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Title: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 November 2014, 11:08:16 am
The itch is getting very strong now!

So, a lot of bikes out there to choose from; classic Jap, other models of Fazer, new models etc etc. But the one I keep on coming back to is the Street Triple. The Fazer is still the newest thing I have ever ridden, and I'm desperate to try something with more modern handling etc, and the Striple consistently gets great reviews so I think it would be a good start point.

The only problem will be if there's not enough leg room, being 6' 2''. So I've decided that as soon as my leg is better, I'm going to go test ride one. It won't be for long distances, just Sunday fun rides more locally, as I'm not parting with the  :faz, so doesn't have to have touring levels of comfort, so I'm hopeful I'll be ok with the Triumph. I have considered it's big brother, the Speed Triple, but it seems to me the experience is just not the same, although if the Street doesn't work out, I may try one.

I don't think I'd be happy with another classic Jap right now, as it's the modern handling and performance I'm more interested in right now. I wouldn't mind a 600 Fazer as a winter hack, something I'm not worried about getting a bit dirty on days like today when the weather is good but the roads damp/wet and filthy, but this burning desire to try something newer is going to have to be sated sooner or later, so I figure why not sooner  :D

No way I'm going to look at brand new - don't want to suffer the depreciation hit that goes with that. My max budget I reckon is £5k, and will pay for whatever I get outright. And of course, another reason to get something now is to take advantage of winter prices, although it'll probably mean paying for storage for a few months next year. Sod it though, life's for living!

The only other question is, will I get something new (to me) before Noggy does?  :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Dead Eye on 30 November 2014, 11:10:33 am

The only other question is, will I get something new (to me) before Noggy does?  :lol

You two are about as bad as one another ;)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: darrsi on 30 November 2014, 11:17:32 am
I really like the Tuono, apart from the fugly headlight (albeit probably astounding in comparison) but it does look to have a short wheelbase, unless i'm just used to seeing my bike with a top box hanging off the end.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 November 2014, 11:25:06 am
Yeah, the Tuono is another I'd really like to try, but not sure I'd want to live with one (electrics?  :eek ). I figure the Striple will be a better bet on the reliability front, running costs etc, and fancy something light and flickable. Don't need another bike with litre stomp really either.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: mr self destruct on 30 November 2014, 11:26:35 am
I'm 6'1" with a 34" leg and find the Street Triple too cramped for me, otherwise I'd be riding one today. They're great bikes.
According to cycle-ergo the Speed Triple has slightly more room than the Fazer so it could well be worth trying that instead.
My Fazer's too cramped for me to use for more than 45 minutes at a time, and no matter what else I try I keep going back to a used MT-09. It's the only thing with decent speed that fits me for under £7k.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 30 November 2014, 11:29:05 am





I agree with Tuono.......i sat on one and just thought yeh this feels good straight away.


Likewise though i had a simmilar feeling with the street triple.......i really like them.....never tried one but ive heard the induction noise and it is very tasty sounding........plus they just look like a bike....i mean like a proper bike should almost......and made by the British for British proportioned people with British roads being tested on and planned for.


There was a nice looking one in bridgend the other day when i was looking at the MT's.......it looked far cooler than either MT. 8)


Again it is a bike ill consider........if it wasnt for the fact that ive just sorned the thou plus itll soon be due an MOT then id be trading it in pronto.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: darrsi on 30 November 2014, 11:32:02 am
Yeah, the Tuono is another I'd really like to try, but not sure I'd want to live with one (electrics?  :eek ). I figure the Striple will be a better bet on the reliability front, running costs etc, and fancy something light and flickable. Don't need another bike with litre stomp really either.


Maybe the Yamaha Bogey  :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 November 2014, 12:04:20 pm
Yeah, the Tuono is another I'd really like to try, but not sure I'd want to live with one (electrics?  :eek ). I figure the Striple will be a better bet on the reliability front, running costs etc, and fancy something light and flickable. Don't need another bike with litre stomp really either.


Maybe the Yamaha Bogey  :lol

Don't give up yer day job just yet, eh?  :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 November 2014, 12:10:03 pm
I'm 6'1" with a 34" leg and find the Street Triple too cramped for me, otherwise I'd be riding one today. They're great bikes.
According to cycle-ergo the Speed Triple has slightly more room than the Fazer so it could well be worth trying that instead.
My Fazer's too cramped for me to use for more than 45 minutes at a time, and no matter what else I try I keep going back to a used MT-09. It's the only thing with decent speed that fits me for under £7k.

The Fazer I can ride all day without problems. The MT09 is outside of my budget, and besides, the jury is still out as to how good they are as far as I'm concerned. The Striple is a well proven bike, I prefer the looks, and as Noggy says, would be nice to do my bit to support the Brit bike industry, although that's never been a major consideration for me before, and isn't really now. I know our biking press is likely biased when it comes to the Triumph, but owners and ex-owners all also praise it to the skies. And as I said, I don't think the Speed Triple will be the same experience, although it is currently on the radar, and if I don't get on with the Street, I may well test ride one as well.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: darrsi on 30 November 2014, 12:11:50 pm
Yeah, the Tuono is another I'd really like to try, but not sure I'd want to live with one (electrics?  :eek ). I figure the Striple will be a better bet on the reliability front, running costs etc, and fancy something light and flickable. Don't need another bike with litre stomp really either.


Maybe the Yamaha Bogey  :lol

Don't give up yer day job just yet, eh?  :lol


"Light and flickable".........made me chuckle.  :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: slimwilly on 30 November 2014, 06:34:39 pm
Saw lots of them new Yamaha's today at the show, but how small is the MT-07, it looks much smaller than the MT-09
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: fazersharp on 30 November 2014, 07:05:50 pm
I may well of brought a street tipple this year I was booked in for a test ride but the dealer wanted £500 bond which they didn't tell me about (since found out its standard practice for some) AND on top of the advertised price was an extra £50 admin fee -- how can they do this - false price advertising and was being very vague and talking in riddles and basically would not tell me how much they would give for my bike until I agreed to buy the street.
So told them I wasn't doing the test ride and was not happy about the hidden £50 and I FOC ed off for a ride on my FZS realizing I am happy with what I have.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 November 2014, 08:39:37 pm
I don't actually need any other bike than the Fazer, it's true, so that will be staying. So this is just about having a bit of fun, trying something newer and different, just to see how far bikes have coming in the last ten years or so. I was going to put it off til after my move next year, but I saw a Striple for sale locally, and was very tempted. Then thought, wait, you could probably get one a bit cheaper than that.
There are other bikes I would like to try too, so the idea is to ride the Triumph for a while, then perhaps trade it for something else. (I finally discarded the idea of PCP as I'm now in a position to buy outright). But I am hoping the Triumph is ok for me fit-wise, because I'm more interested in a middleweight right now than the other bikes I'd like to try; there don't seem to be many impressive middleweights about still. If I test ride one soon and it doesn't work, the whole idea will probably go on hold again until I've moved next spring. And I still want to get a late black frame/engine Fazer to tart up too.

