showed it was a VW trailer - built in 1963! With the shape of the trailer and the high suspension, we suspect it may be ex-German army! :eek :eek :eek
Post by: Pat on 28 August 2013, 09:29:19 pm
Out of interest, what difference does using a trailer make to your insurance?
Post by: ChristoT on 28 August 2013, 09:35:37 pm
I had to lug a couple of 2.5l tins of Farrow & Ball paint over to France in my panniers for the GF last month, cost me £30 a tin to buy it here in the UK, costs €80 a tin over there! :eek
Out of interest, what difference does using a trailer make to your insurance?
Amateur! I'm lugging 3 10L containers of Wickes paint for a friend! :lol :lol :lol
The trailer = nowt extra! The trailer and contents are only covered by 3rd party, but that's good enough for me! :D
Post by: fireblake on 28 August 2013, 10:25:30 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 28 August 2013, 10:28:13 pm
I must admit I was thinking Kubelwagon when I saw it?
Jawohl! :rollin :rollin :rollin
Post by: ChristoT on 29 August 2013, 07:00:30 pm
Trailer 1 |
Trailer 2 |
Trailer 3 |
Trailer 4 |
Trailer 5 |
Trailer 6 |
Finally, I have also decided on a nickname for the trailer. Due to Fireblake's comment that it looks a bit like a Kubelwagon, I reckon "the Kub" is as good a name as any for it!!
Finally...
Who's that lazy bastid? |
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Post by: Doddsie on 29 August 2013, 09:30:22 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 29 August 2013, 09:35:12 pm
Have you got any warning light or buzzer that tells you if the indicators on the trailer stop working??
No, but they're wired direct to the rear indicators. If the flashers don't work on the trailer, they don't work on the dash. Also, the trailer is low enough for the bike's own indicators to be visible above it. :)
Post by: Doddsie on 29 August 2013, 09:37:15 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 29 August 2013, 09:39:56 pm
Could be wrong but Im pretty sure you are supposed to have a seperate device just for the trailer
Really? The indicators on the trailer are in the loom though - even if I blow an indicator bulb on the bike, the trailer bulbs will work. Unless you mean something else?
The problem with towing in the UK - there is so much disinformation / lack of information out there, it's a nightmare to try and obey the law!!
Post by: noggythenog on 30 August 2013, 10:48:45 am
Any man worth their salt will see it & have a giggle & be a bit intrigued & theres nothing blatantly illegal ie you've got plates & lights, every bloke likes a little project & look at the attention it has got so far.
When are doing the big trip though?
I look forward to seeing you return because if it makes that journey then theres no doubt about its integrity then surely. 8)
Post by: noggythenog on 30 August 2013, 11:07:47 am
Seems your little beast could be a rare Van Weeghel or a Van Weeghel Zwolfe camping trailer, done up properly they fetch good money.
Check out the link to this baby on ebay
[font=.HelveticaNeueUI]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vw-Split-Screen-Bay-Camping-trailer-Hotrod-Vw-Bus-VAN-Weeghel-Zwolfe-Holland-/400554293996[/font]
Post by: ChristoT on 30 August 2013, 05:01:22 pm
Check this out too.
Seems your little beast could be a rare Van Weeghel or a Van Weeghel Zwolfe camping trailer, done up properly they fetch good money.
Check out the link to this baby on ebay
[font=.HelveticaNeueUI][url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vw-Split-Screen-Bay-Camping-trailer-Hotrod-Vw-Bus-VAN-Weeghel-Zwolfe-Holland-/400554293996[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vw-Split-Screen-Bay-Camping-trailer-Hotrod-Vw-Bus-VAN-Weeghel-Zwolfe-Holland-/400554293996[/url])[/font]
Cheers for that Noggy! As there is a model number on the plate (and Google reveals nothing on that one), I plan to email VW and ask.
As for the trip, 1300 miles in Europe, and in 2015, carting all my crap back from Uni (about 200 mile each way). I just hope this Fazer and the next one will survive!! :lol :lol
Post by: stevierst on 30 August 2013, 06:36:11 pm
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/31/ydyvaqe6.jpg)
Post by: ChristoT on 30 August 2013, 07:22:48 pm
Christo, have you got the plans for the towbar, I got an idea!!:o
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/31/ydyvaqe6.jpg[/url])
For foc's sake, don't tempt me! :lol :lol :lol
On a side note, a minor mystery has been cleared up. The trailer isn't a VW - it's a WW! The trailer (well, hitch at least) is made by Walter Winterhoff.
