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General => General => Topic started by: simonm on 02 May 2013, 11:59:15 am
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Admins/Whoever (yes that means you)
Please can we have a sticky thread asking (prompting) people to put their approximate location in their profile for the member map ?
I'm sure there are loadsa foc'cers who haven't done it for privacy/security reasons (or something else) but even approximate locations are better than no location for badgering people via PM if they want to go on an informally arranged ride out :-)
Simon
Ps. I apologise if this is just me and I'll living in a parallel dimension to all you people who don't agree.
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There's a section specifically for rideouts. Stick a post up, see who responds, arrange particulars. Et voila
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Or as new members put up introduction threads in the intro section then welcome them and point them to the members map as someone did for me when I signed up ;)
Chris
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I think there are probably far more registered users who don't know about it compared to those who have opted to not use it
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I think there are probably far more registered users who don't know about it compared to those who have opted to not use it
That was my hope to address with a sticky thread tbh. I seem to be in the minority :rolleyes
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I think there are probably far more registered users who don't know about it compared to those who have opted to not use it
That was my hope to address with a sticky thread tbh. I seem to be in the minority :rolleyes
Don't be so crest fallen Si.
I'm certainly not opposed to having it stickied somehwere but I think that having it as part of the main top bar is better than a stiky anyway.
If you think it's a good idea then push for it, don't let two comments put you off ;)
Chris
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thats a good point about not posting your exact location,you dont know who`s watching.....i`ve put my location as next door but dont tell anyone :lol
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:rollin
That explains it, didn't think it was your stuff! say thanks to your neighbours for that flat screen TV and jewlery for me! :b
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If I joined a forum and I didn't know the people I'd not fill my location in. I only did it afterwards when I saw how useful it could be and I put in "Market Harborough" rather than my address for security reasons (I pee off so many people I might get death threats ;) )
I've seen loadsa new members on the forum who I _know_ are based in Leicestershire but no new pins have arrived.
A sticky thread in general and/or rideouts would prompt people who may not have seen the topic/thread to do it and could also allay any security/privacy concerns through wording.
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Fair enough buddy.
I still think it can't be more obvious than where it is just under the frankenfazers back wheel :)
Chris
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For any sort of location information I usually just zoom out of my address and wildly click somewhere that is part of the area :P It's close (within a mile or two) but not exact ;)
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Fair enough buddy.
I still think it can't be more obvious than where it is just under the frankenfazers back wheel :)
Chris
One persons obvious is not another's. Trying to explain the 'obvious' acts of rebooting, making folders and moving icons on an ipad to my mother has taught me that something you take for granted is not the same for someone else.
Fair nuff tho. I'm used to having the opposite opinion to everyone else. :lol
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One persons obvious is not another's. Trying to explain the 'obvious' acts of rebooting, making folders and moving icons on an ipad to my mother has taught me that something you take for granted is not the same for someone else
I'm always careful not to say the dreaded phrase "common sense" when talking to people about fire. They say it to me as if it is common sense when really it isn't.
Try explaining BS EN 12845 to a hairdresser
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As a result of this thread i checked my pin to make sure it wasn't to near my address, and i find out that another member was hiding behind my pin.
Unfortunatly he hasn't posted anything yet.
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As a result of this thread i checked my pin to make sure it wasn't to near my address, and i find out that another member was hiding behind my pin.
Unfortunatly he hasn't posted anything yet.
Sounds like the opportunity for a PM and ride out :-). Win !
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As a result of this thread i checked my pin to make sure it wasn't to near my address, and i find out that another member was hiding behind my pin.
Unfortunatly he hasn't posted anything yet.
Sounds like the opportunity for a PM and ride out :-). Win !
True but he/she hasn't even posted in the intro section, why would you join and not then post?
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As a result of this thread i checked my pin to make sure it wasn't to near my address, and i find out that another member was hiding behind my pin.
Unfortunatly he hasn't posted anything yet.
Sounds like the opportunity for a PM and ride out :-). Win !
True but he/she hasn't even posted in the intro section, why would you join and not then post?
Who knows ;) there are many lurkers in life. People that say nothing, offer nothing but just watch.