I love the Fazer, but for me, it's not all there is to biking. I remember when I used to chop and change my bikes all the time, and it really added a lot to the biking experience. And for someone who has been riding for as long as I have, nearly ten years is a long time to go without trying something else. I'm interested in bikes, as well as enjoy riding them, if that makes sense. We had the 90s which seemed to be all about sports bikes which I couldn't ride because of my shoulder, but now manufacturers have woken up to the fact that not everyone wants a race replica, but that doesn't mean that they don't want good handling and performance - just not with the torturous riding position. So there are some interesting machines out there again now. I'd like to try a few before all these old broken joints seize up completely  :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: stevierst on 30 November 2014, 09:02:38 pm
I was in a similar situation to you a few months ago Nick. I had a short list of bikes I could 'fit on' (6'1" with 36" inseam).
I've ridden both the gen I, and gen II Tuono, and they're very quick bikes. Fairly comfy, and sit upright, but it's a sportsbike! The gen I has a bit more mid range, and the gen II is more linear, but better top end. It is however the only bike I've had a tankslapper on, and I sh@ myself!

I rode a speed triple 1050 and was disappointed. It was comfy, but didn't have any sparkle, and handled oddly. It was a bit like the power delivery of a vfr 750. Torquey, but bland.

Sat on a street triple , and even the salesman shook his head and said it looked like a 250 underneath me. And it was cramped.

Mt-09, well I love them. A massively different power delivery and handling experience. I'll leave that alone now or I'll cry as I can't justify buying one

As you probably know Nick Whatever you chose, make it a bit different from your Fazer, then you'll appreciate why you've stuck with it for so long.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 30 November 2014, 09:05:01 pm
Yeah, I just don't think I need another bike with as much on tap as the Fazer has. What I'm more interested in is modern handling and lighter weight. The MT09; well, I dunno. I'm not going to buy new, that's for sure. Hey, maybe even a KTM 690? Just want something for fun in twisty local roads. The Fazer takes care of everything else. Every time I ride the Fazer, I know it's a keeper.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: stevierst on 30 November 2014, 09:14:12 pm
I wanted to go down the KTM 990 route, they just seem expensive for what your getting.
The single cylinder s/m are awesome fun on the twisties, you don't even need an expensive one. My bro-in-law had an MZ baghera for a while. It was rapid in the twisties. and I struggled to keep up on my R1 at times with 3x the power!!!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: slimwilly on 01 December 2014, 06:56:58 am
Keep your money in the bank you fool !!!!! :lol




It will make sense in a while,,no need for another bike yet,,the one you got is fine.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 December 2014, 10:45:18 am
Keep your money in the bank you fool !!!!! :lol




It will make sense in a while,,no need for another bike yet,,the one you got is fine.

Noooo!! Got money, have to spend it all as fast as possible  :b   :lol



Gotta treat yourself once in a while Bill. This won't break the bank  :D
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: fazersharp on 01 December 2014, 11:08:04 am
Whats that quote---
I won 1 million and spent the lot, mostly on fast bikes and women ------ the rest I wasted
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: JoeRock on 01 December 2014, 11:47:18 am
Nick, if you want modern handling and light weight, for your budget you could quite easily get a decent sports bike and put flat bars/dropped pegs on it?


Although if you really weren't that bothered about power (i'm more of the frame of mind of I'd rather have it and not use it all than not have it - but that's personal) then I'd definitely recommend the Street Triple R. Street Triple is brilliant anyway, but the brakes and suspension on the R are that bit better!


Either that or maybe a Tuono (but that's liter power), or possibly some kind of supermoto?
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: fazersharp on 01 December 2014, 12:10:00 pm
I cant remember exactly which models I think up until 2012 or 13 but the street dose not have a fuel gauge --- only a low fuel warning -- crap!!!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 December 2014, 12:29:35 pm
I had thought about the modded sports bike option Joe, and it's on the list of things I'd like to try (but we all have those big wish lists, don't we  :lol ), but the Striple has, for me, become an iconic bike, a true stand-out model, that I'd really like to try. I think probably I won't be able to get on with it's tiny size and leg position, but of course I won't know until I try one. I will get a test ride first to check this. If that proves ok, then I think I'll probably go for one. Have it for a year or two, then trade for something else that appeals. This is something I've been thinking about for some time now, having a second bike that I can swap and change whilst keeping the Fazer as my main ride.

I've heard a lot about the comparison between brakes and suspension on the standard Striple as compared to the R. Whilst I'd prefer the later models (squint-eye as opposed to round), the R in that case will probably be outside of my budget, so I'm inclining towards a round-eye R at the moment. Although, having said that, I've found this one, which is nice and local to me:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/triumph/street-triple-r/7630957/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/triumph/street-triple-r/7630957/)

A bit over my budget really, but might be able to talk the price down a little, or might decide it's worth paying a little more for a good one.

I really don't think there is another bike to compare to the Striple, apart from the MT09, and I'm not interested in buying brand new, and besides, it's too early to say if it's really that good I think. Yes, test ride reports seem promising, but a brief blat isn't enough to say if it's really going to make an impact. Plus, they seem to have put budget suspension on it, which doesn't help. Maybe in a few years time if they update things like this, and there are a few 2nd hand ones around, I might look at one, but not now. Z800? Still too new, again, jury's out. It'll have a lot to do to beat the Striple, which has a firmly established reputation and consistently rates good reviews by both the biking press, and more importantly, by owners.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 01 December 2014, 01:29:27 pm
Excellent....it is settled.......Nick will get a street triple r.....use it for 6 months.....& then sell it to me :)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 December 2014, 01:52:11 pm
Don't hold your breath Noggy. No guarantees that I can make myself fit one yet! I'll be gutted if I can't, cos once in a while a bike comes along that everybody should try, and I think the Striple is one of them.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: bigralphie on 01 December 2014, 02:10:44 pm
A single cyl supermoto is something everyone should try once ..... mad as a box of frogs and defo a 2nd bike  :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: dazza on 01 December 2014, 02:18:39 pm
A single cyl supermoto is something everyone should try once ..... mad as a box of frogs and defo a 2nd bike  :lol

This is exactly my thought too. I can't see the point of having two bikes that do such similar things.
If I ever go for a second bike it will be a bonkers supermoto with an extra set of off road wheels and tyres so I can practice falling off. :D
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Fazafou on 01 December 2014, 02:20:47 pm
If you go down the striple route, test ride the one you're going to buy and ride it across the rev range (not in short bursts).

Many have a high frequency buzz at 4-6k that becomes annoying. I had a Tiger 800 (same engine with longer stroke, ooer), and got rid of it even though it was great to ride as the vibes eventually killed my love of the bike. Seems many of the modern trumpets do it.

