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General => General => Topic started by: caretaker on 03 May 2014, 02:06:51 pm
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dont know what your views on this are, but i think it's just typical non-pc clarkson. no big deal. but the comical thing about this is that harriet harman is calling for his resignation. i was aware of her involvement with the paedophile exchange long before the daily mail brought it to the public's attention. she never condemned their efforts to lower the age of consent to 10 or their attempt to make photos of children legal. racism i can live with, paedophilia is in 'bullet to the head' territory as far as i'm concerned.
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I bet he wishes he said ' dip dip bird shit. '
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racism i can live with,....
Why?
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Went straight over my head. But that'll be like most 'racial' innuendo, not offensive untill some prat makes the link.......
Even now I cringe if a coloured bloke is nearby when I ask for a black coffee :rolleyes
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i know people tend to think of racism as a colour thing but i've had some stick when i was younger for being half german. i have a number of polish mates i ride with and they put up with the abuse because it's sort of accepted. having delved into my family history, i found that my grandad was polish and my gran a romanian gipsy which would explain why my shed is full of bike junk!
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If the Daily Mirror or their audio forensic "experts" hadn't known how the rhyme went they would never have figured out what he was trying to avoid saying. It was less clear than the mumbliest bits of "Jamaica Inn" that everyone was getting so worked up about a week ago. Also less offensive than his recent "slope" remark.. which was not only deliberate, but went to air.
At least the Mirror's own poll has backfired on them, scoring 79% in favour of his not being sacked over the "incident". Not that that'll stop them jumping on his next slightly off-colour utterance.
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Hes a miserable old sod that dislikes everything and everyone equally, does this make the slur right?
Well in this day and age, no.
As a kid I remember using that rhyme along with that word when playing tag, and I am by no means racist.
Subconsciously he knew it was wrong by mumbling the whole sentence, but he just didn't consciously think it through!
I don't think he's racist- as I said before, he's just miserable.
I enjoy the programme and his old page he had in the sun.
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dont know what your views on this are, but i think it's just typical non-pc clarkson. no big deal. but the comical thing about this is that harriet harman is calling for his resignation. i was aware of her involvement with the paedophile exchange long before the daily mail brought it to the public's attention. she never condemned their efforts to lower the age of consent to 10 or their attempt to make photos of children legal. racism i can live with, paedophilia is in 'bullet to the head' territory as far as i'm concerned.
As quoted in the DAILY MAIL get yer fucking facts right you TORY PRICK ref:Harriet Harman
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Not that I'm a fan of (attention seeker, overpaid) Clarkson, but it's how you use words that matter, not what you say.
Didn't Harman call Danny Alexander a 'Ginger Rodent' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228) ?
Perhaps she shouldn't be such a hypocrite ?
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Not that I'm a fan of (attention seeker, overpaid) Clarkson, but it's how you use words that matter, not what you say.
Didn't Harman call Danny Alexander a 'Ginger Rodent' [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228[/url]) ?
Perhaps she shouldn't be such a hypocrite ?
Think, having watched the vid clip that was rather tongue in cheek at least she never used the word nigger, Clarkson has been pushing the boundaries for sometime now.
All I will say shame she was not the leader of the Labour party got more about her than most off those twats.
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This country has gone totally frigging mad, pathetic even!
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This country has gone totally frigging mad, pathetic even!
That is why I live in Spain mate, it is fecked, just like the UK, but at least the weather is great and the price of a pint is even better , plus get to ride my bike as often as I like.
Sorry but I am a shit stirring auld git :rollin
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This country has gone totally frigging mad, pathetic even!
That is why I live in Spain mate, it is fecked, just like the UK, but at least the weather is great and the price of a pint is even better , plus get to ride my bike as often as I like.
Sorry but I am a shit stirring auld git :rollin
There's nothing like a bit of smugness to kick someone in the balls! :P
Cheers lew600fazer. [Mumble, mumble, mumble]
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I dont know if any black people have complained,,
just the white gutter press stirring it up i guess..
I have a black bloke coming here later , i will ask him about it,,i am guessing his answer,,,,he will probably say "what a load of bollox"
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i know people tend to think of racism as a colour thing but i've had some stick when i was younger for being half german. i have a number of polish mates i ride with and they put up with the abuse because it's sort of accepted. having delved into my family history, i found that my grandad was polish and my gran a romanian gipsy which would explain why my shed is full of bike junk!