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Just added mine,thought I'd done it years ago
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Just added mine,thought I'd done it years ago
Good stuff :-) :)
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A very good point you make Simon and Tiberius about obvious to one person and common sense etc. I just find that most people on here are pretty switched on so forget that some people find computers and common sense difficult :D
Anyway, on topic. An interesting point you make about someone having an account and not posting anything, not even an intro thread. If you look here: http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=who (http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=who) then there are often people listed as "guest" and "regestiring for an account" but often they never post anything. Wonder if there is anything we can do to encourage the lurkers to join in..??
Chris
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A very good point you make Simon and Tiberius about obvious to one person and common sense etc. I just find that most people on here are pretty switched on so forget that some people find computers and common sense difficult :D
Anyway, on topic. An interesting point you make about someone having an account and not posting anything, not even an intro thread. If you look here: [url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=who[/url] ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=who[/url]) then there are often people listed as "guest" and "regestiring for an account" but often they never post anything. Wonder if there is anything we can do to encourage the lurkers to join in..??
Chris
Poke em with a stick (PM). :\
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Ye, there is that... on the main forum page down by the "who's online" then it has a bit that says newest member. Could PM them, if they've not got any posts up, to say welcome and encourage them to pop a pin in the members map and get an intro thread up... Might be a bit pushy though... :\
Chris
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Ye, there is that... on the main forum page down by the "who's online" then it has a bit that says newest member. Could PM them, if they've not got any posts up, to say welcome and encourage them to pop a pin in the members map and get an intro thread up... Might be a bit pushy though... :\
Chris
Leave em to it an put up a sticky thread ;)
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Or that :lol
It could maybe be part of the registration confirmation email (I can't remember if it is or not...), "Stick up an introduction thread and don't forget to check out the members map" Something like that, might encourage a few to post that might just lurk otherwise.
Chris
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Or that :lol
It could maybe be part of the registration confirmation email (I can't remember if it is or not...), "Stick up an introduction thread and don't forget to check out the members map" Something like that, might encourage a few to post that might just lurk otherwise.
Chris
Fair weather foc'cers eh ;-)
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Just had a look at the members map again, I feel pretty lonely up here... :'(
Not as lonely as Darrsi must be though! He's either riding his underwater fazer to america or he's a damn good swimmer... :lol
Chris
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If people haven't posted then I'm sure they have their reasons. I'm not sure it its really cricket to just message them out of the blue for a run until they decide they want to join in on their own. If they want to jump in first, then its open season
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If people haven't posted then I'm sure they have their reasons. I'm not sure it its really cricket to just message them out of the blue for a run until they decide they want to join in on their own. If they want to jump in first, then its open season
:agree
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I haven't and won't be messaging them so there. :b
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Why join a forum if not to participate? If they're not interested they won't reply. Considering your extrovert posts you're very conservative :rolleyes
at was directed at tibbs btw.
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Like I said, if they want to join in first, open season. Plenty of people register on forums and lurk. Be it through quick access or necessity or even through being allowed opportunity to access features that they may want to take advantage of sometime down the line.
I have a phone, does that mean I use it? If I choose not to then thats up to me. What I wouldn't like is someone calling me up for PPI and market research or even to coax me into going out for a blast on my bike if I'd never engaged with them in any way before.
Similarly, I may stick my name on the member list and plan to get involved, but maybe I'm dealing with a sick mother, or long working hours or simply can't be fucked dealing with people. Then suddenly I get a bundle of emails telling me theres ride outs, join the map, introduce yourself blah blah blah.
The site is plainly laid out to allow all this stuff to be accessible eithout the need to pester folk before they have a chance to get their shit together.
Once they start off, they better hope I've not had a dram but until they make the first move, I'm happy to leave them in peace and engage with the hundreds, if not more, people who do engage and do go for runs and are already involved. This is usually quite easy to do through rideouts and meets. Albeit some of may have to travel but thats the nature of the beast.
But hey, I'm not seeing the overall purpose and thats cushty, I'm left to do my own thing here and that suits me and hopefully others.
Batter in
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I don't care enough to argue 8) . It's plainly not going to happen so wtf do I care ?
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I don't care enough to argue 8) . It's plainly not going to happen so wtf do I care ?