I'd personally go the other way and get a lower powered bike if you want fun.

Fun is being on the limits of a bikes abilities, which on modern bikes realistically takes a very good rider and usually ends up being plain dangerous on the road to get those sorts of speeds.

The single is a great idea. Lots of fun without the need to be going light speed.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 01 December 2014, 04:08:38 pm
I love these threads fair play.......forever a pontificator i sure am.


Anyways......i have some questions because folk are now so saying how fun that a single supermoto can be......but it seems to me that there is still a bit of snobbery involved too.


Firstly i really like the MT07 but folk say no it will be too underpowered.....but here we are talking about si gles with simillar HP or less that can still be fun......so why shouldnt the MT07?


Secondly....Stevie mentions the MZ Baghera which his mate was rapid on in the twisties......this is the type of bike I'm after........actually i've always liked the MZ Mastiff as they just look so evil...............they use the yamaha XT660 motor.......read reviews on them and its all fun fun fun............but read about the actual yamaha XT660SM and things are apparently not so fun.....exactly the same motor and a simillar style bike so is this just bike snobbery coming through and giving the yamaha a bad image?.............we then look at the MT03......again the same 660 single....apparently handles amazingly yet again it doesnt have that cool image and folk are all oh no not enough power......yet they dont say that about other bikes using the same engine...........& that brings me back to the MT07 because i think all of those single cylinder SM's are probably spot on for the twisties but then folk are getting frustrated about their top speed......well the little MT is just that much quicker top end whilst still being lightweight but not having too much power that you cant use......it just isnt quite ain a supermoto format so i think that is its dwnfall on the cool wall..........but stick its engine in a new supermoto platform and i think it would be a firm winner.


Some iccies included since we love piccies. 8)




 :useless
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 December 2014, 04:21:42 pm
Noggy, we love these threads cos we get to talk about what we love - bikes. Better than all the poxy political threads that have been appearing lately  :smash

I dunno mate. It's like the SV650. A cracking little bike really. Put some better suspension on, and a nice can (they sound lovely with a good can) and you'd have a half decent bike. But they run out of puff very quickly up the top end. Now that may not be a problem if you've got more than one bike, and you say you only want something for shorter fun blasts. But think what mileage you're actually covering on your rides. Aberystwyth, North Wales - not really short blats are they? And yes, Wales has a lot of nice B roads, mountain roads etc. But it's also got a wealth of brilliant, fast A roads, and I just think that middleweight twins and singles will be a bit lacking when you hit those kinds of road. But it's all personal opinion and preference at the end of the day. I've said it loads of times; bikes are affairs of the heart, and you gotta go with that. Just remember that you're considering something as an only bike. My search is for a second bike, so the Fazer will always be there.

Had a sit on a Striple today. Well, even though my knee is still a bit stiff, I could get my feet on the pegs easy enough. It's a bit more cramped than the Fazer, but didn't seem that bad. Next thing is to get a test ride.

I may well try a single SM at some point, but not ready for that yet. There are several bikes that come before any singles. These include KTM 990 SD, Aprilia Tuono, and possibly Ducati Hypermotard. All twins. The only twin I've ridden (Wet Dreams don't count) was an SV650, which quickly became boring as definitely lacking in the grunt department.

What I have realised, since pondering what more modern bikes than the Fazer I want to try, is that actually, the choice isn't that huge. Some of the ones I would like to try haven't been around long enough for there to be some nicely priced 2nd hand examples about. I don't know if it's just that the bikes aren't popping into my mind right now, maybe I'm missing some?

Foc me, that Akra can on the XT looks foccin huge!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: alan sherman on 01 December 2014, 04:24:26 pm
Firestorm?  If the headfairing was prettier it'd be a cracking bike.  Not sure about size.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: bigralphie on 01 December 2014, 04:57:23 pm
(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q531/bigralphie67/Facebook/bikes/29509_388616037922_2457472_n.jpg) (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/bigralphie67/media/Facebook/bikes/29509_388616037922_2457472_n.jpg.html)


(http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q531/bigralphie67/Facebook/bikes/210701_10150143900882923_5015729_o.jpg) (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/bigralphie67/media/Facebook/bikes/210701_10150143900882923_5015729_o.jpg.html)


Couple of my old 2nd bikes ... a twin and a single (only have one at the moment though)


the fun of a single is it turns your riding upside down :-)


Normally only 5 gears and limited revs so you have dance up and down the box ,no lazy holding gears .
Use the rear brake more than the front .
Cornering is much much deeper and just a dab of brake to maintain momentum then put it on its ear
Kerb's , speed bumps .traffic island are all fair game with the long travel suspension
And nothing barks like a single with a fruity can.


They of course have downsides ,you have to keep up on of your checks ,oil loose bolts etc much more and they are frustrating to ride with groups of roads bikers as you will cane it  but as a weekend toy loads of giggles


Yes I want another lol
 




Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 01 December 2014, 06:53:24 pm

That Dorsoduro is nice Ralphie,

what about these electrical gremlins though......did you have any issues?
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 01 December 2014, 07:20:22 pm
Noggy, we love these threads cos we get to talk about what we love - bikes. Better than all the poxy political threads that have been appearing lately  :smash

I dunno mate. It's like the SV650. A cracking little bike really. Put some better suspension on, and a nice can (they sound lovely with a good can) and you'd have a half decent bike. But they run out of puff very quickly up the top end. Now that may not be a problem if you've got more than one bike, and you say you only want something for shorter fun blasts. But think what mileage you're actually covering on your rides. Aberystwyth, North Wales - not really short blats are they? And yes, Wales has a lot of nice B roads, mountain roads etc. But it's also got a wealth of brilliant, fast A roads, and I just think that middleweight twins and singles will be a bit lacking when you hit those kinds of road. But it's all personal opinion and preference at the end of the day. I've said it loads of times; bikes are affairs of the heart, and you gotta go with that. Just remember that you're considering something as an only bike. My search is for a second bike, so the Fazer will always be there.

Had a sit on a Striple today. Well, even though my knee is still a bit stiff, I could get my feet on the pegs easy enough. It's a bit more cramped than the Fazer, but didn't seem that bad. Next thing is to get a test ride.

I may well try a single SM at some point, but not ready for that yet. There are several bikes that come before any singles. These include KTM 990 SD, Aprilia Tuono, and possibly Ducati Hypermotard. All twins. The only twin I've ridden (Wet Dreams don't count) was an SV650, which quickly became boring as definitely lacking in the grunt department.

What I have realised, since pondering what more modern bikes than the Fazer I want to try, is that actually, the choice isn't that huge. Some of the ones I would like to try haven't been around long enough for there to be some nicely priced 2nd hand examples about. I don't know if it's just that the bikes aren't popping into my mind right now, maybe I'm missing some?

Foc me, that Akra can on the XT looks foccin huge!