Sssshhhhh!! caretaker's here.......for God's sake don't mention ze var! :lol
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Think, having watched the vid clip that was rather tongue in cheek at least she never used the word nigger, Clarkson has been pushing the boundaries for sometime now.
All I will say shame she was not the leader of the Labour party got more about her than most off those twats.
As a life long Labour supporter, and she used to be my MP, I'm glad she wasn't !
As this man pointed out, it's just a word. It's what you use it for that matters http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2318652/Reginald-D-Hunter-PFA-gig-Comedian-defends-use-N-word.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2318652/Reginald-D-Hunter-PFA-gig-Comedian-defends-use-N-word.html)
Something still makes me think this is just another Clarkson self publicity stunt
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IMO - These days you can't say jack shit without having to contemplate the fall out.
A spade is a spade yes? Nothing racist about the is there? Or is there?
When I was a kid all this racist crap never existed. (What I mean is walking on eggshells all the time.- as someone said 'cringing when asking for a black coffee - its Americano now?'
Also.. none of the people I went to school with had ADHD or whatever it's called - I believe that 1 in 10 kids now have it (10%)!
WTF? :wall
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IMO - These days you can't say jack shit without having to contemplate the fall out.
A spade is a spade yes? Nothing racist about the is there? Or is there?
When I was a kid all this racist crap never existed. (What I mean is walking on eggshells all the time.- as someone said 'cringing when asking for a black coffee - its Americano now?'
Also.. none of the people I went to school with had ADHD or whatever it's called - I believe that 1 in 10 kids now have it (10%)!
WTF? :wall
What Drax said basically. PC bullshit and people trying to elevate their own status by complaing. Feckin madness.........
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Another problem with PC that I've encountered is that nowadays, if you can't be pigeon holed, you're ostracized.
Part of the reason I love being a biker.
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How come there wasn't an outcry when he was going on about bikers near his home, he said " nothing a length of wire streched across the road won't solve" or was I the only person watching that program?
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How come there wasn't an outcry when he was going on about bikers near his home, he said " nothing a length of wire streched across the road won't solve" or was I the only person watching that program?
Because after the first bike, people would be riding up with baseball bats... :evil
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As someone earlier said, it's not what is said but it's how it's said. Not only that, it's who is saying it. About 4 years ago I was taking responsibility for removing London's many pirate radio stations and was being shown some of the less salubrious tower blocks in London where they put their transmitters. We took one station off air and the guy I was to replace was explaining that the owner of this station would often turn up but was harmless enough. At this point a tatty Escort van pulled into the street and drove slowly towards us. Thinking it might be the station owner, we stood there watching it as it drove up. As it get level with us the driver wound down his window, looked at us and said, "What's the matter, have you guys never seen a nigger before?"
So he can say it when talking about himself but nobody else, or at least no white person, can say it about him. How does that work then?
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Who cares? The role Clarkson plays is an ass, but that's all it is A ROLE. He has made a great deal of money by saying controversial and sometimes offensive stuff, which is why there are idiots hanging off his every word in the hope that they can scandalise it and bring him down.
Surely there is more important things going on in the world to be filling the news rather than what some podgy, over the hill, TV celeb might or might not have said?
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Not that I'm a fan of (attention seeker, overpaid) Clarkson, but it's how you use words that matter, not what you say.
Didn't Harman call Danny Alexander a 'Ginger Rodent' [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-11658228[/url]) ?
Perhaps she shouldn't be such a hypocrite ?
Think, having watched the vid clip that was rather tongue in cheek at least she never used the word nigger, Clarkson has been pushing the boundaries for sometime now.
All I will say shame she was not the leader of the Labour party got more about her than most off those twats.
Oh I'm awake now, I missed this one thought it was still going on about the slope comment.......
Ginger rodent is just as bad and/or humorous and shouldn't be excused as tongue and cheek. It should be one rule across the board. In fact in comparison it's worse as it was actually directed at a person. Just that that person probably laughed it off.
Makes me laugh how the 'N' word is so taboo when a white person uses it (in any context) yet it's ok for coloured people to call each other it in public and in fact write it in to song lyrics.