This isn't an argument. It's a discussion with different points of view. Sorry Si but just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean that your point isn't worth raising and discussing or that they're trying to make you look like a tit, see naughty corner for details :lol .
You raised a very valid suggestion with your first post, as adults (even Tiberius has made valid and sensible points, he must be having one of his more lucid off the drams moments :b ) we're discussing the best way forward. I'm sure we would all like the forum to have more members and grow but we can't force people to join in if they don't want to.
Maybe I'm different but the first thing I do when I join any forum/go to a new place is look around and would thereore quickly find things like the members map/rideout topics etc. The decision may be to do nothing or make a few changes but whatever happens noone is having a go at you or arguing with you.
Chris
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I don't care enough to argue 8) . It's plainly not going to happen so wtf do I care ?
Even Tiberius has made valid and sensible points, he must be having one of his more lucid off days
I very often do, Chris, I just much prefer being an antagonist (and young Grahamm, my usual sporting foe, has been quiet recently. :( )
And on that.
Yet again Si, someone doesn't agree and you take the huff and poof oot.
The Chris fella is right, there is no argument here and instead we are utilising the use of a discussion, which is the body of much of your point here, no?
I'm mindful enough to know that I'm not to the taste of the many with the nonsense I post but its generally in jest no matter how nasty it would appear to be. I don't use the :pokefun things so maybe it gets misunderstood. Its all good. I'm a nice guy really. Very civil, in life and work. Honest Guv.
So that extends to you, friend, in that this is nothing other than words on a screen and that anything said on it should be no more than face value. There's been no insults (and oh jeez do I feel dirty) no badness, no anger and no ill feeling, merely a difference of opinion. No biggie. Lets get on with it
Thats reasonable innit? (christ, this is like a mud bath with thora hird. POST MORTEM. Bleuergh!!!!!)
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I don't care enough to argue 8) . It's plainly not going to happen so wtf do I care ?
This isn't an argument. It's a discussion with different points of view. Sorry Si but just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't mean that your point isn't worth raising and discussing or that they're trying to make you look like a tit, see naughty corner for details :lol .
You raised a very valid suggestion with your first post, as adults (even Tiberius has made valid and sensible points, he must be having one of his more lucid off the drams moments :b ) we're discussing the best way forward. I'm sure we would all like the forum to have more members and grow but we can't force people to join in if they don't want to.
Maybe I'm different but the first thing I do when I join any forum/go to a new place is look around and would thereore quickly find things like the members map/rideout topics etc. The decision may be to do nothing or make a few changes but whatever happens noone is having a go at you or arguing with you.
Chris
I know but it seems like there is failure to consensus on every post :\
If you go in to a pub and sit down in the corner would you be offended if someone came over and asked if you'd like to chat ?
If you went to a bike show and there was someone standing next to you watching the motorcycle display do you think they'd be offended if you said hi ?
If you join a forum, if you're a lurker or not then you should expect some form of communication, even if it's one way. If you're not interested in that you'd use a disposable email address to register and/.or not reply to the messages.
My post was a request to try and raise interest, the PM'ing thing seemed to taint the original meaning.
My main point is this: Most forums make good use of sticky threads, there are virtually none here. How to post pictures using the new process went in to general and disappeared. PM'ing lurkers isn't a crime. I PM'ed most of the people within a 15 mile radius of me to find out if anyone wanted a rideout. I got responses, no one seemed annoyed or irritated and likewise if someone hadn't replied I wouldn't have been offended.
I want to go out and ride with people and naff all I do or say changes that. I got a bike to make new friends and no one wants to ride out (maybe I'm too much of a loud mouth).
I don't know, I was just trying to make a difference and/or improve the forum experience for people.
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Like I said Si, you raise a perfectly valid point and In no way do I want to discourage you from getting in touch with people.
I'm sure noone will be offended by you getting in touch with them but don't be surprised if not everyone replies, yes you have already said that you won't so that's fine.
Chris
Love you too Tibs :lol
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Tibbs, Chris,
I'm okay, I always was and always will be. I have just have a 'I give up' approach
I can tell pretty much instantly when you're not going to change someone's mind, so you may as well bug out before the stone catches miss (like it has here).
I preempt that.