I've gotta say that even my little 600 had too much top end speed...if only some of it had been tapped into more mid range...... I cruise at 80mph and I want something that can overtake so it is important to have a bit of grunt from 50-80mph.

max required speed for me is 100......im going over it far too often.........but for me to simply get a bike that does a max of 100 would probably mean that it was out of puff really at 80.....only achieving its max of 100 under duress........that's no good getting out of puff at the optimum cruise speed for me........so I want the bike to be getting out of puff at 100....which to me I think means a bike with a max speed beyond that.....so lets say a max of 120...............................real science this by the way...noggy science :rolleyes.......but hear me out..........it will get to 100 quick enough yet will be then losing puff and this is good because it prevents the extreme speeds whilst still being fast enough........it will do overtakes at normal speeds and easily cruise at 80..........it will be lightweight and flickable.

So im just convincing myself more here that the MT07 is that bike......flogging a dead horse perhaps....but I really think it will do it and so far the reviews put it in a much better regard than the SV650 with regards to character....as if it shouldn't as good as the sum of its parts.....just like the original FZS600. :)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: dazza on 01 December 2014, 07:40:56 pm
Noggy, you need a TDR 250, 1980's two stroke nut nut bike that is light and flickable, will do 120 mph and will match anything away from the lights, through the traffic and round the twisties......And as a bonus, will never lose any value, only go up.
 
Hang on a minute....Have you  :hijack   'ed Nicks thread.  :lol
 
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 01 December 2014, 07:57:42 pm
Noggy, you need a TDR 250, 1980's two stroke nut nut bike that is light and flickable, will do 120 mph and will match anything away from the lights, through the traffic and round the twisties......And as a bonus, will never lose any value, only go up.
 
Hang on a minute....Have you  :hijack   'ed Nicks thread.  :lol

I hijack everybodys threads.....it is what I do......and then I kill them :evil :evil :evil :evil :evil

TDR 250 eh....hmmmmm....I know not of these.....time for google.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: JZS 600 on 01 December 2014, 08:01:28 pm
I've got a second bike, VFR 1200 FD


Lots of fun
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: esetest on 01 December 2014, 08:07:56 pm
I was very tempted by this  in Fowlers last week , as a second bike and a completely different riding experience than the Fazer.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Yamazer-92 on 01 December 2014, 08:27:33 pm
Haha I've been banging on about supermoto's for 2 years and always got the feeling everyone was going "Oh not this lanky prick again"! Glad to see the tides have turned! I really like my Fzs but it just doesn't fit me that good and the riding I do / my riding style will fit more perfectly into the supermoto bracket along with my pipe cleaner legs. Definitely food for thought for next summer, unfortunately unless I get a better job it's one or the other so I'm jealous of people like Nick who have the luxury of being able to have 2! I never go above 70 cruising on the motorway because I hate the wind blast and all 600-odd cc SM's will do that until your ass screams no more so going to Wales which is the furthest I go wont be an issue. Mt-07 sound great with after market cans, can't read enough about how good they are but styling and physical size wise they don't do it for me. I have never been interested in triumphs but once again another highly rated bike. Too many bikes to try and not enough time / money!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Yamazer-92 on 01 December 2014, 08:33:35 pm
Oh yeah Noggy the XT660 being crap is nothing about snobbery when compared to the MZ, apparently the fuelling is diabolical to the point of verging on dangerous whatever you do below 30mph unless you make some modifications. Yamaha did not accept any responsibility and denied any issue allegedly. The MZ is carbed so has no fuelling issues as long as it's set up correctly which it is from the factory, the engine itself is excellent and highly reliable. I personally don't like the styling of the MT 03 and it's quite expensive for what it is but apparently there are no fuelling issues on that.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: noggythenog on 01 December 2014, 09:16:58 pm

very nice dazza those TDR thingies......what a review they get.....alas a bit too old for me I think.......if I had to have an older bike then it would be a TRX but I quite fancy something fairly modern with fuel injection.

street triples must meet the criteria surely.......after all they are kind of what Yamaha are trying to emulate with their MT range I think.....again though it is price......little MT07 is so cheap....even if you got one and whapped a tidy Nitron shock on it and a few extras it would still be a cheap bike.

Admittedly as you say yamazer they don't look the prettiest do they....but I wouldn't call a street triple pretty either....just bikey.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: bigralphie on 01 December 2014, 09:30:35 pm
I had a gear sensor hiccup on the Dorsoduro but it was sorted under warranty
I chopped it in for a V2 Tuono factory now that major electrical meltdown, fryed its stator in the channel tunnel car park  :'(


Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 December 2014, 10:21:36 pm

 
Hang on a minute....Have you  :hijack   'ed Nicks thread.  :lol

Foc it. If it gets folks talking about bikes instead of bloody politics, go for it! Thread title altered  :)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 01 December 2014, 10:23:59 pm
Ah, two strokes! All getting so bloody expensive though  :(  Wish I'd bought that 350LC that was at the Stafford show!  :'(

Foccin ell dazza, that 500LC one looks barking!  :eek
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: dazza on 01 December 2014, 10:57:06 pm
You're not wrong there Nick,  would sell what's left of my soul to own that.
There was talk a few years ago of Yamaha re' introducing the rd350 and a 350 updated version of the tdr, second picture down.
If only they would, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Rikki on 01 December 2014, 11:58:19 pm
You might be able to get one of these next year:
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: slimwilly on 02 December 2014, 06:36:03 am
Nick, i heard you need one with stabillisers :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: positron on 02 December 2014, 09:22:16 am
Nick, if you really like MT09, have you considered selling the FZ1 (I know... hear me out) and buying a brand new MT09 Tracer thing that's coming out in 2015? It's an Yamaha, it's an MT09, and it has about as much fairing as a Fazer, and it sure looks comfortable!

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Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 02 December 2014, 09:57:23 am
Nick, i heard you need one with stabillisers :lol :lol :lol

Mate, I need stabilisers just for walking  :rolleyes

have you considered selling the  Fazer

What? WHAT??!! Have you taken leave of your senses?! Go and wash your mouth out with soap!  :lol

Seriously, I love the   :faz  too much. This isn't about finding a replacement for it, it just does everything too well. This, for me, is just about a passion for bikes, and wanting to try some different stuff. I am in the enviable position of being able, if I really wanted, to go and buy a Kawasaki H2R, or a KTM1290 SDR, and still carry through with the plans for my move next year. But I do still have a more practical side ( :z   :lol ), and £5k seems a reasonable spend to start with. Can get a choice of some pretty good stuff at that price. I will never buy new again. It's an experience that everyone should have at least once in their life perhaps, but been there, done that, not going to take the depreciation hit anymore. And as I said, for me, the MT09 is yet to prove itself. I've read of a number of people who have bought them and then immediately gone and splashed out £100s of pounds to upgrade the suspension for one thing. Why should anyone need to do that if they've just laid out for a brand new bike? Seems daft to me. Ok, you might do it on a 2nd hander, but if I ever did buy new again, it had better be right from the start.

Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Deefer666 on 02 December 2014, 10:04:07 am
I'd have this as my second bike....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10269490_10152439222251725_5091593421410709142_n.jpg?oh=822954361ffa319095049171346aab19&oe=551F5C93&__gda__=1427056582_e9381139866abc42193761ce1c22159a)

Oh yeah, that is my second bike!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: positron on 02 December 2014, 10:07:11 am
Soap? I have heard of that alright, rich vain folks and their fancy shtuff. Waste of water I say.

Alright, I take that all back.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: fazersharp on 02 December 2014, 11:24:05 am
Nick, if you really like MT09, have you considered selling the FZ1 (I know... hear me out) and buying a brand new MT09 Tracer thing that's coming out in 2015? It's an Yamaha, it's an MT09, and it has about as much fairing as a Fazer, and it sure looks comfortable!

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That looks much better with some fairing and comes with hand guards that I have been trying to fit, but why do they insist on using gold folks they don't go
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: JoeRock on 02 December 2014, 12:28:36 pm
Nick, i heard you need one with stabillisers :lol :lol :lol

Mate, I need stabilisers just for walking  :rolleyes

have you considered selling the  Fazer

What? WHAT??!! Have you taken leave of your senses?! Go and wash your mouth out with soap!  :lol

Seriously, I love the   :faz  too much. This isn't about finding a replacement for it, it just does everything too well. This, for me, is just about a passion for bikes, and wanting to try some different stuff. I am in the enviable position of being able, if I really wanted, to go and buy a Kawasaki H2R, or a KTM1290 SDR, and still carry through with the plans for my move next year. But I do still have a more practical side ( :z   :lol ), and £5k seems a reasonable spend to start with. Can get a choice of some pretty good stuff at that price. I will never buy new again. It's an experience that everyone should have at least once in their life perhaps, but been there, done that, not going to take the depreciation hit anymore. And as I said, for me, the MT09 is yet to prove itself. I've read of a number of people who have bought them and then immediately gone and splashed out £100s of pounds to upgrade the suspension for one thing. Why should anyone need to do that if they've just laid out for a brand new bike? Seems daft to me. Ok, you might do it on a 2nd hander, but if I ever did buy new again, it had better be right from the start.


And people haven't done that exact same thing with the rather poor suspension on the FZS 1000? :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 02 December 2014, 04:22:37 pm
Yeah, but I bought that for much less money 2nd hand, and with 17k on the clock when I got it, the rear standard shock didn't have much left in it. But I'd have thought twice about buying a new one and needing to replace the shock straight away. And the standard front suspension doesn't seem too bad. Plus, being a model I really love, I don't mind spending a bit on it - didn't do anything much to my last three, but decided this is the one that gets the treatment  :D

It's paying all that money for a brand new bike, and needing to sort the suspenders immediately, that I balk at. They probably put cheap stuff on for the reasons they always do - introducing a new model, get it in the showrooms at an affordable price, hope people are so knocked out by a great new motor that they're prepared to forgive the crap handling, and maybe it'll get a good reputation anyway. Trouble with that view is, it can shoot them in the foot, as if everybody pans the handling from the get-go, they'll lose sales anyway.

Although having said that, the gen 1 thou hit the showrooms at a stupid high price, proving there's always an exception to the rule  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: dazza on 02 December 2014, 05:34:51 pm
Thinking about this idea of what would you have as a second bike,  my imagination starts to go a bit wild.
First thought was a sm but then a dedicated track bike springs to mind as it's so much fun and I wouldn't want to bin my every day ride.
Then there is a turbo 'd Busa so I could hit that 200 mph + Mark.
Then for those long touring trips an FJR 1300 or a big old Goldwing.
Then there is the 1980's two stroke classic route.
I suppose you've got to stop and think about what would get the most use or what you really want.
I'm afraid I can't make my mind up so would have to work my way through all the above and then probably some more.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: JZS 600 on 02 December 2014, 08:06:52 pm
Saw the Tracer at the NEC, V nice.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 02 December 2014, 08:10:32 pm
Thinking about this idea of what would you have as a second bike,  my imagination starts to go a bit wild.
First thought was a sm but then a dedicated track bike springs to mind as it's so much fun and I wouldn't want to bin my every day ride.
Then there is a turbo 'd Busa so I could hit that 200 mph + Mark.
Then for those long touring trips an FJR 1300 or a big old Goldwing.
Then there is the 1980's two stroke classic route.
I suppose you've got to stop and think about what would get the most use or what you really want.
I'm afraid I can't make my mind up so would have to work my way through all the above and then probably some more.


Hey Dazza.....simples.....jus buy my gen2....£2500 mate for a track toy that you can ride there and back......it's too foccin stiff for the road i know that much......then i can buy somethin sensible. :)


Strangely enough i seen one o those TDR 250 on ebay and the guy was willing to swap for a track bike.....but it said pre 1990 track bike. :(
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 09 December 2014, 08:42:55 pm


Hey Nick, some bike porn for ya.

for a mere £1800 Powerbronze now do this café racer kit for the Triple which is carbon fibre and completely bolt on everything. Just read about it in MCN.

LED front lamp, floating rear number plate holder, you swivel the bars down to look like clip ons.

not saying youd have and extra 2k kicking about just for cosmetics but it does give options to those who wouldn't have a street because they are common. 8)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: bri h on 10 December 2014, 12:17:19 pm
Im starting to feel my ripe old years now and have to admit my reactions are even slower than they used to be. I could never let the fazer go but i do fancy a guzzi grisso.It would be safer for everyone
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: ChristoT on 10 December 2014, 05:13:03 pm


Hey Nick, some bike porn for ya.

for a mere £1800 Powerbronze now do this café racer kit for the Triple which is carbon fibre and completely bolt on everything. Just read about it in MCN.

LED front lamp, floating rear number plate holder, you swivel the bars down to look like clip ons.

not saying youd have and extra 2k kicking about just for cosmetics but it does give options to those who wouldn't have a street because they are common. 8)

Looks cool, but not a fan of the headlight. A single bulb would look way cooler.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 10 December 2014, 07:43:23 pm



I've gotta say i'm  still looking at low powered twins.


I do like the sounds of the reviews of the MT07.....riding wise...........but on the whole it looks a little bit small......i think id look like a mutant on it........but perrformance wise i think it is all that i need.


Same goes for the ER6 which is supposed to be a good little bike.


A SM would be perfect for the A and B roads but there just isnt one from the right manufacturer at the right price that i would have.