Post by: Exupnut on 30 August 2013, 07:40:48 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 30 August 2013, 07:46:37 pm
thats a great picture hahahahah..u got a brilliant sense of humour christo....u can bring the picnic on sunday...breton lardy cake and cider all round :)
I'm out of both!
You'll have to supply us with Polish lager instead!! :lol :lol :lol
Trailer is not coming on Sunday, the hitch might!!
Post by: Exupnut on 30 August 2013, 08:38:00 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 August 2013, 09:01:01 pm
thats a great picture hahahahah..u got a brilliant sense of humour christo....u can bring the picnic on sunday...breton lardy cake and cider all round :)
I'm out of both!
You'll have to supply us with Polish lager instead!! :lol :lol :lol
Trailer is not coming on Sunday, the hitch might!!
No one else will need breakdown cover then - don't forget the tow rope ;)
Post by: ChristoT on 30 August 2013, 09:06:20 pm
thats a great picture hahahahah..u got a brilliant sense of humour christo....u can bring the picnic on sunday...breton lardy cake and cider all round :)
I'm out of both!
You'll have to supply us with Polish lager instead!! :lol :lol :lol
Trailer is not coming on Sunday, the hitch might!!
No one else will need breakdown cover then - don't forget the tow rope ;)
Does a ratty bungy cord count? :lol
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 August 2013, 09:08:20 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 30 August 2013, 09:13:06 pm
You can never have too many bungees!
:thumbup :thumbup :thumbup
Post by: red98 on 31 August 2013, 07:00:55 am
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 31 August 2013, 09:40:39 am
Post by: ChristoT on 31 August 2013, 03:03:58 pm
Post by: red98 on 31 August 2013, 03:06:47 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 31 August 2013, 03:09:59 pm
mmmmmm......33bhp..trailer...caravan...............ah , got it......................once a snail,always a snail :lol :lol :lol :lol
I hope you're spending today looking at the tail lights of your 600 - practice for my bike tomorrow! :lol
Post by: red98 on 31 August 2013, 03:15:17 pm
mmmmmm......33bhp..trailer...caravan...............ah , got it......................once a snail,always a snail :lol :lol :lol :lol
I hope you're spending today looking at the tail lights of your 600 - practice for my bike tomorrow! :lol
:lol :lol :lol :lol need to go and look as forgotten what they look like :rollin see you tomorrow matey, have you seen the recall notice from YAMAHA.......they are recalling all 600 fazers as they keep falling over :rollin :rollin :rollin [size=78%] [/size]
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 31 August 2013, 03:36:27 pm
Or how about a double decker Fazer? No standing on the upper deck please....
Post by: ChristoT on 31 August 2013, 03:43:39 pm
A Fazer with a trailer.....and a sidecar! won't fall over - think how much crap you could carry then, Christo! :lol
Or how about a double decker Fazer? No standing on the upper deck please....
As above - stop tempting me! I'm sure I'll end up being the first person to fit a roof rack to a bike! :lol
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 10:37:10 am
I did try to find a different topic to post it under but this was the only trailer thread. I did think of posting a new thread but thought it would raise just as much ire. I did think about not posting it, but then what's the point; I'm not exactly a lurker.
Oh well.
http://c-way.com.ua/index.php?newsid=57 (http://c-way.com.ua/index.php?newsid=57)
Post by: Grahamm on 17 September 2013, 11:19:16 am
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 11:22:58 am
That link just gives an MySQL error...
Sorry, it works when you go through the menu system and when you've visited the page before. Dunno.
Works when you click on http://c-way.com.ua/ (http://c-way.com.ua/) and then Модельный ряд and then Canyon
Post by: CRH on 17 September 2013, 11:24:59 am
....hey christo?....what about...AIR CON? ;)A Fazer with a trailer.....and a sidecar! won't fall over - think how much crap you could carry then, Christo! :lol
Or how about a double decker Fazer? No standing on the upper deck please....
As above - stop tempting me! I'm sure I'll end up being the first person to fit a roof rack to a bike! :lol
Post by: Grahamm on 17 September 2013, 03:55:15 pm
Works when you click on [url]http://c-way.com.ua/[/url] ([url]http://c-way.com.ua/[/url])
Nope, that one gives the same error :(
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 04:15:34 pm
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 06:26:47 pm
If you want to be knowledgeable about trailers, buy the towbar, and tow a bit before talking, Simon. And please give us links that work, you're meant to be good at IT ! :rolleyesNice :\
I wasn't appearing knowledgeable I offered an opinion and as we all know opinions don't require experience. The link works for me, I'm not offering to fix your I.T. Issues and again, I don't need to prove myself to you.
