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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => FZS600 Fazer => Topic started by: Disky on 11 February 2013, 11:26:46 pm
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Does anyone use any oil additives in the engine oil ?
Was thinking of using "Activ8" friction reducer
any advice ?
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I've never really spoken about it, but i've been using Activ8 for around 4 years and i highly recommend it.
I found it to give a noticeably smoother gear change, especially when you very first use it.
I even got my dentist trying it out and he totally agreed with me.
So personally i'm all for it.
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I've never really spoken about it, but i've been using Activ8 for around 4 years and i highly recommend it.
I found it to give a noticeably smoother gear change, especially when you very first use it.
I even got my dentist trying it out and he totally agreed with me.
So personally i'm all for it.
So it lubes you teeth ok too??....mighty stuff!! :lol
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I wondered when you'd think of that pike!!!,ive been thinking the same thing after reading about an american product called Marvel Mystery Oil that they all swear about,i know these testimonials can be a bit one sided but it did look convincing,folk suggesting that they appear to have less general engine related malfunctions,you put some in the tank,some in the oil...sods law im struggling to find any in the uk.
I also remember seeing an advert for slick 50 when i was a teenager,seem to remember them driving a nascar about with no oil and after having slick 50 run through the engine it ran for ages.
I'd be interested if theres anything that anyone reckons is good for keeping the carbs cleaned out.
Shall look up that activ8 stuff see what its about.
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Aside from the manufacturer's own tests, Activ8 is backed up by nothing better than anecdotal evidence.
While chlorinated hydrocarbons do have known wear-reducing properties at low temperatures, they break down at high ones and produce hydrogen chloride... it's why oil companies don't put the stuff in their products.
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It seems a bit like taking vitamins,some of them may or may not do anything but some people still feel better just from taking them & if they happen to be healthier than others it could be down to the vitamins or it could be that those type of people are generally healthier types anyway.
So maybe the type of person to add an additive is naturally more thorough or the type to keep their oil topped up & bike in good nick.it's probably hard to prove these things.
Still keen to hear about anyone who swears that an additive has made a difference,in their opinion of course.
I did stick some additive in my tank of super unleaded before i laid the bike up,supposed to protect against harmful effects of modern fuel on the tank and other parts.
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Wouldn't bother. If these products made any difference the oil companies would put the stuff in from the start.
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I was expecting negative comments from some people.
But let me just say this, i know my bike the same as a person knows their own body, i'm not the kind of person to just get on the bike and wait for things to seize up or drop off then deal with it (the same as my body fortunately). Any unusual noise, squeak, etc, and i investigate it.
In the case of Activ8 i have noticed a big improvement in gear changing. I'm not dreaming it, if there was no difference at all which is what you're implying, then i would have been totally honest and said don't bother at all, it's a waste of money!
So, unless you've tried it, which you obviously haven't, then how can you comment on the product???
I've not only tried it, and had it in my engine for years, but found it effective enough to buy again, and when you do top it up after 4 oil changes it becomes very noticeable again.
If you don't want to buy it, fair enough, but at least test it first before giving negative comments! :moon
By the way, there are different ingredients in Slick50, i can't remember what exactly, but it's not the same stuff.
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Only 1 way to find out so ive ordered some activ8'gonna stick it in the bike next oil change plus will stick some in my wee skoda diesel as it sounds like a bag o spanners in a washing machine on start up,
It seems that the claim is that it likes high temperatures 'activating at 50 degrees c' i fired a couple of the negative points their way to see what retort they can muster up.
Will report back but it'll be a while.
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Only 1 way to find out so ive ordered some activ8'gonna stick it in the bike next oil change plus will stick some in my wee skoda diesel as it sounds like a bag o spanners in a washing machine on start up,
It seems that the claim is that it likes high temperatures 'activating at 50 degrees c' i fired a couple of the negative points their way to see what retort they can muster up.
I will stick my neck out and say i am very confident you will notice a difference, but obviously you should tell it like it is and give an honest opinion. :)
Will report back but it'll be a while.
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Obviously i messed up the above reply, it's in the middle!! :lol
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Cheers
Now where's disky???
He just made me spend money :lol
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I forgot to add, the reason i tried it to begin with was because i was impressed by the demo they gave at the Ally Pally bike show years ago.
***** ALEXANDRA PALACE BIKE SHOW IS BACK THIS YEAR *****
http://www.classicshows.org/allypally/ (http://www.classicshows.org/allypally/)
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I was expecting negative comments from some people.
But let me just say this, i know my bike the same as a person knows their own body, i'm not the kind of person to just get on the bike and wait for things to seize up or drop off then deal with it (the same as my body fortunately). Any unusual noise, squeak, etc, and i investigate it.
In the case of Activ8 i have noticed a big improvement in gear changing. I'm not dreaming it, if there was no difference at all which is what you're implying, then i would have been totally honest and said don't bother at all, it's a waste of money!
So, unless you've tried it, which you obviously haven't, then how can you comment on the product???
I've not only tried it, and had it in my engine for years, but found it effective enough to buy again, and when you do top it up after 4 oil changes it becomes very noticeable again.
If you don't want to buy it, fair enough, but at least test it first before giving negative comments! :moon
By the way, there are different ingredients in Slick50, i can't remember what exactly, but it's not the same stuff.
I reckon I will use only half of it over 4 oil changes or 25k miles which is about 2+ years riding for most. Wouldn't fancy putting the rest of the stuff that is lying around for 2 years old into my engine and expect it to perform 100%. You you dump the leftovers and buy a new bottle after 25k miles?
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I was expecting negative comments from some people.