Twins aside the Street triple looks perfect but again theres the overall size and price etc.....Everything points to it being a perfect UK road bike


Im actually looking at the Kawasaki 650 Verysys now because it has the simillar type twin engine yet it looks more like a grown ups bike that i would fit and will be ample in the 60-80mph area....it's tall for looking over cars and welsh hedges.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: red98 on 10 December 2014, 07:52:19 pm
 Mmmmmmmmmm......noggy on a "grown ups bike ".......... :pokefun
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 10 December 2014, 09:16:12 pm
Mmmmmmmmmm......noggy on a "grown ups bike ".......... :pokefun



 :lol


I didnt say id ride it like a grown up though.




Here's a little linky to a frenchman showing that they are fast enough even on the track........not bad for a poxy 650 twin eh.




http://youtu.be/-4yZ688aSfA (http://youtu.be/-4yZ688aSfA)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: red98 on 10 December 2014, 09:29:33 pm
 :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: JoeRock on 11 December 2014, 09:46:18 am



I've gotta say i'm  still looking at low powered twins.


I do like the sounds of the reviews of the MT07.....riding wise...........but on the whole it looks a little bit small......i think id look like a mutant on it........but perrformance wise i think it is all that i need.


Same goes for the ER6 which is supposed to be a good little bike.


A SM would be perfect for the A and B roads but there just isnt one from the right manufacturer at the right price that i would have.


Twins aside the Street triple looks perfect but again theres the overall size and price etc.....Everything points to it being a perfect UK road bike


Im actually looking at the Kawasaki 650 Verysys now because it has the simillar type twin engine yet it looks more like a grown ups bike that i would fit and will be ample in the 60-80mph area....it's tall for looking over cars and welsh hedges.


Noggy, easy question here - did you regularly use all the power of your FZS600, or relatively frequently wished it had more?
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 11 December 2014, 11:35:05 am





Morning Joe.........there is no such thing as an easy question when im involved mate, simple one word answer eh......nahhhh ;) .


To a point..........i maxed it out in the first 3 gears and 3rd particularly would be red lined but by 4th i'd say only usually 3/4 way through the revs because again the little 600 could all too easily top a tonne and so id be backing it down to the 85 mark......i would have happily sacrificed its top end to get a bit more oomph lower down.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: stevierst on 11 December 2014, 12:31:09 pm
You should have geared it down Noggy, massive fun then. Did it to my Fz1, and it was like a high powered 250!!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 11 December 2014, 12:47:22 pm
You should have geared it down Noggy, massive fun then. Did it to my Fz1, and it was like a high powered 250!!


It seems the way forward Stevie.


Im not particularly fussed about a small drop in mpg or what it feels lik on a motorway.


Not sure id do it with the thou because it is ample enough by virtue of pure capacity but ill consider it on any smaller future bike for sure.


Im reasonably sensible & ive got no points but i just get the feeling it's a matter of time on the thou and theres one thing getting a few points but i dread getting caught going supersonic....it aint worth the risk, losss of job etc etc.


Granted on a smaller bike i wont be overtaking 10 cars in a row but overtaking aside then im pretty sure fun can still be had at normal speeds.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: stevierst on 11 December 2014, 12:52:18 pm
I go out on my 600 and have just as much fun as I would on the R1, of not more fun! Even considering a power/capacity drop when the big bike is sold on.

 There's not really a massive need for a thou on UK roads, but it is daft grin factor when you open the taps and hang on for grim life
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: jonesthesteam on 11 December 2014, 01:25:17 pm
I've had a lot of the big singles, Xt600, dominator and a MZ Mastiff, they are GREAT bikes on the B roads and in the twisties but they do run out of puff quite quickly and are pretty uncomfortable in stock fom, the Mastiff had some sort of limiter fitted which meant a lot of short shifting, great fun but a bit tiresome, in between each bike I usually went back to a Fazer as I missed the doitallness of it, but the crap roads and high hedges in Devon always left me wanting a mix of high seat big single with long suspension travel and fazer 600 comfort and speed


So recently I have bought a Versys 650, MK1, 2007 with 9k miles on the clock for a tad under 2.5k


I have to say it is the doitall bike I've been looking for, great low down punch, easy high up riding position, immensely flickable in the twistees but well able to cruise at 80mph for as long you want. (Not as fast as a fazer when the revs are up but pretty nimble and quick in the mid range)


Not the best looking bike (but then the mastiff was no looker) but I may have finally found the bike that ticks most of the boxes I want! Can't wait til next spring to put it thru its paces on a trip to SW France


Jonesy

Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 December 2014, 02:17:40 pm

 There's not really a massive need for a thou on UK roads, but it is daft grin factor when you open the taps and hang on for grim life

This^^

For me, it's one of the main reasons for riding bikes; that massive shove when you wind the throttle open, kinda like engaging afterburner on a jet fighter (I imagine!). I fully understand the risk to my license, but it's firmly ingrained in me. What I need is a legal way to combine drag racing with road racing and touring/exploring, preferably using someone else's bank balance  :lol

The Street Triple idea seems to be going on hold with the coming of wintry weather  :\
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Paradox on 11 December 2014, 02:42:07 pm
Thought about a big muscle bike like an MT-01?
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: stevierst on 11 December 2014, 02:44:42 pm
That's why I built this.

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/11/5bb3e674b0d87149708af73c8edb3eb4.jpg)

I've been after a gen I for the last decade, but this is just that little bit better.
Fazer thou with 30kg less weight, better suspension, and bigger fairing. Just been out for a 20 mile short blast, and its almost perfect for my needs
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 December 2014, 02:57:43 pm


Hey Nick, some bike porn for ya.

for a mere £1800 Powerbronze now do this café racer kit for the Triple which is carbon fibre and completely bolt on everything. Just read about it in MCN.

LED front lamp, floating rear number plate holder, you swivel the bars down to look like clip ons.

not saying youd have and extra 2k kicking about just for cosmetics but it does give options to those who wouldn't have a street because they are common. 8)

Something not right there though. Take a modern styled bike, fit with a 70s/80s Ducati 900SS rip-off fairing with LED headlamp, add spoked wheels? Hmmmm, doesn't work for me.

To deliberately avoid a bike because it is common seems daft to me. It has to be popular for a reason, which seems to be it's a bloody good bike by all accounts. Fazers are pretty common as far as bikes go, but think what you'd have missed if you applied that logic. Hence wanting to try the Triumph.

Here's a little test. Make a list of the top ten bikes of the last ten years, notwithstanding your own personal requirements and practicalities, but just focussing on how well you think those bikes do what they are designed to do. I think quite a few would put the Street on that list if they were being perfectly honest about their choices. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see what people here come up with, if nothing else  :)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 11 December 2014, 03:07:33 pm
I've had a lot of the big singles, Xt600, dominator and a MZ Mastiff, they are GREAT bikes on the B roads and in the twisties but they do run out of puff quite quickly and are pretty uncomfortable in stock fom, the Mastiff had some sort of limiter fitted which meant a lot of short shifting, great fun but a bit tiresome, in between each bike I usually went back to a Fazer as I missed the doitallness of it, but the crap roads and high hedges in Devon always left me wanting a mix of high seat big single with long suspension travel and fazer 600 comfort and speed


So recently I have bought a Versys 650, MK1, 2007 with 9k miles on the clock for a tad under 2.5k


I have to say it is the doitall bike I've been looking for, great low down punch, easy high up riding position, immensely flickable in the twistees but well able to cruise at 80mph for as long you want. (Not as fast as a fazer when the revs are up but pretty nimble and quick in the mid range)


Not the best looking bike (but then the mastiff was no looker) but I may have finally found the bike that ticks most of the boxes I want! Can't wait til next spring to put it thru its paces on a trip to SW France


Jonesy


Cheers jonesthesteam, thought you still had the fazer.