What are the nasty comments hiding? You have something you want to get off your chest?
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 06:38:43 pm
If you want to be knowledgeable about trailers, buy the towbar, and tow a bit before talking, Simon. And please give us links that work, you're meant to be good at IT ! :rolleyesNice :\
I wasn't appearing knowledgeable I offered an opinion and as we all know opinions don't require experience. The link works for me, I'm not offering to fix your I.T. Issues and again, I don't need to prove myself to you.
What are the nasty comments hiding? You have something you want to get off your chest?
Don't you? Contacted the old insurance company yet?
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 06:47:00 pm
Why would I need to do that ? I was a witness to an accident. I wasn't involved in it. You have my version of events, if they need any clarification your insurance company can contact me directly. Do you feel better now ? I have done nothing wrong and do not deserve your anger.If you want to be knowledgeable about trailers, buy the towbar, and tow a bit before talking, Simon. And please give us links that work, you're meant to be good at IT ! :rolleyesNice :\
I wasn't appearing knowledgeable I offered an opinion and as we all know opinions don't require experience. The link works for me, I'm not offering to fix your I.T. Issues and again, I don't need to prove myself to you.
What are the nasty comments hiding? You have something you want to get off your chest?
Don't you? Contacted the old insurance company yet?
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 07:28:26 pm
Quote from: simonmUsual bollocks
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I do. He's left me bikeless, and with no bike to sell to have money for transport in the US.
Not including the misery I've undergone sorting out a VERY short notice plan B, and the insurance company, I've also messed around no fewer than 20 people (excluding the LoFos on the rideout, and the people involved in the prang), of which 2 are Foccers, and one who is now being an absolute saint at helping sell the little that remains of my previous pride and joy. And two of those people are my very old and ill Dutch grandparents (Grandmother has Alzheimer's), whom I was hoping to see before I head off. Thanks to the crash, I couldn't go. And I can't afford/ don't have time to get up there before I go either.
Forgetting the liability, the fact that I'm now un-insurable for the next five years, and the amount of money I'd already poured in to that machine getting it set up properly with all the extras, I have also lost a significant sum of money on ferry tickets and other travel costs. Not to mention the resale - that bike was worth £1,600 - want to know how much I've made so far in sales? £80. 5%.
And then Simon tells me that nothing was his fault, and bleats his platitudes when all the people concerned say he was an important factor - and tells me he "doesn't deserve my anger"?
Simonm - take a long, hard look at yourself.
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 07:29:54 pm
Usual bollocks
I guess Christo cared enough to ask the question. But sure you can respond for everyone even if you are wrong. :rollin.
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 07:33:28 pm
Don't blame me for your own mistake.
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 07:43:09 pm
Finally you said it. You're welcome to your feelings on the matter if you don't want to blame yourself. However you left insufficient braking distance. End of story. You're welcome to blame me if it makes you sleep at night but defensive riding dictates you ride within your limitations and that includes the braking distance of your bike and the actions of the driver in front of you.
Don't blame me for your own mistake.
Oh don't get me wrong - I am fully aware that I was too close - although the limited dammage to the Merc shows that I wasn't far off. Yes, I am obviously at fault on the braking distance, yes I am liable and yes, I have made a note of it for myself for future reference.
HOWEVER.
--> It may interest you to know that I did NOT get closer to the Merc after you overtook it - so you must have really been up his arse before the overtake.
--> The other 2 driversthat I talked to have named you as a cause for the anchoring on. From the Merc driver's statement, it would seem the Volvo and people carrier drivers also hold this view, but I do not include them as I did not speak to them myself.
I am not saying you're the one and only cause of the crash - that would be wrong, and childish. However, you refuse to even consider that you were one of the contributing causes - and it's the fact that you cannot face up to the consequences of your actions, your incessant platitudes and the "I'm alright Jack" attitude that has been aggravating me.
Finally, I find it ironic that you tell me not to blame you for my mistake when you refuse to accept yours even happened - despite evidence to the contrary.
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 08:23:01 pm
You're always going to blame me but YOU were the one who crashed YOUR bike through YOUR fault. Not me.
I have more than enough evidence to prove my lack of liability and I'm happy to pass it on to your insurer if they ask for it.
Please stop prevaricating it doesn't make either of us look good or mature.
