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General => General => Topic started by: dazza on 06 May 2014, 06:59:08 pm
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Hello Foccer's, got an e-mail today regarding a PCN and have no idea what I've supposed to have done. Can anyone shed any light on this for me ?
DATE OF NOTICE 16/4/14
DATE OF CONTRAVENTION 11/3/14
YOU ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DEALING WITH THIS NOTICE DO NOT PASS THIS ON TO THE DRIVER
THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT YOU ARE LIABLE TO PAY A PENALTY CHARGE WITH RESPECT TO THE ABOVE VEHICLE, FOR THE FOLLOWING ALLEGED CONTRAVENTION.
38JL FAILING TO COMPLY WITH A SIGN INDICATING THAT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC MUST PASS TO THE SPECIFIED SIDE OF THE SIGN.
IN ENFIELD ROAD N1 ON 11/3/14 AT 00.09.
Now I have no idea what this means or whether the notice was issued over the set limit of time after the bullshit sounding offence.
Can anyone help ?
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Hi dazza.......strange you got it via email...
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Ring the Council and verify it but don't use any contact details on the email.
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It sounds so official it is blatantly not enforceable.......& i dont even know foc all about it.......but id be willing to take a punt on ignoring this one.......no mention of prosecution if you dont.....& "the" council....are they serious......surely they should call themselves foc-u council or bullshitters r us council or whatever........not "the" only council to ever exist.
It must be fraud......probably eastern europeans scamming you.......or clarkson he's a bad ass these days aint he.
I've got a sign in mind for them......a big foc-u sign & the middle finger.
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Just send me the money dazza and I'll pass it on to them.
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:b
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Hi dazza.......strange you got it via email...
Hi Red, was driving a company van and got the e-mail from my company, 9 weeks after the alleged offence and the notice was issued 5 weeks and one day after, sounds like complete bullshit to me. I was working at Holloway rd underground station on that date but the wording of the offence is far from clear what I actually done wrong and I thought they had to issue the pcn within a specified time from the offence. Does anyone know what the time limit is. ?
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Thats way to long matey....think its 14 days.....give it back to your company and tell them its bollocks.....the PCN not your company :rolleyes.....nice offer from bri, top foccer :lol
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I thought you had to be notified within 14 days, as long as the details are correct on the log book, also it would be by letter, are you sure it's not a "mate" winding you up? how do they know your email address?
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Ask yourself how on earth "the council" could have gotten hold of your email address!
It's spam. It's a phishing exercise. Ignore it. File it in the dustbin along with all the "you've won the lottery", "you could be in line for compensation" and "you're owed a tax refund" spam.
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I thought you had to be notified within 14 days, as long as the details are correct on the log book, also it would be by letter, are you sure it's not a "mate" winding you up? how do they know your email address?
Chaz, chaz, chaz.....its dazza.......he rides a yellow bike........he has no mates...... :lol
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It's bullshit matey, as everyone else says, it's a scam!
Pretty sure that the council can't enforce traffic legislation, that's the law courts job unless it's on private property, even then they'll struggle to get anything out if it.
As already said, phone the local council office and confirm it.
Or email them back and ask for proof of the offence actually taking place so you can forward it in to your solicitor. I'm sure they won't send anything back.
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:lol OK, before this thread deteriorates, It's a company van, the pcn was sent to my company and my company have just e-mailed me. I couldn't copy and paste the pcn from the e-mail so I typed a section of it on to here. It's the notorious Islington council responsible for the notice and they say they have photographic evidence of me ignoring a sign saying that vehicles must pass to the specified side of the sign.....WTF, confused ? I am. :(
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Hello Foccer's, got an e-mail today regarding a PCN and have no idea what I've supposed to have done. Can anyone shed any light on this for me ?