But let me just say this, i know my bike the same as a person knows their own body, i'm not the kind of person to just get on the bike and wait for things to seize up or drop off then deal with it (the same as my body fortunately). Any unusual noise, squeak, etc, and i investigate it.
In the case of Activ8 i have noticed a big improvement in gear changing. I'm not dreaming it, if there was no difference at all which is what you're implying, then i would have been totally honest and said don't bother at all, it's a waste of money!
So, unless you've tried it, which you obviously haven't, then how can you comment on the product???
I've not only tried it, and had it in my engine for years, but found it effective enough to buy again, and when you do top it up after 4 oil changes it becomes very noticeable again.
If you don't want to buy it, fair enough, but at least test it first before giving negative comments! :moon
By the way, there are different ingredients in Slick50, i can't remember what exactly, but it's not the same stuff.
I reckon I will use only half of it over 4 oil changes or 25k miles which is about 2+ years riding for most. Wouldn't fancy putting the rest of the stuff that is lying around for 2 years old into my engine and expect it to perform 100%. You you dump the leftovers and buy a new bottle after 25k miles?
You stick the lot in first time round, then only half a bottle after your 4th oil change.
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If you don't want to buy it, fair enough, but at least test it first before giving negative comments! :moon
No thanks.
http://www.carbibles.com/additives.html (http://www.carbibles.com/additives.html) Although Activ8 isn't mentioned on that page, it does talk about lots of other additives. They're all pointless and in some cases (Slick50 mainly) can cause damage.
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Cheers
Now where's disky???
He just made me spend money :lol
think he's just away to the shop,,, he will be back soon ;)
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If you don't want to buy it, fair enough, but at least test it first before giving negative comments! :moon
No thanks.
[url]http://www.carbibles.com/additives.html[/url] ([url]http://www.carbibles.com/additives.html[/url]) Although Activ8 isn't mentioned on that page, it does talk about lots of other additives. They're all pointless and in some cases (Slick50 mainly) can cause damage.
"...Activ8 isn't mentioned..."
What use is that then???
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:rolleyes How is Activ8 any different?
So if these additives are so good, why aren't they in the oil to start with along with the countless other things?
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I was expecting negative comments from some people.
But let me just say this, i know my bike the same as a person knows their own body, i'm not the kind of person to just get on the bike and wait for things to seize up or drop off then deal with it (the same as my body fortunately). Any unusual noise, squeak, etc, and i investigate it.
In the case of Activ8 i have noticed a big improvement in gear changing. I'm not dreaming it, if there was no difference at all which is what you're implying, then i would have been totally honest and said don't bother at all, it's a waste of money!
So, unless you've tried it, which you obviously haven't, then how can you comment on the product???
I've not only tried it, and had it in my engine for years, but found it effective enough to buy again, and when you do top it up after 4 oil changes it becomes very noticeable again.
If you don't want to buy it, fair enough, but at least test it first before giving negative comments! :moon
By the way, there are different ingredients in Slick50, i can't remember what exactly, but it's not the same stuff.
I reckon I will use only half of it over 4 oil changes or 25k miles which is about 2+ years riding for most. Wouldn't fancy putting the rest of the stuff that is lying around for 2 years old into my engine and expect it to perform 100%. You you dump the leftovers and buy a new bottle after 25k miles?
You stick the lot in first time round, then only half a bottle after your 4th oil change.
I think my enquiry would also be relevant as to what happens to the second bottle...no? So do you dump the leftovers on the second bottle or use it again after a long period of time?
Also, what happens even after the first oil change??.....isn't the Activ8 emptied out along with the oil?? I can't get my head around that it is still active and working solid again after one oil change, let alone 3 more oil changes so I can see why some folks are sceptical. Is there some sort of magnetism in the product that makes it cling to the metal parts and not get flushed out on the oil change, perhaps?...your thoughts?
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Hey packie
According to the site it lasts up to 10 years,can change colour after a while exposed to sunlight but apparently with no loss of secret uber powers!!!
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:rolleyes How is Activ8 any different?
So if these additives are so good, why aren't they in the oil to start with along with the countless other things?
It's a bit like saying why didn't they put a sensible front sprocket nut on, why do the exhausts rust, why do the cam chains wear so quick, etc.
I'd imagine it's a money thing, as always, to keep costs down. Add to that the fact that it's an after market product, which applies to most things.
I'm not the marketing rep here, i'm just saying i've used it and i say it works!
You're trying to make a case but you are arguing blind.
If you don't believe me then there's only one way to find out for sure isn't there? :lol
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I can also vouch for activ8 working. I saw the demo years ago and asked all the same questions, but as an engineer I was impressed with the results. Its not a placebo effect, although I'm sceptical about how long its supposed to 'bind' with the metal between oil changes. The results from experiencing the product are definately noticeable, but they won't put it in mainstream oils, because you wouldn't want to make them too good so they don't need changing. Its a supply and demand world, the salesmen know how to sell. :rolleyes
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I like this topic,it's a nice winter warmer, a wee dram,log fire,slippers & a good old discussion,actually who am i kidding-more like a bottle o buckfast tonic wine in my pre fab house & a bun fight :D ,it's true to the foc-u style though i think.
Anyway to stoke the fire a bit more i seemed to piss off mr activ8 by the mere mention of nay sayers of his product so here's his reply,ok so trying to be impartial i suppose he didnt actually answer my questions directly but it's worth posting anyway, so:-
"Firstly, thank you for your order. Your order is being procesed and will be despatched today via the Royal Mail 1st Class Recorded Delivery service.