But this matches what i am after so nice to hear someone else say it.


I see the 2015 has a more pretty front fairing but to be honest im an ugly foccer so the old version would match me well.......i seen one online with a Leo Vince exhaust can and man does it sound foccing sweeeeeeeet!.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 December 2014, 03:26:50 pm
I've had a lot of the big singles, Xt600, dominator and a MZ Mastiff, they are GREAT bikes on the B roads and in the twisties but they do run out of puff quite quickly and are pretty uncomfortable in stock fom, the Mastiff had some sort of limiter fitted which meant a lot of short shifting, great fun but a bit tiresome, in between each bike I usually went back to a Fazer as I missed the doitallness of it, but the crap roads and high hedges in Devon always left me wanting a mix of high seat big single with long suspension travel and fazer 600 comfort and speed


So recently I have bought a Versys 650, MK1, 2007 with 9k miles on the clock for a tad under 2.5k


I have to say it is the doitall bike I've been looking for, great low down punch, easy high up riding position, immensely flickable in the twistees but well able to cruise at 80mph for as long you want. (Not as fast as a fazer when the revs are up but pretty nimble and quick in the mid range)


Not the best looking bike (but then the mastiff was no looker) but I may have finally found the bike that ticks most of the boxes I want! Can't wait til next spring to put it thru its paces on a trip to SW France


Jonesy


Cheers jonesthesteam, thought you still had the fazer.


But this matches what i am after so nice to hear someone else say it.


I see the 2015 has a more pretty front fairing but to be honest im an ugly foccer so the old version would match me well.......i seen one online with a Leo Vince exhaust can and man does it sound foccing sweeeeeeeet!.

Yes, but what would you have as a second bike?!

By which I mean, foc off Noggy, haven't you got your own twenty gazillion threads in your search for Fazerlessness?  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: JoeRock on 11 December 2014, 04:31:49 pm
Damnit Nick, stop fannying around!


Second gen ZX10R, flat bars, lowering plates on the rearsets.


Job done!


 :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: taylor on 12 December 2014, 08:25:57 pm
I hear extreme creations have made a turbo for the mt09, 207 hp :lol
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: stevierst on 12 December 2014, 09:28:19 pm
I hear extreme creations have made a turbo for the mt09, 207 hp :lol
Erm, that'd be a bit bonkers

Where can I get one? ???
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: taylor on 13 December 2014, 02:44:04 pm
i seen it on you tube, to buy one speak to extreme,? they had it on a rolling road.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: stevierst on 13 December 2014, 06:58:53 pm
The turbo kit is only £3,560!! Not bad for a 90bhp increase!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: taylor on 13 December 2014, 08:31:06 pm
cheap as chips, you would get it back thrills, ;)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: hotmetal on 15 December 2014, 07:54:13 am
I've got a 2009 Street Triple R as my 'second bike'. I bought it because I fancied something lighter and easier to squeeze through London rush hour traffic on. It's become my 'first bike' because although it's not got the top end or the motorway mile munching comfort of the gen 1, or the practicality, it is so much more fun, and seems to have more leg room than the gen 1. It's a cracking bike that being so much fun to riding, and looks cool too (well, eye of the beholder etc but most agree they're pretty). Unless it turns out to be too small for your height, one test ride usually sells them.

Thing is, I ride the STR so much now I'm thinking I should just move the gen 1 on...
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 15 December 2014, 01:04:20 pm
Just brought myself a tdr 250, should be a blast when it arrives
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: dazza on 15 December 2014, 06:44:28 pm
Just brought myself a tdr 250, should be a blast when it arrives

Tex, make sure you start a separate thread when it arrives with plenty of pics and a comprehensive description of how it goes. Please.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 15 December 2014, 06:58:48 pm
Just brought myself a tdr 250, should be a blast when it arrives

Tex, make sure you start a separate thread when it arrives with plenty of pics and a comprehensive description of how it goes. Please.


+1


Never heard o these til Dazza said, be interesting to hear about. 8)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 16 December 2014, 11:59:02 pm
Just brought myself a tdr 250, should be a blast when it arrives

Tex, make sure you start a separate thread when it arrives with plenty of pics and a comprehensive description of how it goes. Please.

 Will do dazza having  it delivered  on 6 jan, will post some pics. There are a few on ebay, some are way over priced.






Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 08 January 2015, 06:10:49 pm
Got it Tuesday.  Runs really nice
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 08 January 2015, 06:14:52 pm
 :)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 08 January 2015, 06:16:29 pm
 :D
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: dazza on 08 January 2015, 06:21:16 pm
Love it, looks really clean.
 
Brings back memories of being embarrassed by one of these trying to catch it through traffic on a GPZ1000RX.
 
How much was it Tex ?
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 08 January 2015, 06:31:51 pm

Thanks dazza, £2600,  funny using a kick start again,  couldn't  find the choke at first, lol, it has the reserve switch  on the handlebars.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Frosties on 08 January 2015, 10:02:18 pm
Tex, that is a beauty. Jealous as feck fella.
 
I had an XL250S years back 'cos I wanted to be different and lose my mates in the twisties. Loved it to bits until a mate of mine got one of these - he left us all for dead. I tried to get one but just couldn't get the cash together. Best I got was a ride on my mates one which went like stink when it was on the pipe.
 
Have fun fella.
 
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hamos on 08 January 2015, 10:19:47 pm
Street triple is an ace bike. I'm 6"2 and comfortable enough.  Surprising grunt for around town and great fun using full throttle and letting it scream knowing that it does not mean prison speeds.  Handling is sublime and very light.  I would recommend them to anyone.  I've just swapped mine or a twin for bit more grunt, but not because the street was lacking, just time for a change.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: tex on 09 January 2015, 11:51:45 am
Tex, that is a beauty. Jealous as feck fella.
 
I had an XL250S years back 'cos I wanted to be different and lose my mates in the twisties. Loved it to bits until a mate of mine got one of these - he left us all for dead. I tried to get one but just couldn't get the cash together. Best I got was a ride on my mates one which went like stink when it was on the pipe.
 
Have fun fella.