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Jesus, i only said someone's pin happened to be hiding behind mine, i don't mind if they don't want to participate.
If people get so upperty about a mere observation then no wonder others don't want to join.
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What also needs to be taken into consideration is that some may be better communicators on a forum arena than a face to face meeting. I for one love to ride out but prefer to be alone as I find that others tend to be hesitant in city traffic whilst I is slow on twisters or visa versa.
At the end of the day its a matter of choice for the members and if they choose with hold their location then lets respect. People will use the forum for their own needs and personally a sticky of basic maintenance maybe of use such as "Which Engine Oil Is Best To Use" :lol
Everyone has the right to voice their opinion or with hold it.
Daz
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If you go in to a pub and sit down in the corner would you be offended if someone came over and asked if you'd like to chat ?
Not initially, but there's a ten second window where they need to make it count. If they don't impress there's a distinct possibility that I'll highlight that my drink is more interesting and they should take their leave. This window increses to 15 seconds for a lady, 20 for a pretty lady, and about the time it takes summon a taxi for a drunk lady
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If you go in to a pub and sit down in the corner would you be offended if someone came over and asked if you'd like to chat ?
Not initially, but there's a ten second window where they need to make it count. If they don't impress there's a distinct possibility that I'll highlight that my drink is more interesting and they should take their leave. This window increses to 15 seconds for a lady, 20 for a pretty lady, and about the time it takes summon a taxi for a drunk lady
:rollin
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:lol
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If someone joined up 6 months ago but hasnt posted anything i can see a few reasons for it:-
1 didnt realise they could lurk without actually joining up.
2 they dont have much bike knowledge & every topic has pretty much been covered already so they dont need to post( i should just lurk as i know foc all about bikes but i see it as an alternative facebook where blokes & lassies talk about half decent stuff,well most of the time :b )
3 they thought about buying a fazer but then didnt bother but havent deleted their profile :(
4 they got a fazer but then failed their test & never bothered to do it again.
5 they got a fazer but got banned from driving or even crashed it or got injured etc etc
Anyway theres lots o reasons & it'd be pretty hard for the admins to tell but who knows maybe farjo & co have a spring clearout now & then.
The member map seems pretty obvious to me but i also agree that lots of bikers,especially the older generation may not find these things so obvious to see or navigate through the site in general but we cant hold the site accountable for individuals lack of computer knowledge/skills.
All of the top menu buttons could be pictures depicting the subject which would no doubt be easier to interpret & stand out but at the end of the day this is a free site & doing all this extra stuff could end up costing money & lots of time & im tight as foc :D
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Tibbs, Chris,
I'm okay, I always was and always will be. I have just have a 'I give up' approach
I can tell pretty much instantly when you're not going to change someone's mind, so you may as well bug out before the stone catches miss (like it has here).
I preempt that.
I'm Glad Martin Luther King didn't have that attitude. "I have a dream... but I know some people won't agree with me so I'm not going to tell you about it" :lol
Chris
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Tibbs, Chris,
I'm okay, I always was and always will be. I have just have a 'I give up' approach
I can tell pretty much instantly when you're not going to change someone's mind, so you may as well bug out before the stone catches miss (like it has here).
I preempt that.
I'm Glad Martin Luther King didn't have that attitude. "I have a dream... but I know some people won't agree with me so I'm not going to tell you about it" :lol
Chris
I had that same dream last night.......lots of black women....& lots of white women.......playing with each other.....and themselves!!! :b :b :b :lol
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Noggy, you do make me laugh buddy :rollin :rollin :rollin
Chris
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In a fountain.
With pillows.
Giggling.
Splashing.
Giggling.
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Seems like a good thread to get my post count up.. :lol
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Tibbs, Chris,
I'm okay, I always was and always will be. I have just have a 'I give up' approach
I can tell pretty much instantly when you're not going to change someone's mind, so you may as well bug out before the stone catches miss (like it has here).
I preempt that.
I'm Glad Martin Luther King didn't have that attitude. "I have a dream... but I know some people won't agree with me so I'm not going to tell you about it" :lol
Chris
I think he had something a lot more important to communicate than a member map. I suspect as well that he was a likeable chap who communicated well.
In addition he had loads of people who agreed with him with which to make his stand on.
All in all, not many similarities at all :D
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Just got round to reading this post and instead of lurking thought i'd better reply.
I checked the map 'cause I wasn't sure if I was on and found I am living in a
tree about a mile up the road from where I thought I was.
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Just got round to reading this post and instead of lurking thought i'd better reply.
I checked the map 'cause I wasn't sure if I was on and found I am living in a
tree about a mile up the road from where I thought I was.
:rollin
I always fancied living in a tree house but it'd need to be a redwood to contain all my creature comforts :lol
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Yeah that's right, I think this ones an oak so I will stick with the traditional
till someone lets loose a disease to kill them then I will move back to where I
think I live.
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If you go in to a pub and sit down in the corner would you be offended if someone came over and asked if you'd like to chat ?
= the quickest way to get stabbed in Peterhead!
- i have to agree with Ramey - all this pink and fluffy shite is enough to make me take my pin out the map- anyone would think this was a fooking dating agency not a biking forum!
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- i have to agree with Ramey - all this pink and fluffy shite is enough to make me take my pin out the map- anyone would think this was a fooking dating agency not a biking forum!
:rollin you say that as if anyone gives a sh1t :lol
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Well thats pleasant
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If you go in to a pub and sit down in the corner would you be offended if someone came over and asked if you'd like to chat ?
= the quickest way to get stabbed in Peterhead!
- i have to agree with Ramey - all this pink and fluffy shite is enough to make me take my pin out the map- anyone would think this was a fooking dating agency not a biking forum!
That's why your the only pin in the map in Peterheed.
everyone else is Deed!!!
where you gonna stick said pin once it's out - in yur neighbours dug!!! :lol
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The lack of stickies is deliberate as it was getting to the ridiculous stage on the old site at certain times, Hints & Tips being a prime example.
IIRC there were 14 or so stickies and only room to show half a dozen odd threads on the first page.
We went for the articles banner rather than sticky threads as a way to keep the pages "cleaner" and less cluttered, I reckon that works.
I see where you're coming from about people perhaps not realising it's there, I'll see about adding a mention to it in the Help section as well.
:D
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:rollin you say that as if anyone gives a sh1t :lol
Calm down wee man - we're just pressing your buttons because your easy to wind up - you have used this interweb thing before haven't you ? :D
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:rollin you say that as if anyone gives a sh1t :lol
Calm down wee man - we're just pressing your buttons because your easy to wind up - you have used this interweb thing before haven't you ? :D
I must be coming across wrong then cos I'm not at all wound up. I really don't care :rolleyes. I thought the smileys would have given it away.
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The lack of stickies is deliberate as it was getting to the ridiculous stage on the old site at certain times, Hints & Tips being a prime example.
IIRC there were 14 or so stickies and only room to show half a dozen odd threads on the first page.
We went for the articles banner rather than sticky threads as a way to keep the pages "cleaner" and less cluttered, I reckon that works.
I see where you're coming from about people perhaps not realising it's there, I'll see about adding a mention to it in the Help section as well.
:D
14th+ time someone has posted about how to add pictures. It gets dull after a while. Easily fixed with a sticky/help.
You can only get rid of sticky threads if someone is willing to put the work in and make the info easy to find.
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Yeah, you're right mate, no one is willing to put the time in and make Help topics easy to find.
If only there was a help banner at the top of the screen...
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Oh oh
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Yeah, you're right mate, no one is willing to put the time in and make Help topics easy to find.
If only there was a help banner at the top of the screen...
A help banner would be great. Maybe a search function of some kind would be a good idea, a bit off the wall I know! :lol
:rollin
Chris
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I'm sorry. I thought the Aeva image attaching was a custom plug in and probably wouldn't have any help content associated with it. Apologies.
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I'm starting to wish I could delete topics/posts I created. Is this possible or does an admin need to do it ?
It might be time to become a lurker :b
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Boo hoo. Dry yer eyes
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Boo hoo. Dry yer eyes
Why? They're not wet. Go finish your knitting. :z
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I stuck a pin in the map (Sunbury), when people have bike probs on here I always look to see if they are local as can be easier(and quicker) to pop over than keep doing the Q&A thing. :) ;)
Mark