Post by: Doddsie on 17 September 2013, 08:30:53 pm
Post by: Dead Eye on 17 September 2013, 09:24:56 pm
:lurk
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 10:15:26 pm
Like I said before, I'm sorry you feel that way (you'll take that as a platitude, it really isn't and never was).
You're always going to blame me but YOU were the one who crashed YOUR bike through YOUR fault. Not me.
I have more than enough evidence to prove my lack of liability and I'm happy to pass it on to your insurer if they ask for it.
Please stop prevaricating it doesn't make either of us look good or mature.
Exactly. The "I'm alright Jack" attitude I was referring to resurfaces.
Now WHY was I always going to blame you, do you think? As for half apologies, how about a decent one for actually setting up the situation in the first place?
Both the drivers I spoke to said that you were the cause of the anchoirng on, you refuse to accept eyewitness statements about how you overtook an indicating vehicle at a crossroads (and frankly, your version is a damn sight more worrying), and after the explanation of what happened, you stubbornly refused to accept your ridign was anything less than exemplary. Get your head out of the sand, for heaven's sake!
As for the maturity card - you threw that one out a long time ago.
Post by: simonm on 17 September 2013, 10:27:06 pm
I've said repeatedly that I will happily talk to your insurers.
Please drop this and the attitude.
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 10:49:27 pm
It was mentioned in the old post that this is not the forum for this kind of discussion.
I've said repeatedly that I will happily talk to your insurers.
Please drop this and the attitude.
Drop the attitude? When you face up to your actions, maybe.
I couldn't help but notice that you stayed a healthy distance from the bike when it was by the roadside, you didn't join the main LoFo group into Stratford, you were quiet as a mouse at the lunch table, and you buggered off bloody quick afterwards. If that was subconcious guilt, your subconcious is a better person than you are.
Oh, AND you got VERY narky with the Merc driver when he asked for your details. As everyone else mentionned you in the their reports, I'm sure your insurers will get a call soon.
Post by: rik on 17 September 2013, 11:35:05 pm
Post by: ChristoT on 17 September 2013, 11:48:45 pm
well what can I say :( but up till that point quite a good topic good luck with your trip :lol
I presume you refer to the US one (sans trailer and towbar)? On the way home, I had to chop out 80% of the route, and had to rely on... alternative measures to get the trailer home...
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p206x206/1236021_642000565833597_1234968538_n.jpg)
Yes, that's a bicycle. With a towbar welded to it.
Post by: Exupnut on 17 September 2013, 11:57:13 pm
Hey christo.... When u crash the pushbike can i have first dibs on the brain bolt ?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 17 September 2013, 11:59:05 pm
What was that like to ride? Could you have done any distance on it, or just way too much work? I would guess that once you got it moving you'd be ok, but sod pulling away on it!well what can I say :( but up till that point quite a good topic good luck with your trip :lol
I presume you refer to the US one (sans trailer and towbar)? On the way home, I had to chop out 80% of the route, and had to rely on... alternative measures to get the trailer home...
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p206x206/1236021_642000565833597_1234968538_n.jpg)
Yes, that's a bicycle. With a towbar welded to it.
Post by: Exupnut on 18 September 2013, 12:01:18 am
Post by: ChristoT on 18 September 2013, 12:20:31 am
What was that like to ride? Could you have done any distance on it, or just way too much work? I would guess that once you got it moving you'd be ok, but sod pulling away on it!well what can I say :( but up till that point quite a good topic good luck with your trip :lol
I presume you refer to the US one (sans trailer and towbar)? On the way home, I had to chop out 80% of the route, and had to rely on... alternative measures to get the trailer home...
(https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p206x206/1236021_642000565833597_1234968538_n.jpg)
Yes, that's a bicycle. With a towbar welded to it.
It was surprising how light it was - although I did a violent wheelie when I tried accelerating hard once. "Fast " wasn't a word I'd use, but once it was moving, it went!!
Distance could have been done - but by a fitter man than me, along a short route with a few pubs on the way! :lol
Pulling away was a slow affair in first gear and puffing like a steam train - but it moved!!
Squirrel head - foc off. :lol :lol
Post by: Exupnut on 18 September 2013, 01:12:22 am
Post by: simonm on 18 September 2013, 04:13:44 am
Did you ask any of the other lofo's about this?
I couldn't help but notice that you stayed a healthy distance from the bike when it was by the roadside, you didn't join the main LoFo group into Stratford, you were quiet as a mouse at the lunch table, and you buggered off bloody quick afterwards. If that was subconcious guilt, your subconcious is a better person than you are.