 Thanks  frosties will do, prices are going up,but not too bad yet



Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Rexr on 09 January 2015, 04:01:24 pm
I'm a big Moto Guzzi fan so for me if I was to get a second bike it would be the V7 as I don't really need another fast bike because I have the fazer, so the V7 would be a sunday afternoon bike bumbling around on......stunning looking thing so it is.....
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 10 January 2015, 04:46:00 pm
Street triple is an ace bike. I'm 6"2 and comfortable enough.  Surprising grunt for around town and great fun using full throttle and letting it scream knowing that it does not mean prison speeds.  Handling is sublime and very light.  I would recommend them to anyone.  I've just swapped mine or a twin for bit more grunt, but not because the street was lacking, just time for a change.


There is currently not another bike I want to try more. After umming and ahhing for so long, the heart & head are now finally in agreement. There are many other bikes I'd like to try, and hopefully I'll one day get around to them, but the Triumph is the only one I'm thinking about now. It will have to wait til after my move now, but it's as good as a done deal.


Nice TDR rex, a fast yellow one too! (ok, so it's mostly black, but yellow is such a powerful colour, it overrides everything else  :lol  ).
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Frosties on 10 January 2015, 05:49:56 pm
Given this a lot of thought Nick and decided you need a cracking all rounder......just like the one below, the MV Augusta Brutale 800RR. Took me a while to decide this  :D
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 10 January 2015, 11:24:30 pm
MVs are works of art. But I already have the best all-rounder ever made  :D
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Rexr on 11 January 2015, 12:58:16 am
Street triple is an ace bike. I'm 6"2 and comfortable enough.  Surprising grunt for around town and great fun using full throttle and letting it scream knowing that it does not mean prison speeds.  Handling is sublime and very light.  I would recommend them to anyone.  I've just swapped mine or a twin for bit more grunt, but not because the street was lacking, just time for a change.



There is currently not another bike I want to try more. After umming and ahhing for so long, the heart & head are now finally in agreement. There are many other bikes I'd like to try, and hopefully I'll one day get around to them, but the Triumph is the only one I'm thinking about now. It will have to wait til after my move now, but it's as good as a done deal.


Nice TDR rex, a fast yellow one too! (ok, so it's mostly black, but yellow is such a powerful colour, it overrides everything else  :lol  ).



Here's my m8's street triple it's up for sale and has a few very sorted parts on it comes with all the stock stuff as well

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717 (http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717)
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 January 2015, 10:05:03 am



Here's my m8's street triple it's up for sale and has a few very sorted parts on it comes with all the stock stuff as well

[url]http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717[/url] ([url]http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717[/url])



Looks like a nice one, with all the right mods. Daytona forks is interesting. I'd be going for an R model, but my budget limit will be around £5k unfortunately, but some nice ones about within, or sometimes just slightly over that. I've decided against buying one right now though, because I'm hardly getting out on the Fazer through winter, so it doesn't seem worthwhile to buy another bike now, just to stash it in the garage until spring, plus the aggro of moving two bikes (and car etc) up north when I go. There was a nice one fairly locally to me recently; black R, with Arrow cans like your mate's one but otherwise pretty standard, for £5.3k, which I might have stretched to, but £5.6k is pushing a little too high for me. My thinking is £5k, plus maybe a couple of hundred to allow for decent cans (preferably the Arrows, and as long as originals come with it too). Gotta set the limit somewhere.
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: JoeRock on 11 January 2015, 10:39:35 am



Here's my m8's street triple it's up for sale and has a few very sorted parts on it comes with all the stock stuff as well

[url]http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717[/url] ([url]http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717[/url])



Looks like a nice one, with all the right mods. Daytona forks is interesting. I'd be going for an R model, but my budget limit will be around £5k unfortunately, but some nice ones about within, or sometimes just slightly over that. I've decided against buying one right now though, because I'm hardly getting out on the Fazer through winter, so it doesn't seem worthwhile to buy another bike now, just to stash it in the garage until spring, plus the aggro of moving two bikes (and car etc) up north when I go. There was a nice one fairly locally to me recently; black R, with Arrow cans like your mate's one but otherwise pretty standard, for £5.3k, which I might have stretched to, but £5.6k is pushing a little too high for me. My thinking is £5k, plus maybe a couple of hundred to allow for decent cans (preferably the Arrows, and as long as originals come with it too). Gotta set the limit somewhere.



Nick, that one looks a very good idea to me. You're looking at 5.3 anway - by the time you've sold the standard forks, brakes, etc etc off that triumph you'd be back down at about 5k, and you'd also have better brakes and suspension as well thrown into the bargain!
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 11 January 2015, 02:24:18 pm



Nick, that one looks a very good idea to me. You're looking at 5.3 anway - by the time you've sold the standard forks, brakes, etc etc off that triumph you'd be back down at about 5k, and you'd also have better brakes and suspension as well thrown into the bargain!


Yep, I pretty much agree, and maybe the Daytona forks should swing it. But it's gonna be enough of a pain shifting everything up to Carlisle or wherever as it is. I'll probably be in a flat for a few months before I get a house sorted too, so could be problems with storage, even just for the bike I've got now, never mind 2. It's a bugger, but it'll have to wait  :\
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: Rexr on 11 January 2015, 03:46:13 pm



Here's my m8's street triple it's up for sale and has a few very sorted parts on it comes with all the stock stuff as well

[url]http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717[/url] ([url]http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C519717[/url])



Looks like a nice one, with all the right mods. Daytona forks is interesting. I'd be going for an R model, but my budget limit will be around £5k unfortunately, but some nice ones about within, or sometimes just slightly over that. I've decided against buying one right now though, because I'm hardly getting out on the Fazer through winter, so it doesn't seem worthwhile to buy another bike now, just to stash it in the garage until spring, plus the aggro of moving two bikes (and car etc) up north when I go. There was a nice one fairly locally to me recently; black R, with Arrow cans like your mate's one but otherwise pretty standard, for £5.3k, which I might have stretched to, but £5.6k is pushing a little too high for me. My thinking is £5k, plus maybe a couple of hundred to allow for decent cans (preferably the Arrows, and as long as originals come with it too). Gotta set the limit somewhere.


It has the arrows (titanium triumph dealer fit) with the remap all the details are in the ad it also has the nitron shock, the Daytona forks have better internals that the R's hence why he fitted them, there's also a sargent seat which as u know if u've ever been on their site are expensive.....and ur getting all the stock parts thrown into the sale as well........I just thought I'd throw it in, one owner from new (him) with low miles and in a awesome colour as well bikes mint
Title: Re: Verging On Buying A Second Bike - What would you have?
Post by: noggythenog on 19 January 2015, 05:54:06 pm
Looky looky Nick...... :evil


Get yur wallet out.... :evil




Im starting to think these are the perfect bike for me too now, i dont care many people have them.


Very affordable at this price 8)




http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/triumph/street-triple-r/7632636/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bikes-for-sale/triumph/street-triple-r/7632636/)