You mentioned that members of a forum you have been involved with have been discussing the ACTIV8 Universal Friction Reducer. Those that have used ACTIV8 products have all been duelly impressed with no down sides reported. However, there are others on the forum, proporting to be knowledgable about a product they have neither handled or used themselves and suggesting that the use of our product will cause unwanted issues.
Firstly, be very wary of so called experts as they nearly always hold a hidden agenda and also be aware of a companies long established (20years) reputation for supplying products that are balanced and designed for purpose and that have been used in many extreme applications that no general consumer would ever get these products to perform in and have all performed beyond expectation.
We have given up in trying to educate people that believe they 'know it all' and have decided instead to offer every customer a 100% no quibble guarantee as an assurance to all customers that if for ANY reason they are unsatisfied with our products, they may return them (used or otherwise) for a FULL refund. No other lubricant company offer such a service.
We are no longer interested in trying to convince 'know it alls' about the technology that goes in to our products but what we do do is stand by every customer that does used them and hopefully give them a customer service second to none.
Please feel free to publish our response. I know my responce seems very insulting to some, but after producing and providing products, for this amount of time, that do as they say we are just getting a little long in the tooth repeating the same arguments time and time again.
Thank you again for your order. If you have any questions about the use of our products, please do not hesitate to contact me again and I'll be happy to help
Best Regards
Chris Simpson
Support
ACTIV8 Lubricants Limited
Millriggs Park
Hightae
Lockerbie
DG11 1JL
Tel: +44 (0)1387 811007 (http://foc-u.co.uk/tel:+44%20(0)1387%20811007)
Fax: +44 (0)1387 811008 (http://foc-u.co.uk/tel:+44%20(0)1387%20811008)
Email: info@activ8.co.uk
Web: http://www.activ8.co.uk (http://www.activ8.co.uk/)
Manufacturer of the following brands:
Established in 1993 to provide aftermarket fuel and oil products that provide gains in efficency and working life.
ACTIV8 Universal Friction Reducer is an oil additive for engines and transmissions that reduces metal to metal wear by up to 90% and is guaranteed not to invalidate manufacturers' warranties. Guarranteed to provide a minimum 5%* gain in BHP/Economy or your money back!
(* = guarantee applies to a vehicles improved BHP/economy when using ACTIV8 Universal Friction Reducer in both the engine and transmission.)
ACTIV8 Chain Lube: A balanced, highly penetrative lubricant offering anti fling capabilities allowing extention of mechanical life of the chain which in turn allows less losses due to friction and therefore gains in performance and/or economy.
ACTIV8 Chain Cleaner: A balanced, highly penetrative and effective cleaner that includes a lubricant primer to magnify gains in performance and/or economy when used with the ACTIV8 Chain Lube:.
Stockists can be found by clicking on http://www.activ8.co.uk (http://www.activ8.co.uk/)"
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Nice work, somebody else believes me :)
If you really wanted to put a spanner in the works you should have changed his name to "Darrsi" :lol
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I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".
And his grammar and spelling is atrocious :stop
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I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".
And his grammar and spelling is atrocious :stop
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You can see where he's coming from though, it's for that very reason in my first post i stated that i've not really spoken much about Activ8 before, and it's simply because i can't be arsed with having to explain myself, and the product. :wall
I couldn't give a monkey's if nobody buys it, it's more for me. :woot
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One thing to bear in mind is that each Oil manufacturer already carefully blends the exact right amount of additives ( Polymers, detergents, dispersants, anti oxidants, antifoam agents etc ) and the oil is tested and certified to meet certain specifications ie ACEA, JASO etc - you start adding other stuff and the carefully blended specification is out of the window ...
Its your money, but with my money i prefer to use good qaulity oil with the additive ratio as it was designed for...
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Can I see where he's coming from? Kinda, but only up to a point. I get it must be frustrating, but he's in business to sell a product. That means you have to do marketing. There are lots of people out there who can't stand (to use just one example) McDonald's (I'm one of them), but McDonald's don't tell them to sod off.
Yes, he gets asked the same questions a lot. So, instead of having a rant, which is almost certainly essentially a prepared piece, put the effort into preparing a robust defence of the product. Include their evidence (or links to it), and he'd get a lot more respect from me. At least I wouldn't be tempted to think he's hiding something, and pasting that into his response would take exactly the same amount of time.
Who knows, he might even get an extra sale from it - which he'll be lucky to do from that reply!
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There is a balance to it all. Does anyone remember the million mile test of Mobil 1 on a BMW325 about 15-20 years ago? They ran it on Mobil 1 and after the mileage was covered, they blueprinted the engine to find the wear on the car covering about 10k!!
So good oil is good stuff!
The activ8 comes into its own if you run the engine dry for whatever reason, and it keeps on going without fatal damage occuring for a limited time. Its also beneficial for bikes with the gearbox sharing the engine oil.
Swings and roundabouts spring to mind! If you don't want it, don't buy it, but don't knock it till you tried it! :D
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I'm not knocking it, I've never tried it, and am not a mechanical engineer.
I just think he's doing his company no favours whatsoever, which is slightly odd especially in the current climate - his response on the whole makes me less likely to try it.
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Found this on a type-r forum,amongst other stuff about oil, one part stood out which ive underlined:-
"Although the basestock of an oil will be a major determining factor in the lubrication quality of an oil, chemical additives play a major part in making sure that it does all that it is supposed to do. The chemical additive package of an oil is just as important to insuring the quality of a lubricant as is the particular basestock used.The chemical additive package of an oil is designed to perform a number of tasks and each task is performed by a particular type of chemical. The quality of the chemicals used and the manner in which they are blended plays a large part in determining how well the additive package does its job.