Did you forget me putting your bits in a box, helping to move the bike multiple times, sweeping sand over the oil or trying to help calm you down?
Did you forget I sat in the middle of the group and talked to everyone whilst you sat at the edge?
Did you forget I went back with Chris.Biker as he was heading back up north?
Why should I provide insurance details when I wasn't involved in the accident and it wasn't my fault. I'm happy to provide a witness statement and comply with any insurance request.
This was not my fault. I was 3 cars and 40m away when I saw you come off. The Mercedes applied his brakes when I was long gone. He took his eyes from the road, looked behind and when he looked forward the situation had changed. He had no clue the Volvo was stationary or even that I rode past the Volvo whilst it was stationary on the inside. Something which is not dangerous at all. I see vehicles do it every day. If a car is stationary and indicating right, if there is space and it is safe to pass it on the inside you do.
Please stop this harassment. I will comply with your insurers requests as and when they make them.
I've answered your questions now please back off.
Post by: Skippernick on 18 September 2013, 01:29:31 pm
I also agree even if it was or wash't your fault you don't need to do anything you didn't crash.
We all should ride defensively for all eventualities, however unlikely.
Post by: Aegis Bearing Mel on 18 September 2013, 05:19:20 pm
I appreciate feelings can run high, especially when concerning a RTA, but as I've moved the previous thread to avoid public discussion of a thorny issue that could potentially lead to litigation, can we not necessitate the same again?
Cheers.
Aegis
Post by: Exupnut on 18 September 2013, 10:48:13 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 18 September 2013, 10:51:19 pm
I think that's the appropriate response?
Post by: ChristoT on 18 September 2013, 11:33:18 pm
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I think that's the appropriate response?
Don't you know it.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 18 September 2013, 11:41:57 pm
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Daz
Post by: ChristoT on 18 September 2013, 11:57:09 pm
You could always upgrade but what you would get in it I do not know
Daz
I still have the trailer! Just not the towbar. Parents, insurance etc will probably be keeping me off bikes for a while - and I have a friend very keen to sell me a Hillman Imp-derived Singer Chamois Coupé in need of a lot of TLC (fitting a new engine for starters). I suppose I'll have to fit a towbar to that in a year's time, if funds allow. :(
Post by: Aegis Bearing Mel on 18 September 2013, 11:58:28 pm
Could go for flappy paddles too.
:D
Post by: ChristoT on 19 September 2013, 12:08:06 am
Ooh, mibbes fit the engine from your six to it?
Could go for flappy paddles too.
:D
Flappy paddles - to THAT?!? :eek
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2441/3929216568_93725dd7b8.jpg)
John's isn't as rusty - but isn't far off either. The 875cc engine only kicks out about 37hp - but is extremely tuneable - to about 80 / 100 hp so I'm told! :eek Apparently, they run really well at 60hp, and have very light engines too.
Believe it or not, I'm not sure the Fazer engine would fit in the engine bay - the engine's too big! (It's Hillman Imp derived, so the engine is at the back)
On another note of interest, apparently many old Reliants (the four wheelers, such as the Kitten or the Rebel) are now being retrofitted with Fiat 1100cc engines, like the one they put in the new Fiat Panda! Crazy, man...
Post by: Aegis Bearing Mel on 19 September 2013, 12:09:52 am
Sorted.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Post by: ChristoT on 19 September 2013, 12:14:31 am
Flappy paddles, NoS kit, supercharger.
Sorted.
:rollin :rollin :rollin
When I was thinking of buying it last year (before I got the Fazer), a Uni friend asked if I was going to put a decent stereo in. I said no, as I didn't want a speaker to cause the bonnet to fly off at 60 up the motorway! :eek
That says a lot for that car's condition.
Post by: dBfazer600 on 19 September 2013, 12:20:08 am
Ooh, mibbes fit the engine from your six to it?
Could go for flappy paddles too.
:D
Flappy paddles - to THAT?!? :eek
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John's isn't as rusty - but isn't far off either. The 875cc engine only kicks out about 37hp - but is extremely tuneable - to about 80 / 100 hp so I'm told! :eek Apparently, they run really well at 60hp, and have very light engines too.
Believe it or not, I'm not sure the Fazer engine would fit in the engine bay - the engine's too big! (It's Hillman Imp derived, so the engine is at the back)
On another note of interest, apparently many old Reliants (the four wheelers, such as the Kitten or the Rebel) are now being retrofitted with Fiat 1100cc engines, like the one they put in the new Fiat Panda! Crazy, man...