DATE OF NOTICE 16/4/14
DATE OF CONTRAVENTION 11/3/14
YOU ARE LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR DEALING WITH THIS NOTICE DO NOT PASS THIS ON TO THE DRIVER
THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THAT YOU ARE LIABLE TO PAY A PENALTY CHARGE WITH RESPECT TO THE ABOVE VEHICLE, FOR THE FOLLOWING ALLEGED CONTRAVENTION.
38JL FAILING TO COMPLY WITH A SIGN INDICATING THAT VEHICULAR TRAFFIC MUST PASS TO THE SPECIFIED SIDE OF THE SIGN.
IN ENFIELD ROAD N1 ON 11/3/14 AT 00.09.
Now I have no idea what this means or whether the notice was issued over the set limit of time after the bullshit sounding offence.
Can anyone help ?
Chances are you went around a bollard on the right when it specified left only or something like that and the council had a camera watching the road. Look for video evidence of the alleged offence.
I know what you are thinking , how the foc does an Irish Cork foccer know this? :eek because it happened to a friend of a friend in north London some time ago during the high winds. He went around a bollard with a blue arrow indicating left on the right because there was debris blown onto the road. The video showed he had no choice, but to go around it on the wrong side and they dropped it. :) Another way of making money for the poor cash strapped councils and it appears there is no real time limit :rolleyes just like parking tickets.
There appears to be a lot of controversy about it with people claiming it is entrapment.
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Rule of thumb is the PNC or NIP needs to be sent out within 14 days of the offence (The day of the offence is not included) and allow two days for posting. If It's a firms van your employer should notify you as soon as reasonably possible.
Sound like you you went the wrong side of one of these.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/adthebad/Keepleft_zpsaacd1d0d.jpg) (http://s150.photobucket.com/user/adthebad/media/Keepleft_zpsaacd1d0d.jpg.html)
Or went through a larger gap for use by emergency or municipal vehicles.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s85/adthebad/wr_zps2f454bbf.jpg) (http://s150.photobucket.com/user/adthebad/media/wr_zps2f454bbf.jpg.html)
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Do people not read others comments, after you said it was your company that emailed you people still saying it's a scam?
Use your eyes peeps.
As for the offence it will be what kosmic has posted above.
Have a look at their photo evidence then unless there was a genuine reason for going the wrong side of the sign just pay the fine- I believe if the police had seen you do it it's endorsable!
Did it several times on the bike years ago, got one of these through the post and haven't done it since!
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Aaah, now it makes sense dazza!
Must be a London thing then, never heard if it up and around here. Council have no power over traffic legislation up here, purely cops and courts, the best way!
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Cheers fellas, it's obvious now what I've meant to have done. Although I can't remember it, it's entirely possible. I will ask for photographic evidence and just pay it if it's confirmed. Fucking grieves me though. :grumble BUT, 36 days after the offence to the notice, is this an out ?
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Another foc-u thing totally focced. :smokin
Dont worry dazza...aint your fault.
Just your.......
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Do people not read others comments, after you said it was your company that emailed you people still saying it's a scam?
Use your eyes peeps.
:thumbup As above which makes me wonder how more foccers haven't owned up to getting one of these pcn's ;)
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I got a pcn off Haringey council years ago for riding in a bus lane. Took them to PATAS claiming their signage was insufficient and won. Great feeling that was :)
Call council direct to prove its not a scam and get the photo / video evidence (they can't withold it) and check all the signage and whether there was a reason for doing it.
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link fail :\
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Go onto islington.gov and find the parking/fine section. Type the pcn number in and see if it was u on the pictures.
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Theres a positive story could come outta this.
You say that you were riding Nicks bike in wales......or he says he was riding your van through lundin........then one o yous gets outta jail......both got yellow bikes anyway so no drama. :b
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Problem is as the charge has gone directly to his company (the registered owner of the vehicle) they have probably paid the charge already in order to pay at the cheaper rate, and are now pursuing the money back from the driver!
Although I'd be happy for dazza to tell me I'm wrong and he is being given a chance to defend himself! (but I doubt that!)