As the quality of the additive chemicals increases, so does the price. In addition, proper blending takes a great deal of research. This requires much time and, again, money.
Therefore, manufacturers will, of course, charge more for motor oils which contain a high quality additive package than those with lower quality additive packages. They simply can't afford not to.
Each chemical within an oils additive package plays a different role in boosting the beneficial properties of it's host lubricant (basestock). "
So maybe it is a cost thing,perhaps companies would add it if people were prepared to pay the price which they aren't or maybe they can't add it because they don't own the patent for that additive.
Or maybe not who knows,im prepared to give it a go anyway.
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Found this on a type-r forum,amongst other stuff about oil, one part stood out which ive underlined:-
"Although the basestock of an oil will be a major determining factor in the lubrication quality of an oil, chemical additives play a major part in making sure that it does all that it is supposed to do. The chemical additive package of an oil is just as important to insuring the quality of a lubricant as is the particular basestock used.The chemical additive package of an oil is designed to perform a number of tasks and each task is performed by a particular type of chemical. The quality of the chemicals used and the manner in which they are blended plays a large part in determining how well the additive package does its job.
As the quality of the additive chemicals increases, so does the price. In addition, proper blending takes a great deal of research. This requires much time and, again, money.
Therefore, manufacturers will, of course, charge more for motor oils which contain a high quality additive package than those with lower quality additive packages. They simply can't afford not to.
Each chemical within an oils additive package plays a different role in boosting the beneficial properties of it's host lubricant (basestock). "
So maybe it is a cost thing,perhaps companies would add it if people were prepared to pay the price which they aren't or maybe they can't add it because they don't own the patent for that additive.
Or maybe not who knows,im prepared to give it a go anyway.
This is already the case with cheap oils and expensive oils...
When you pay more you are paying for expensive additives that fight friction, corrosion, give better adheasion,reduce drag and foaming, the list goes on...
imho if you are using decent oil you need not worry about expensive extra additives...
Fighting friction is only half the story when it comes to oil.. film thickness and visosity temp range are far more importent to protecting it from going bang!
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I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".
You must have interpreted differently than I did. I didn't get a "sod off if you don't like it" in his message. I got more of a "this product works 100% and if you don't think so, we will refund you even if you used the product and we will call it quits". I don't think a company can be fairer than that.[size=78%] [/size]
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I can cope with a company providing a robust defence of their product (too much namby pamby wishy-washy-ness in the world), but this isn't really that, is it? It's just "sod off if you don't like it".
You must have interpreted differently than I did. I didn't get a "sod off if you don't like it" in his message. I got more of a "this product works 100% and if you don't think so, we will refund you even if you used the product and we will call it quits". I don't think a company can be fairer than that.
Agreed, in this day and age a 100% guarantee is fairly faultless.......
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To all you non believers, call their bluff!
If you don't like it, get a refund!
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To all you non believers, call their bluff!
If you don't like it, get a refund!
I'll give it a pop, I think. Only thing is that I'll have to wait a few months as I only did an oil change recently. :\
It would be handy if it helped the gear change as 1st to 2nd isn't the sweetest. Thats one strong point with the Bandits that I owned....nice slick gearboxes. The Fazer reminds me of my old XS1100 beast with the same 1st to 2nd traits were you really want to change gear instantly or else you get a more "crunching" sounding gear change. So any improvement there would be most welcome. It's not costing an arm and a leg either if you couldn't even be bothered sending it back.
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To all you non believers, call their bluff!
If you don't like it, get a refund!
I'll give it a pop, I think. Only thing is that I'll have to wait a few months as I only did an oil change recently. :\
It would be handy if it helped the gear change as 1st to 2nd isn't the sweetest. Thats one strong point with the Bandits that I owned....nice slick gearboxes. The Fazer reminds me of my old XS1100 beast with the same 1st to 2nd traits were you really want to change gear instantly or else you get a more "crunching" sounding gear change. So any improvement there would be most welcome. It's not costing an arm and a leg either if you couldn't even be bothered sending it back.
If you did an oil change recently then that's not a problem at all, just add it now.
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I would say the activ8 guy could have been a little more helpful but im not overly bothered by his reply.
I'm tempted to mail him again.
Quick delivery though, my bottle just arrived in the post & i didnt order it til yesterday lunch time.
Im tempted to chuck some in my car but i've got an ongoing issue with an exhaust pressure sensor that should be fixed soon,in the interests of science & all that i'll wait til that's sorted first so i'm not changing too many variables.it's the mega efficient 3 cylinder motor & i consistently get about 500 miles out've tank local driving.if it makes a difference i'll notice.the engine noise will be hard to prove other than my personal opinion,suppose i could take a video but noise can differ so much depending on atmospherics/wind etc.
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Have to agree with Rich there, that's a piss-poor responce (sic) from Mr Activ8.
No link to independent research to verify his claims. No citations from any engine manufacturers to say they recommend the use of this snake oil. No major lubricant producers lining up to say Silkolene/Putoline/Castrol would be improved by adding the stuff to their oil would overcome some deficit in their own additive packages. Just a warning to be wary of us unbelievers for we have a hidden agenda. :lol
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To all you non believers, call their bluff!
If you don't like it, get a refund!
Thinking a bit more - no, I'm not going to call their bluff. If he can't be arsed to provide, in response to a reasonable question, some scientific evidence, then I'm not gambling with my expensive motor. Getting my money back on the product doesn't come into it.
Stuff him and his product.
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If it is a miracle cure why not sell the formula to the major oil manufactures for millions instead of 20 quid a bottle? The oil manufactures produce it by the barrel load and the price comes down. There's not much on their site about testing either.
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If it is a miracle cure why not sell the formula to the major oil manufactures for millions instead of 20 quid a bottle? The oil manufactures produce it by the barrel load and the price comes down. There's not much on their site about testing either.
If the majors wanted to use it, they would. And they don't need to get it from Activ8 either: chlorinated paraffin (the active ingredient) was being used as a cheap EP additive 60 years ago, there's no secret about it and it's not patented. The reason they don't use it (aside from the bio-accumulative problem) is that it's hard to prevent the stuff causing corrosion.
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Appreciate your comments chaps,some good points there
But i'm willing to risk life & limb & machinery to get mr disky the information he strives
That's the type of foccer i am
Hey disky whats your address for when things go bang,u got paypal?? :lol
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To all you non believers, call their bluff!
If you don't like it, get a refund!
Thinking a bit more - no, I'm not going to call their bluff. If he can't be arsed to provide, in response to a reasonable question, some scientific evidence, then I'm not gambling with my expensive motor. Getting my money back on the product doesn't come into it.
Stuff him and his product.
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Hardly a gamble is it, i've been using it for years and my bike's running sweeeeet. :D
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Appreciate your comments chaps,some good points there
But i'm willing to risk life & limb & machinery to get mr disky the information he strives
That's the type of foccer i am
Hey disky whats your address for when things go bang,u got paypal?? :lol
Sorry Noggy,, im just an automated response from a laptop somewhere in cyber space ;)
Ordered some tho ;)
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And his grammar and spelling is atrocious :stop
Does that mean that every person that sells a product needs a degree, diploma or teachers qualification to reply ? :lol :lol
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Nope, but if you're serious about selling, you need to look professional. He doesn't. He looks shoddy, like he just rushed something off.
And what is there to make me believe he's any more professional about product development - which needs much more care than simply using a spell & grammar checker.
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You'll come round rich,i got the big bottle if you want to buy some,i can write you a correctly spelled letter with some creative claims if it makes you feel better...actually:-
I feel epic just looking at the bottle!!!
Is that happening to you yet disky???
There's definately some special powers in that bottle.
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Quality article alert!
http://skepdic.com/slick50.html (http://skepdic.com/slick50.html)
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And a nice quote,,,,[/size]
The goal of critical thinking is to arrive at the most reasonable beliefs and take the most reasonable actions. We have evolved, however, not to seek the truth, but to survive and reproduce. Critical thinking is an unnatural act. By nature, we're driven to confirm and defend our current beliefs, even to the point of irrationality. We are prone to reject evidence that conflicts with our beliefs and to attack those who offer such evidence.[/color]
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Quality article alert!
[url]http://skepdic.com/slick50.html[/url] ([url]http://skepdic.com/slick50.html[/url])
I did say earlier that Slick50 is not like Activ8, 'cos Activ8 doesn't have PTFE in it which may cause clutch slip!
"....It works with all commercially available lubricants and contains no solids such as PTFE (Teflon), molybdenum, copper, lead, etc...."
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It's all snake oil ;)
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If anyone goes to the Ally Pally bike show keep an eye out for a demo of it, 'cos that's where i first saw it.
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Darrsi, this demo you saw - was it the one armed bandit demo?
Mebbe you oughta watch this... Exposing the "One Arm Bandit" - AMSOIL Information Series (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne7ayhPVVYY#ws)
Me, I ain't putting shampoo in my engine :rollin :rollin
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Maybe this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ldl01tUaM4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ldl01tUaM4)
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Firstly, the "One Armed Bandit" is obviously a standard bit of test equipment in the oil industry.
Secondly, in the Activ8 demo the wheel didn't stop moving at all, and neither did it overheat. :smokin
Little bit different to shampoo don't you think?
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The point being, from the first video, that the one armed bandit doesn't prove anything :rolleyes
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The point being, from the first video, that the one armed bandit doesn't prove anything :rolleyes
You mean apart from the huge fact that the wheel didn't stop at all even though the bar was being bent something silly?
C'mon now, that has to mean something?
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Well i'm sold
The first video proves that the testers are american so clearly demented and confused.
Second video proves that a machine was custom made just for peeps like us arguing about oil.how cool is that!
Im still sold££££
Anyone got any time share i can buy....extended warranty for my hoover????
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just looking at the floor plan for the excel show and activ8 have a stand.......wonder if there doing the same demo ;)
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just looking at the floor plan for the excel show and activ8 have a stand.......wonder if there doing the same demo ;)
Yeah, come and say hello...... oops....... i mean, go and have a look :thumbup
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Would a friction reducer cause clutch slip.
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Would a friction reducer cause clutch slip.
No, Activ8 works with metal against metal only, i've had no trouble at all.
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Spoke to the guy on the stand. He said its a load of foccin shit so dont bother i'm sellin up because all those fuks @ foc-u put me outta buisness.
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Spoke to the guy on the stand. He said its a load of foccin shit so dont bother i'm sellin up because all those fuks @ foc-u put me outta buisness.
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Did you buy a bottle?
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He gave me one for free cos he was sellin his van and he couldnt cart all his shit product back home. So i binned it. Lol
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Good pic exupnut
I didnt know darrsi had grey hair though!
Could you the smell the awsomosity from that distance?
Did you put it in just the engine oil or gearbox oil also?
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went to have a look at this activ8 at excel.......looks like the same demo as the yanks.....old boy whos doing the demo is defo not an engineer....hes a salesman.....ask a question outside his patter and hes lost....he chose the youngest member to do the test who just about stopped the bearing with standard engine oil......failed to stop it using active 8.....i had a go and stopped the wheel reasonably easy but what put me of was the grinding noise :eek :eek salesman blamed it on the testing tool mounting and bench :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes ......iam not convinced.....you cant beat regular oil changes,its as easy as that :D
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All jokes aside, the jury's still out i think
Can't wait to try it out though
A gut feeling tells me it wont do anything, but i certainly dont think it'll do any harm,besides how many of us with a second hand bike have already had it/got it in our bike already considering how many bike shows it has been to.
It will be interesting to see longer term when the mileages get up a bit as to how many problems folk have and whether or not they used it.
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"....Did you put it in just the engine oil or gearbox oil also?...."
Is that a trick question?
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Well it kinda was until i realised what i'd written & before i had time to delete it...well nowt gets passed you
Ever seen a dog chasing its own tail before......that's me!!!! :o
I'll get back to my 'ladybird my first motorcycle' book & shut up now!
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Hahahahaha........i thought you knew something i didn't for a minute.
I was thinking "Gearbox oil, i don't remember ever changing that?" :lmao2
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Well i just had me first pint of it and foc me if me wankin arm aint smoother....it does work after all
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Well i know foc all about bikes!!!
Wanking however :b :b :b .....
Where's my foccin activ8 :lol
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They will have a stand at the Scottish Motorcycle Show next weekend at Ingliston Showground
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Slippery buggers get everywhere...... :lol
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When you pay more you are paying for expensive additives that fight friction, corrosion, give better adheasion,reduce drag and foaming, the list goes on...
As well as GP racer's multimilion sponsorships, CEO's gigantic bonuses etc. :)
imho if you are using decent oil you need not worry about expensive extra additives...
Fighting friction is only half the story when it comes to oil.. film thickness and visosity temp range are far more importent to protecting it from going bang!
Couldn't agree more. Good, expensive, oil is good enough for all the bikes and cars I've seen. All the extra aditives have turned out to be snake oil. Good engines will run and run and run on just good oil changed regularly and warmed up before full throttle.
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@Slaninar, you've tried it then? :rolleyes
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@Slaninar, you've tried it then? :rolleyes
I haven't tried it - regular good quality oil is good enough. But you do have a point. I'd like to see an independent test:
2 engines. One run for 500 hours on regular quality oil, the other run the same period on oil with magic aditives. Then measure and compare wear. Same change periods, same revs etc.
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@Slaninar, you've tried it then? :rolleyes
I haven't tried it - regular good quality oil is good enough. But you do have a point. I'd like to see an independent test:
2 engines. One run for 500 hours on regular quality oil, the other run the same period on oil with magic aditives. Then measure and compare wear. Same change periods, same revs etc.
It's all about the feel of things, when i first tried it i seriously noticed smoother gear changing.
I'm not making it up, honest :lol
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I've been watching this thread with interest for a while.
I have used slick 50 in some cars over 20 years ago, but I cannot see the advantage now with the quality of semi synthetic and fully synthetic oil available. Strangely I never considered using additives in my bikes in all my time of owning them.
However I would believe it is down to personal choice.
Would be interesting if any of the high milers on this forum have used it.
I have not used any additives, just Silkolene 10W40 semi synthetic every 4000 miles and filter every second change and have 74000 and a bit miles up.
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You know, I wrote about it earlier on another thread but Silkolene semi made the gear change feel a bit smoother than the HG semi that I'm currently using...
Weird.
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You know, I wrote about it earlier on another thread but Silkolene semi made the gear change feel a bit smoother than the HG semi that I'm currently using...
Weird.
2 guys working with oils (one of them working for Silkolene though) have recommended Silkolene oil as the best option price AND quality wise for the Fazer. Semi sinth silkolene Comp 4 in 10w40, or 15w50 (summer).
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This post need a bit more forum to forum friction:-
to stoke the fire up a bit more here's a little testimonial about activ8...amen! :evil :evil :evil
After a demonstration at the Nantwich Thundersprint, and having seen the video, I bought a litre of Activ8 and put it in all of my family's vehicles, including a Fiat Cinquecento, A Vauxhall Vectra 1.9CDTI, a Skoda Octavia VRS and a Yamaha TRX850. In each and every case, the motor has been smoother, quieter and more responsive. The Yamaha motorbike had a leap in performance just as if it had been run-in again. I recommended Activ8 to a friend for his late-model air-cooled Porsche 911, and he reports that the oil temperature has dropped significantly as a result. I have a small aircraft (an ARV Super2) with a twin-rotor MidWest Wankel engine, and I propose to put Activ8 in that engine as well, because rotary engines run very hot and it will be reassuring to know that an in-flight engine failure will be much less likely. I'm really impressed with Activ8 - it's amazing stuff! Name: Mr Lyons Area: Newcastle-under-Lyme Make: Yamaha Model: TRX850 Year: 1997
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A Silkolene worker recommending Silkolene..........shocking :lol
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Attention-my car & activ8 are now as one!!!!! :eek :eek :eek
Off for a friction free 60 mile round trip...
What will the future hold :'( or :D
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Attention-my car & activ8 are now as one!!!!! :eek :eek :eek
Off for a friction free 60 mile round trip...
What will the future hold :'( or :D
As long as you don't hit 88mph and you'll be fine :lol
(http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/Marty-doc-remote.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1332868121345)
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Attention-my car & activ8 are now as one!!!!! :eek :eek :eek
Off for a friction free 60 mile round trip...