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin Had a car like this in my youth and adjusting the wing mirror was a bitch. Its the typical 70's rust bucket we use to see on the road all the time. They never held water for obvious reasons and forget about in car heating. Then there was the laminate seats passing themselves of as leather that took your skin off in the summer of 1976 heat wave when in shorts. Hand winding windows was the only air con available. If you were truly hip you had furry dice hanging from the rear mirror. :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
Daz
Post by: Exupnut on 19 September 2013, 09:55:15 am
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/syru7amy.jpg)
I didnt have a licence @ 16 when my pa bought it for me as it was to encourage me to pass. After my dad saw me tryin to replace the fuel guage senser without drainin the tank ( i kid u not) and gettin short shrift and a bollokin i thought a couple of days later i'd take it fer a spin with no licence/tax/mot/ins when pa was down't pub't. We lived nr countryside so of i tootles feelin really .......... ADULT hehe. I ended up christo'ing it on a wee corner carryin too much speed and rolled it into a ditch. I WOZ LUKKY. needles to say i just fucked off thankful i wasn't injured ( i did clunk clik). Told me dad i flogged it. He still dont know so foccin shushh.
Post by: bigbluebear on 19 September 2013, 10:28:26 am
The only car i ever owned.
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I didnt have a licence @ 16 when my pa bought it for me as it was to encourage me to pass. After my dad saw me tryin to replace the fuel guage senser without drainin the tank ( i kid u not) and gettin short shrift and a bollokin i thought a couple of days later i'd take it fer a spin with no licence/tax/mot/ins when pa was down't pub't. We lived nr countryside so of i tootles feelin really .......... ADULT hehe. I ended up christo'ing it on a wee corner carryin too much speed and rolled it into a ditch. I WOZ LUKKY. needles to say i just fucked off thankful i wasn't injured ( i did clunk clik). Told me dad i flogged it. He still dont know so foccin shushh.
Now that made me laugh, reminds of me taking my dads car out when I was 16
Post by: noggythenog on 19 September 2013, 10:29:51 am
The only car i ever owned.
([url]http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/09/19/syru7amy.jpg[/url])
I didnt have a licence @ 16 when my pa bought it for me as it was to encourage me to pass. After my dad saw me tryin to replace the fuel guage senser without drainin the tank ( i kid u not) and gettin short shrift and a bollokin i thought a couple of days later i'd take it fer a spin with no licence/tax/mot/ins when pa was down't pub't. We lived nr countryside so of i tootles feelin really .......... ADULT hehe. I ended up christo'ing it on a wee corner carryin too much speed and rolled it into a ditch. I WOZ LUKKY. needles to say i just fucked off thankful i wasn't injured ( i did clunk clik). Told me dad i flogged it. He still dont know so foccin shushh.
He he Exup...Classic tale!!!...& you still havent told him....im no different....i got airborne off a humpback bridge in my Nova with all my mates crammed in it after we seen the 5'0 & their brake lights come on as though to turn & make after us..carried too much speed into the tight corner & went sideways round it...almost controlled it but ended up in the ditch & just dinged the wing, stalled of course :rolleyes ...anyways after hiding it in a back street & going to the pub til the coast was clear i tootles back home...after picking out weeds & mud from the wing...what did i tell my old man...some twat bashed into it when i was in Safeway car park :evil
He still goes on about his 6 man tent being missing....still havent told him it went up in smoke at T in the Park festival 10 years ago!!! :lol
Post by: midden on 02 October 2013, 12:21:23 am
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/motorcycle-caravan-issue-title-is-one-for-the-road (http://www.britishpathe.com/video/motorcycle-caravan-issue-title-is-one-for-the-road)
Post by: ChristoT on 02 October 2013, 12:51:29 pm
this has to be the way to go
[url]http://www.britishpathe.com/video/motorcycle-caravan-issue-title-is-one-for-the-road[/url] ([url]http://www.britishpathe.com/video/motorcycle-caravan-issue-title-is-one-for-the-road[/url])
Do it.
Did I mention I have a towbar for sale?
Post by: midden on 02 October 2013, 04:10:11 pm
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 02 October 2013, 04:11:32 pm
this has to be the way to go
[url]http://www.britishpathe.com/video/motorcycle-caravan-issue-title-is-one-for-the-road[/url] ([url]http://www.britishpathe.com/video/motorcycle-caravan-issue-title-is-one-for-the-road[/url])
Do it.
Did I mention I have a towbar for sale?
Nooooo, I don't believe you did - how much, been looking for one for ages.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin