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General => General => Topic started by: darrsi on 22 January 2017, 01:58:53 pm
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I use this stuff once a year, and have found it to be one of the only liquids that actually does a good job.
Plus it makes a change to get a good deal out of Halfords for once.
Just been pointed out that it's 50% off in store.
http://www.halfords.com/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/fuel-oil-additives/stp-complete-fuel-system-cleaner-petrol-400ml (http://www.halfords.com/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/fuel-oil-additives/stp-complete-fuel-system-cleaner-petrol-400ml)
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Good shout darrsi, been after getting some redex so might give this a go instead. Rather something that someone's had some kind of results from 🖒
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Good shout darrsi, been after getting some redex so might give this a go instead. Rather something that someone's had some kind of results from 🖒
I've tried Redex several times over the years but without any noticeable difference.
Make sure you only buy the "Complete Fuel System" version though.
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ok, I'll be the first with the numpty questions
1. I take it you're putting it in the bike as opposed to a cage?
2. are you running fuel low, putting this in then topping the tank up?
end of numptiness :lol
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ok, I'll be the first with the numpty questions
1. I take it you're putting it in the bike as opposed to a cage?
2. are you running fuel low, putting this in then topping the tank up? Mixes better this way fella !
end of numptiness :lol
Numpty Q answered. Basics....................feckin basics :lol
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Never driven a car, so not applicable to me.
I think a bottle is meant to treat about 60 litres of fuel (don't quote me on that) but i now shove the whole bottle into a full tank of fuel and let it do its thing.
I use it 'cos of my daily short runs, i don't get to blast the bike as much as i'd like these days, so it certainly works for me.
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There are several petrols available that claim to do the same thing as the STP stuff, so if you must, you might as well just use BP Ultimate or a similar fuel rather than waste money on a 'treatment'.
It is debateable if these cleaners do anything at all really, if you think your carbs, pipes etc really are dirty causing poor running then the proper response is to dismantle them and clean them up properly, or at very least remove and inspect what lies at the bottom of a float bowl for clues to any contamination. If you really do have a problem then adding snake oil and hoping for the best is a waste of time and money.
You never see before and after pictures of what these treatments are supposed to do, anybody got some?
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There are several petrols available that claim to do the same thing as the STP stuff, so if you must, you might as well just use BP Ultimate or a similar fuel rather than waste money on a 'treatment'.
It is debateable if these cleaners do anything at all really, if you think your carbs, pipes etc really are dirty causing poor running then the proper response is to dismantle them and clean them up properly, or at very least remove and inspect what lies at the bottom of a float bowl for clues to any contamination. If you really do have a problem then adding snake oil and hoping for the best is a waste of time and money.
You never see before and after pictures of what these treatments are supposed to do, anybody got some?
If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
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If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
So, I see, you want to use this forum as a noticeboard for your own personal proclamations and those who don't agree with you can expect an infantile response.
I thought forums were for discussion, I merely stated why I don't use this stuff (and by the way, most of us don't) and the reasons why.
Doing people a favour? Well, saving them money is a favour too.
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If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
So, I see, you want to use this forum as a noticeboard for your own personal proclamations and those who don't agree with you can expect an infantile response.
I thought forums were for discussion, I merely stated why I don't use this stuff (and by the way, most of us don't) and the reasons why.
Doing people a favour? Well, saving them money is a favour too.
All you've done is slag the product off, most likely without even ever trying it no doubt, which is your choice, and have indirectly hinted that it's totally useless.
Well i think you're talking bollocks, that's my opinion.
And great, you don't use it, bully for you, but that doesn't make anyone else an idiot for giving it a go does it?
You weren't discussing, you were sniping.
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The reviews left on the Halfords website from car users all seem very positive and i think for £7.50 a pot this isnt bad value for money, if if its helped a car driver through an emmissions test and subsequent MOT Pass surely its worth it for that?
http://www.halfords.com/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/fuel-oil-additives/stp-complete-fuel-system-cleaner-petrol-400ml (http://www.halfords.com/motoring/engine-oils-fluids/fuel-oil-additives/stp-complete-fuel-system-cleaner-petrol-400ml)
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Aftermarket additives often seem to generate an almost religious faith, typified by the sort of abusive over-reaction you get when you suggest some scientific evidence would be useful.
I haven't tried any of these treatments, regarding them as a complete rip-off. Added to which, I'd be very reluctant to use anything containing solvents such as xylene or trimethylbenzene as they're damaging to most types of rubber.
There's never been anything in my carbs by way of varnish deposits that these overpriced paraffin/detergent/paint thinner mixtures would be able to shift. The only time they have have suffered blocked jets it's been with inorganic metal salts and hydroxides caused by bimetallic corrosion... physical cleaning has been the solution.
I'd agree with the Pieman, the occasional tankful of high-detergent fuel is probably a more economical way of dealing with any varnish. And a long hard thrash is a more effective (and enjoyable) way of burning off any carbon deposits caused by a lot of short, slow journeys... it also has the side-effect of turning any mayonnaise in the sump back into oil.
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If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
So, I see, you want to use this forum as a noticeboard for your own personal proclamations and those who don't agree with you can expect an infantile response.
I thought forums were for discussion, I merely stated why I don't use this stuff (and by the way, most of us don't) and the reasons why.
Doing people a favour? Well, saving them money is a favour too.
All you've done is slag the product off, most likely without even ever trying it no doubt, which is your choice, and have indirectly hinted that it's totally useless.
Well i think you're talking bollocks, that's my opinion.
And great, you don't use it, bully for you, but that doesn't make anyone else an idiot for giving it a go does it?
You weren't discussing, you were sniping.
Why would i want to try it? My bike runs fine thanks and my fuel system is still every bit as clean as yours, with the bonus being I don't throw away money buying nonesense products in the meantime.
If you have a rough running machine get a diagnosis and then you'll know how it should be repaired, that's an engineering philosophy that goes back to the spinning wheel. A machine that sounds a bit 'throaty' is not a diagnosis of anything. Using STP just for the sake of it is like taking chloroquine every day just in case that cough you have is 'probably' malaria.
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If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
So, I see, you want to use this forum as a noticeboard for your own personal proclamations and those who don't agree with you can expect an infantile response.
I thought forums were for discussion, I merely stated why I don't use this stuff (and by the way, most of us don't) and the reasons why.
Doing people a favour? Well, saving them money is a favour too.
All you've done is slag the product off, most likely without even ever trying it no doubt, which is your choice, and have indirectly hinted that it's totally useless.
Well i think you're talking bollocks, that's my opinion.
And great, you don't use it, bully for you, but that doesn't make anyone else an idiot for giving it a go does it?
You weren't discussing, you were sniping.
Using STP just for the sake of it is like taking chloroquine every day just in case that cough you have is 'probably' malaria.
Coughing is not a symptom of Malaria......... Just saying.......... :thumbup
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If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
So, I see, you want to use this forum as a noticeboard for your own personal proclamations and those who don't agree with you can expect an infantile response.
I thought forums were for discussion, I merely stated why I don't use this stuff (and by the way, most of us don't) and the reasons why.
Doing people a favour? Well, saving them money is a favour too.
All you've done is slag the product off, most likely without even ever trying it no doubt, which is your choice, and have indirectly hinted that it's totally useless.
Well i think you're talking bollocks, that's my opinion.
And great, you don't use it, bully for you, but that doesn't make anyone else an idiot for giving it a go does it?
You weren't discussing, you were sniping.
Using STP just for the sake of it is like taking chloroquine every day just in case that cough you have is 'probably' malaria.
Coughing is not a symptom of Malaria......... Just saying.......... :thumbup
intentional false analogy.
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:lurk
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As I pointed out earlier, you were sniping.
Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
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Can we get back to arguing about politics again :evil
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Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
Well it wasn't, a counter explanation on why you think your bike needs magic potions to run properly was all i expected not arguement.
Why the offensive perjorative? How old are you?
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Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
Well it wasn't, a counter explanation on why you think your bike needs magic potions to run properly was all i expected not arguement.
Why the offensive perjorative? How old are you?
Waz two!! As four the perjorative, he isn't in kort and isn't lying :pokefun
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Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
Well it wasn't, a counter explanation on why you think your bike needs magic potions to run properly was all i expected not arguement.
Why the offensive perjorative? How old are you?
I'd already explained that the stuff has worked on my bike before, a few times actually, so why should i need a counter explanation? How many times do i need to say it, or do you want photos and proof?
Seeing as you seem to have the issue with this magical snake oil, how about you prove to everyone that it doesn't work?
Has it ever occurred to you that if someoneone had a clogged jet for instance they may not have the skills, tools, time, shelter from weather, or money to give to a mechanic to sort things out, but lo and behold, for a now bargain priced £7.50 the STP Cleaner may just sort them out, and by simply just riding the bike as normal?
I don't s'pose any of that crossed your mind really?
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Totally agree with darrsi If someone wants to put additives in their fuel why shouldn't they ? Surely it's their bike their money and their choice and all darrsi was doing was putting it out there that he does and it's half price at the mo and it works for him, I'm not mechanically confident enough to dismantle carbs and I'd think about it to help my fuel system If it saved a few hundred a quid for a mechanic to do the work Like mtread said let's go back to arguing about politics , it's sooooo much more fun :D
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
Are they pro Brexit ??
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
No,no,no, its a disease that people who are lucky enough to have a sex life catch.
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Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
Well it wasn't, a counter explanation on why you think your bike needs magic potions to run properly was all i expected not arguement.
Why the offensive perjorative? How old are you?
Has it ever occurred to you that if someoneone had a clogged jet for instance they may not have the skills, tools, time, shelter from weather, or money to give to a mechanic to sort things out, but lo and behold, for a now bargain priced £7.50 the STP Cleaner may just sort them out, and by simply just riding the bike as normal?
I don't s'pose any of that crossed your mind really?
No it didn't, which is why i was interested in your reasons for using it. Thank you for your reply, it makes sense, why didn't you post this reply in the first place rather than the ill tempered and foul mouthed diatribe you came out with.
The reason I don't use additives like STP is because I've never had any problems with symptoms that indicate a clogged fuel system. Maybe you should use a different petrol station, ask yourself how impurities are getting into your engine in the first place, although i would doubt there really is any.
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Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
Well it wasn't, a counter explanation on why you think your bike needs magic potions to run properly was all i expected not arguement.
Why the offensive perjorative? How old are you?
Has it ever occurred to you that if someoneone had a clogged jet for instance they may not have the skills, tools, time, shelter from weather, or money to give to a mechanic to sort things out, but lo and behold, for a now bargain priced £7.50 the STP Cleaner may just sort them out, and by simply just riding the bike as normal?
I don't s'pose any of that crossed your mind really?
No it didn't, which is why i was interested in your reasons for using it. Thank you for your reply, it makes sense, why didn't you post this reply in the first place rather than the ill tempered and foul mouthed diatribe you came out with.
The reason I don't use additives like STP is because I've never had any problems with symptoms that indicate a clogged fuel system. Maybe you should use a different petrol station, ask yourself how impurities are getting into your engine in the first place, although i would doubt there really is any.
Not that I want to start this up again but contempt breeds contempt and with all due respect your reply to darrsi's original post was a little on the shitty side hence I would suspect his reply.
Just saying what it looked liked to me.
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Now you're just being an argumentative twat, which I presume was your sole intention in the first place.
Well it wasn't, a counter explanation on why you think your bike needs magic potions to run properly was all i expected not arguement.
Why the offensive perjorative? How old are you?
Has it ever occurred to you that if someoneone had a clogged jet for instance they may not have the skills, tools, time, shelter from weather, or money to give to a mechanic to sort things out, but lo and behold, for a now bargain priced £7.50 the STP Cleaner may just sort them out, and by simply just riding the bike as normal?
I don't s'pose any of that crossed your mind really?
No it didn't, which is why i was interested in your reasons for using it. Thank you for your reply, it makes sense, why didn't you post this reply in the first place rather than the ill tempered and foul mouthed diatribe you came out with.
The reason I don't use additives like STP is because I've never had any problems with symptoms that indicate a clogged fuel system. Maybe you should use a different petrol station, ask yourself how impurities are getting into your engine in the first place, although i would doubt there really is any.
Let's just clear this up.
You were not "interested" to know why i use this product, you commented simply to put it down and say it was"snake oil".
If you've never had problems then that's just fine with me, good luck to you.
I get ill tempered and foul mouthed when someone attempts to patronise me and my attempt to point others in the direction of a simple bargain of a product that they will still use in the future, as i will, but is currently half the price. It's what people do, they help each other.
Now, as you say you don't use it, why are even having this "debate"?
It wasn't a debate i was after,it was a straight forward point in the right direction, and buy it or don't buy it, it's really not a problem if you don't, as it's not me selling it.
As for impurities in my engine, i do short journeys, most days all year round, the bike is for commuting purposes. So there's that small chance i could and probably do get deposits left in the system over time.
And d'ya know what, rather than me stripping my engine down with time that i haven't got i've found this novel way of given the insides a clean up using this additive at high strength by running it through a full tank of fuel.
My personal view, it works fine for my bike, no harm done, it's not breaking the bank, even more so now as the gear is half price, maybe it is a placebo effect but no i don't have photos of the inside of my engine to prove any real results, but then you have none to prove otherwise either, so we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
In future though may i suggest if you want to discuss or debate something that you take a more subtle approach, rather than just prodding me with a stick, 'cos i will bite.
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If you don't want it then don't fucking buy it you whingebag, nobody's forcing you are they???
Crikey, I try and do people a favour with stuff I've used over the years, and due to my short commutes I've found it to clear up any throatiness my bike has developed over time.
If you don't believe me, then I couldn't really give a shit, I'm not spending your money!
So, I see, you want to use this forum as a noticeboard for your own personal proclamations and those who don't agree with you can expect an infantile response.
I thought forums were for discussion, I merely stated why I don't use this stuff (and by the way, most of us don't) and the reasons why.
Doing people a favour? Well, saving them money is a favour too.
All you've done is slag the product off, most likely without even ever trying it no doubt, which is your choice, and have indirectly hinted that it's totally useless.
Well i think you're talking bollocks, that's my opinion.
And great, you don't use it, bully for you, but that doesn't make anyone else an idiot for giving it a go does it?
You weren't discussing, you were sniping.
Using STP just for the sake of it is like taking chloroquine every day just in case that cough you have is 'probably' malaria.
Coughing is not a symptom of Malaria......... Just saying.......... :thumbup
There an old saying and that is 'Nobody likes a smart arse' me I love smart arses. He he <<<< that was a laugh not a cough. No malaria here.
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Agrees with Skipper, this I'd better than the movies. :lurk :uhuh
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Totally agree with darrsi If someone wants to put additives in their fuel why shouldn't they ? Surely it's their bike their money and their choice and all darrsi was doing was putting it out there that he does and it's half price at the mo and it works for him, I'm not mechanically confident enough to dismantle carbs and I'd think about it to help my fuel system If it saved a few hundred a quid for a mechanic to do the work Like mtread said let's go back to arguing about politics , it's sooooo much more fun :D
Yes it's up to you to waste your money if you want, I'm not stopping you. But new riders read this forum and as an engineer who has worked on hundreds of marine engines (replacing some injectors this morning in fact) I feel that i probably have a reasonably valuable opinion on what you put in engines - and what you don't put in engines.
As I said before, just use BP Ultimate if you must.
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Totally agree with darrsi If someone wants to put additives in their fuel why shouldn't they ? Surely it's their bike their money and their choice and all darrsi was doing was putting it out there that he does and it's half price at the mo and it works for him, I'm not mechanically confident enough to dismantle carbs and I'd think about it to help my fuel system If it saved a few hundred a quid for a mechanic to do the work Like mtread said let's go back to arguing about politics , it's sooooo much more fun :D
Yes it's up to you to waste your money if you want, I'm not stopping you. But new riders read this forum and as an engineer who has worked on hundreds of marine engines (replacing some injectors this morning in fact) I feel that i probably have a reasonably valuable opinion on what you put in engines - and what you don't put in engines.
As I said before, just use BP Ultimate if you must.
You kind of omitted the fact that you're an engineer, which would also explain why you have no qualms in stripping engines down, with the training/ experience, access or ownership to all the correct tools and no doubt a lovely workshop with every facility you could ever possibly need at your instant disposal.
Not everyone has that luxury unfortunately.
By the way, I'm not knocking it, I'm quite jealous actually. :\
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Totally agree with darrsi If someone wants to put additives in their fuel why shouldn't they ? Surely it's their bike their money and their choice and all darrsi was doing was putting it out there that he does and it's half price at the mo and it works for him, I'm not mechanically confident enough to dismantle carbs and I'd think about it to help my fuel system If it saved a few hundred a quid for a mechanic to do the work Like mtread said let's go back to arguing about politics , it's sooooo much more fun :D
Yes it's up to you to waste your money if you want, I'm not stopping you. But new riders read this forum and as an engineer who has worked on hundreds of marine engines (replacing some injectors this morning in fact) I feel that i probably have a reasonably valuable opinion on what you put in engines - and what you don't put in engines.
As I said before, just use BP Ultimate if you must.
You kind of omitted the fact that you're an engineer, which would also explain why you have no qualms in stripping engines down, with the training/ experience, access or ownership to all the correct tools and no doubt a lovely workshop with every facility you could ever possibly need at your instant disposal.
Not everyone has that luxury unfortunately.
By the way, I'm not knocking it, I'm quite jealous actually. :\
The engine has been underwater for a fortnight and is stinking out the workshop. You wouldn't have envied me yesterday slopping out the mud and rotting weed from the engine bay, lol.
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Not trying to stir the pot but what exactly is in BP ultimate that cleans the engine? What is the Active technology that is meant to do this? Is it just not their version of " snake oil "?
Opinion seems to be divided as to whether it does anything at all with some people claiming more mpg and better running and others saying that they have not noticed any difference except costing more to fill up!
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I bet the dreaded ethanol has caused quite a few problems in the fuel system of many a bike, especially one stored incorrectly over winter or not used that much so that degradation can occur in fuel lines.
Just a thought.
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
No,no,no, its a disease that people who are lucky enough to have a sex life catch.
So - let me get this straight - this stuff WON'T do diddlysquat for my fuel system, but it WILL get me laid? For £7.50? I'll take two... :lol
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
Are they pro Brexit ??
For FOC sake don't get VNA involved and started as well
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
No,no,no, its a disease that people who are lucky enough to have a sex life catch.
So - let me get this straight - this stuff WON'T do diddlysquat for my fuel system, but it WILL get me laid? For £7.50? I'll take two... :lol
Iv'e been told you shove the whole lot in in one go. I'm gunna get me £30 worth, with the frequency of my sex life that should last till my toes go permanently vertical. :lol
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Darrsi, *wispers* shhhhhh don't tell anyone...... I've put it in my engine before....... I might even buy some at the reduced price....... cheers for letting me know. :thumbup
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Darrsi, *wispers* shhhhhh don't tell anyone...... I've put it in my engine before....... I might even buy some at the reduced price....... cheers for letting me know. :thumbup
Best to look online first and see what shops have any in stock.
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I thought STP was a political party. :lol
Are they pro Brexit ??
For FOC sake don't get VNA involved and started as well
:lol
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Does anybody know where I could buy some Snake Oil and is it expensive
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Try here http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/snake.html (http://www.bonkersinstitute.org/medshow/snake.html)
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never mind snake oil, what about snake milk?
have you ever milked a snake :eek
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I've met many a snake milker in my life, They tend to ride or drive BMWs 🤔😉
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Got me a clogged pilot jet at the moment. I'm gonna get a bottle and give it a go,what's 7. 50 in the grand scheme of things. I'll report back when I have some findings
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Hope it sorts it out Toady
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPoIHzAvYJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPoIHzAvYJc)
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I've got the album....its VG
still think Copperhead Rd is the best track.................."I learnt a thing or two from Charlie don't ya know"
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Got me a clogged pilot jet at the moment. I'm gonna get a bottle and give it a go,what's 7. 50 in the grand scheme of things. I'll report back when I have some findings
And it worked a treat,I'll definitely purchase and use it again if the need arises
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Got me a clogged pilot jet at the moment. I'm gonna get a bottle and give it a go,what's 7. 50 in the grand scheme of things. I'll report back when I have some findings
And it worked a treat,I'll definitely purchase and use it again if the need arises
Good to hear :thumbup
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I use Redex when getting the bike back on the road after winter. The bike has usually been sat out in the elements for 3 months, with the carbs full of old fuel, which I'm sure must evaporate, plus whatever condensation there is about, at least there is loads of water sat around the top of the engine. It always runs lumpy.
Redex seems to make it run crisper.. well on all 4 cylinders at least, it also seems to burn the engine hotter. When you talk about before and after photo's, if you've ever taken your head off after using a fuel additive you'll see the piston, spark plugs and valve heads all have a dry red tarnish on them. All bare metal with no black deposits, I would assume the valve seats look the same also.
Fuel additives definitely do something!
I remember a few years ago having an old car MOT'd. The garaged failed, then passed the car on emissions. When I asked him how he got it to pass he said he had just put a bottle of fuel additive through it.
Anyway, each to their own. Some people on here need to calm down a bit.... you'll be back later asking for some help, advice, with a problem or wanting to borrow a tool. Then your tone will change!...
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Got me a clogged pilot jet at the moment. I'm gonna get a bottle and give it a go,what's 7. 50 in the grand scheme of things. I'll report back when I have some findings
And it worked a treat,I'll definitely purchase and use it again if the need arises
Good to hear :thumbup
Not our imagination about this working then Darrsi - appears we are right :lol