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Wait a cottton picking mo.
Its says PCN --- that stands for parking charge notice.
I think its your company that has been scammed by the fake notice and they have just paid it and now are trying to pas it on to you.
Have a look here http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163 (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163)
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It stands for penalty charge notice and I have just seen the photos and as Unfazed and kosmic said I have driven through the wider centre bit, no bollards or arrow but a sign that I can't make out from the pictures but white parallel lines on the road. Think I've got tohold my hands up. Will see if I can post a pic up when I'm on the laptop.
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Its says PCN --- that stands for parking charge notice.
PCN stand for Penalty Charge Notice.
London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003
38JL Failing to comply with a sign indicating that vehicular traffic must pass to the specified side of the sign.
;)
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Ah I am wrong then, sorry
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Ah I am wrong then, sorry
Don't ya just hate that
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It stands for penalty charge notice and I have just seen the photos and as kosmic said I have driven through the wider centre bit, no bollards or arrow but a sign that I can't make out from the pictures .
If there was no bollard or blue sign with the arrow to indicate which side to go you have a case to argue it.
If the companies already paid it though its a pain.
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Just checked the photo again and there was bollards there. Photos not clear enough to see any arrows but think I'm bang to rights on this one. :\ Going to question why it has taken them so long to issue the PCN but think I'm focced tbh. The real frustration about this is that last night I came out the office and disturbed and challenged a group of 5 men trying to steal one of our company vans, took a photo of their car and put myself right in the firing line and guess what, NO camera has been accessed to trace these 5 car thieves but there am I going through a wide bit. :wall
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And now for the good news :D My company have just called me to say that down to my efforts last night in preventing the theft of their van, they are going to pay the PCN for me. Happy days. 8)
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Personally I'd challenge the pcn stating that you're using their own photos as your evidence that no signage is visible in these lighting conditions to state which side to travel through!
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Naa. I'd settle for being branded a hero and letting the company pay it as a reward.
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Most obvious thing is that the hatchings are surrounded by a solid white line so no excuse really Punkstig I'd have thought.
Just got to take the lack of observation on the chin and use the experience to good effect in the future.
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Most obvious thing is that the hatchings are surrounded by a solid white line so no excuse really Punkstig I'd have thought.
Just got to take the lack of observation on the chin and use the experience to good effect in the future.
I have to agree with that Locksmith. I don't know what made me go through there really as I don't usually and am very aware that there are cameras watching our every move in London. Must have let my guard down. Still, won't do it again and it's not coming out my wages now so, who gives a foc. :lol
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These sorts of lanes are new to me - can I ask what the purpose of them is?
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Yeah I'd take it on the chin. No missing the fact that picture's a diamond ;)
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What the real purpose? To prey on your natural reaction to take the wider and safer route to prevent scraping your vehicle on the ridiculously tight gap that they want you to go through and setting up a camera to capture you doing this thus raising revenue for the said local authority. :b
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I gathered that much Dazza ;)
What's the reason the council use for installing these sorts of roads though (the official stance) as it seems nothing but plain bonkers to me
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The official stance is "Traffic Calming" to slow down the cars etc using the route.
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These sorts of lanes are new to me - can I ask what the purpose of them is?
Traffic calming and safe crossing point I'd imagine
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The official stance is "Traffic Calming" to slow down the cars etc using the route.
Nope, just to restrict large business vehicles going through residential areas, not for speed!
As for the hatch lines I wasn't examining those when looking at the picture, just trying to make out the signage, as the outer lines are solid you wouldn't be allowed through, so yeah, take it on the chin.
But as you've said the company's covered it then happy days!
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IF it turns out to be a scam, pm me the contact details etc.
Im a 419 scam baiter ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scam_baiting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scam_baiting)
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They are also there to stop vehicles that are wider than 6'-6" entering an area or using the road as a cut through.
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That means midden wudda definately got a ticket.....