What will the future hold :'( or :D
As long as you don't hit 88mph and you'll be fine :lol
([url]http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/Marty-doc-remote.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1332868121345[/url])
Hit 100 in 4th gear, small coal,perhaps....but it is a 1.2 diesel estate
I kid you not all,barely had time to circulate & the engine feels better already,smoother & more powerful.
I didnt have chance to check the mpg as i was busy enjoying the new lease of life but it wasnt my usual journey anyway,shall test it out going to work on tuesday at usual speeds & tempo.
Im sold though. :)
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Hoorah...... :woot :woot :woot
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I'm slowly coming round to the idea if this. It's not so much that I doubted their claims as whether I was prepared to fork out the money to verify them :P
A quick query; how much do you use? Had a quick look on the website and a flick through this thread but couldn't find anything (but I am blind to the obvious sometimes...). Reason I ask is that I would do both the car and bike.
I noted that the 125ml was for cars up to 1800cc and bikes up to 800cc but was curious as to exactly how far it gets you.
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It says 25ml to 50ml per litre of oil.
Bike's got a 2.5 litre sump.
First time just stick the whole 125ml bottle in your bike. Then what i did was put half a bottle in after 4 oil changes, although they say 5.
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Been out in the car to the shops n cuttin about town,totally lost it's trademark rattle
Now purring :car
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It says 25ml to 50ml per litre of oil.
Bike's got a 2.5 litre sump.
First time just stick the whole 125ml bottle in your bike. Then what i did was put half a bottle in after 4 oil changes, although they say 5.
Awesome thanks :) Damn 6-7 litre car sump :(
Activ8 is going to wait since I'm going to need half a litre of the stuff by the seems of things...
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It says 25ml to 50ml per litre of oil.
Bike's got a 2.5 litre sump.
First time just stick the whole 125ml bottle in your bike. Then what i did was put half a bottle in after 4 oil changes, although they say 5.
I'm a GB measurements guy and get confused by metric, however should that be 25ml to 500ml? Otherwise 2.5L (which I presume is 2,500ml) of oil would need 10 bottles of Active8? Or is one bottle 1,250ml?
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It says 25ml to 50ml per litre of oil.
Bike's got a 2.5 litre sump.
First time just stick the whole 125ml bottle in your bike. Then what i did was put half a bottle in after 4 oil changes, although they say 5.
I'm a GB measurements guy and get confused by metric, however should that be 25ml to 500ml? Otherwise 2.5L (which I presume is 2,500ml) of oil would need 10 bottles of Active8? Or is one bottle 1,250ml?
Assuming; 25ml to 50ml per litre
2500ml = 2.5 litres
Amount of Activ8 = 2.5 * 25 to 50 = 62.5ml to 125ml
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1 x Fazer = 1 x 125ml bottle ;)
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Most engine wear is caused when the engine is started from cold and before the oil reaches its optimum viscosity. Once the engine and oil are up to temp wear is reduced, if the additive is able to adhere to the surfaces as in the case of PTFE to protect cold starting damage it will make it quieter when cold . As to weather it is an advantage in a warm engine running on quality oil is questionable . Having been in the motor trade for some 30 years, and have used most of the additives at some time with no ill effects only quieter and smoother cold running ,if you dont try it you will never know ..........;)
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No PTFE in Activ8, Google Activ8 oil, all is explained :)
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I think he was using PTFE as an example, not suggesting that Activ8 contained it
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It says 25ml to 50ml per litre of oil.
Bike's got a 2.5 litre sump.
First time just stick the whole 125ml bottle in your bike. Then what i did was put half a bottle in after 4 oil changes, although they say 5.
I'm a GB measurements guy and get confused by metric, however should that be 25ml to 500ml? Otherwise 2.5L (which I presume is 2,500ml) of oil would need 10 bottles of Active8? Or is one bottle 1,250ml?
Assuming; 25ml to 50ml per litre
2500ml = 2.5 litres
Amount of Activ8 = 2.5 * 25 to 50 = 62.5ml to 125ml
Aha! I was reading it as "25ml to 50ml of oil", which makes no sense now I think of it :lol
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It says 25ml to 50ml per litre of oil.
Bike's got a 2.5 litre sump.
First time just stick the whole 125ml bottle in your bike. Then what i did was put half a bottle in after 4 oil changes, although they say 5.
I'm a GB measurements guy and get confused by metric, however should that be 25ml to 500ml? Otherwise 2.5L (which I presume is 2,500ml) of oil would need 10 bottles of Active8? Or is one bottle 1,250ml?
Assuming; 25ml to 50ml per litre
2500ml = 2.5 litres
Amount of Activ8 = 2.5 * 25 to 50 = 62.5ml to 125ml
Aha! I was reading it as "25ml to 50ml of oil", which makes no sense now I think of it :lol
Here you go: http://activ8lubricants.com/used%20in (http://activ8lubricants.com/used%20in)
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Well, my bike has been away for months,,,,,, got 12ml of activate and stuck it in the car, a 2010 Fiesta TDCI with 106,000 miles on it (im a driving instructor) Resent the odo and economy thingy,, and it went from 48 to 53mpg within a few hours,,, and it was being driven on test so no special treatment from me.
Bike next :)
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Well, my bike has been away for months,,,,,, got 12ml of activate and stuck it in the car, a 2010 Fiesta TDCI with 106,000 miles on it (im a driving instructor) Resent the odo and economy thingy,, and it went from 48 to 53mpg within a few hours,,, and it was being driven on test so no special treatment from me.
Bike next :)
Hoorah again....... :woot :woot :woot
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I don't believe adding that stuff increased your fuel economy by 5mpg. If an increase of more than 10% was possible don't you think manufacturers would use/recommend it?
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I don't believe adding that stuff increased your fuel economy by 5mpg. If an increase of more than 10% was possible don't you think manufacturers would use/recommend it?
It's an after market product, that's how businesses make money!
That's no different to saying why didn't Yamaha put a stainless exhaust, better lights, etc, on the Fazer. Or why are there different types of fuel, unleaded or super, or different prices of oils?
It's a money thing.......
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I don't believe adding that stuff increased your fuel economy by 5mpg. If an increase of more than 10% was possible don't you think manufacturers would use/recommend it?
It's an after market product, that's how businesses make money!
That's no different to saying why didn't Yamaha put a stainless exhaust, better lights, etc, on the Fazer. Or why are there different types of fuel, unleaded or super, or different prices of oils?
It's a money thing.......
These days in particular mpg/emissions tends to be pretty high on a lot of peoples list when buying a car. If a manufacturer can increase it by over 10% by adding a couple of quids worth of additive they would.
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I don't believe adding that stuff increased your fuel economy by 5mpg. If an increase of more than 10% was possible don't you think manufacturers would use/recommend it?
It's an after market product, that's how businesses make money!
That's no different to saying why didn't Yamaha put a stainless exhaust, better lights, etc, on the Fazer. Or why are there different types of fuel, unleaded or super, or different prices of oils?
It's a money thing.......
These days in particular mpg/emissions tends to be pretty high on a lot of peoples list when buying a car. If a manufacturer can increase it by over 10% by adding a couple of quids worth of additive they would.
Only one way to find out isn't there......
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In this case it's down to how it's been driven. 48mpg in a diesel fiesta isn't that good.
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Well, my bike has been away for months,,,,,, got 12ml of activate and stuck it in the car, a 2010 Fiesta TDCI with 106,000 miles on it (im a driving instructor) Resent the odo and economy thingy,, and it went from 48 to 53mpg within a few hours,,, and it was being driven on test so no special treatment from me.
Bike next :)
I presume you mean 125ml, if it was 12ml than that really was a miracle..... :eek
125ml is for a bike, i think you're supposed to use double that for a car, but if you feel like it's doing something then happy days!
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In this case it's down to how it's been driven. 48mpg in a diesel fiesta isn't that good.
Wouldn't have a clue, i know sod all about cars, other than that they get in the way...... :grumble
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Wouldn't have a clue, i know sod all about cars, other than that they get in the way...... :grumble
:D
I regularly get 50+ out of a mondeo tdci with 144k on the clock. Hasn't even had an oil change since I've had it, let alone any additives :look
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I'm using the Metabond products (Metabond 4T) in my bike. It was developed to reduce friction and save the engine. Also provides more power. Got it from ebay, but I think they have webshop as well :rollin
Does anyone use any oil additives in the engine oil ?
Was thinking of using "Activ8" friction reducer
any advice ?
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
If your engine ever blows up darrsi we'll know that all of these potions don't work :lol
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
If your engine ever blows up darrsi we'll know that all of these potions don't work :lol
I'm not being drawn in :tape :tape :tape
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I used ZX1 in mine last year, engine seemed much quieter and 'free' after. Im all for additives.
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I used ZX1 in mine last year, engine seemed much quieter and 'free' after. Im all for additives.
Does the engine feel happier like it's had a good back massage? :lol
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
If your engine ever blows up darrsi we'll know that all of these potions don't work :lol
What if it outlasts everyone else's, it'll be too late then, and you won't know what you've missed? ;)
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
If your engine ever blows up darrsi we'll know that all of these potions don't work :lol
What if it outlasts everyone else's, it'll be too late then, and you won't know what you've missed? ;)
If in 100 years your engine is mint and mine has slight wear I'll agree it's made a difference :lol With all this stuff if you think in your head it's running better then in a way it has worked.
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
If your engine ever blows up darrsi we'll know that all of these potions don't work :lol
What if it outlasts everyone else's, it'll be too late then, and you won't know what you've missed? ;)
If in 100 years your engine is mint and mine has slight wear I'll agree it's made a difference :lol With all this stuff if you think in your head it's running better then in a way it has worked.
I'll let you know in 2114 :)
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For anyone wishing to make an informed decision about oil additives, try typing the name of the product and MSDS into Google. That'll give you the material safety data sheet which tells you what the constituent chemicals are. Searching for information on the constituents is usually much more revealing than the the testimonials and sales patter that a search for the end product gives.
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Oh my.........what have you done :lol
If your engine ever blows up darrsi we'll know that all of these potions don't work :lol
What if it outlasts everyone else's, it'll be too late then, and you won't know what you've missed? ;)
If in 100 years your engine is mint and mine has slight wear I'll agree it's made a difference :lol With all this stuff if you think in your head it's running better then in a way it has worked.
Maybe I should buy another K&N filter now as well, they'll probably be about £1000 in 100 years time. :lol
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Thinking of giving this a go in my ZX9R - where's the best place to buy from?
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Thinking of giving this a go in my ZX9R - where's the best place to buy from?
Cheaper on Ebay, but still from the same company.
Don't worry about the description, it's all the same stuff.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Seicento-Tempra-Tipo-Uno-Activ8-oil-additive-/270584279211?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f001470ab (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fiat-Seicento-Tempra-Tipo-Uno-Activ8-oil-additive-/270584279211?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3f001470ab)
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I use zx1, its in my car (turbo diesel) I had it in my vfr 800 and its now in my gen 1 thou ,I swear by it