Interestingly I'm glad but surprised that 'Stupidity' hadn't bleeped out Nigger in the 'Dam busters' the last time I watched it :)
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Who cares? The role Clarkson plays is an ass, but that's all it is A ROLE. He has made a great deal of money by saying controversial and sometimes offensive stuff, which is why there are idiots hanging off his every word in the hope that they can scandalise it and bring him down.
Surely there is more important things going on in the world to be filling the news rather than what some podgy, over the hill, TV celeb might or might not have said?
:thumbup :thumbup
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How come there wasn't an outcry when he was going on about bikers near his home, he said " nothing a length of wire streched across the road won't solve" or was I the only person watching that program?
We know where you live Clarkson ;)
Chipping Norton - anyone want his address? :evil :lol
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Nigger is just a colloquial of negro...is that racist ??..is Caucasian racist too..? Black is a color not a racist remark. Its all bullshit .People have been calling each other names for ever ...sticks and stones etc...
What is" racism" anyway ??....in the UK today too many people winge on about it when tbh theres more foreigners here than indigenous brits and most are doing quite well from it. Hardly downtrodden slaves....... We should be more concerned with starving poor people in the Uk than an off screen utterance from a burk like JC...
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I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?
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In a similar vein, "stan" means "place of the". Afghanistan is where the Afghans come from, etc etc.
When I was a kid, we used to use the paki shop to get our sweets. We weren't being racist - we were possibly ignorant, for those good shopkeepers may well have been from India, but we meant no malice whatsoever. And surely that's where racism should be defined, when something is meant in a derogatory way?
Clarkson is, as others have said, a buffoon, there's much more important things to worry about!
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I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?
The term was used as a derogatory name that whites called the black slaves, and its this link that is the controversial bit.
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I met Clarkson at the Nuburgring when he did the S Type Jaguar piece and if I remember correctly, in a quiet moment away from the camera's and talking to a group of us who were there on bikes, he's a bit of a closet biker himself - I think he even owned up to having a RD250 when he was young.
Like someone else said, his TV persona is an act. In real life and away from the camera's, he seems like an ordinary bloke - in fact, when we standing alone, by the Jag, smoking, between some filming, he seemed as lonely and out of place as any normal person might be in the same situation and he seemed genuinely glad when we spoke to him.
We also got to do some messing with them when they were out in the public sessions, which was fun (but man, was he slow in that car).
Back on the PC/racism topic, some of our closest friends are of Indian descent, and I have aMalaysian brother in law, Honduran and Chinese sisters in law, a very close group Mexican friends and one of my oldest friends is from Ghana. Yet, when we're together we always have jokes about ethnicity, every way and it's all done and taken in the fun manner in which is was meant - friendly and with no intent to "abuse".
In my, not so humble, opinion, racism CANNOT be identified by the words a person uses - only by the manner and intent in which they are used - and RACISM works both ways. When was the last time we heard of a White English person suffering from racial abuse, or suffering a "racist" (or hate-crime) attack ?
The PC community need to get real and let everyone get on with their lives.
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It's just the media being total wankers as usual.
One of the few British icons we have left and they're trying to bring him down just to make a profit.
Remember, that video was never meant for public release, so whoever the arsehole is that leaked it should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Whatever next, are they gonna persecute people for thinking things as well?
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Firstly I'm really not that interested.
What I do find more interesting are some of the comments in this thread.
I'll start with darrsi;
It's just the media being total wankers as usual.
Clarkson loves the media, he plays to them.
One of the few British icons we have left and they're trying to bring him down just to make a profit.
God help us if people consider Clarkson an icon, he's an embarrassment, as for profit - see above.
Now to the head post,
i was aware of her involvement with the paedophile exchange
I am not aware of Harriet Harman having any involvement in what I think you mean to be Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE). I do not think that is correct.
or their attempt to make photos of children legal
PIE would not have to make any such attempt. There is nothing illegal about images of children.
racism i can live with, paedophilia is in 'bullet to the head' territory as far as i'm concerned.
Neither paedophilia or racism should be tolerated.
Pitternator,
Nigger is just a colloquial of negro...is that racist ??
Yes it is a racist term. It is a 'white man's' term for a person of African descent, it is a word strongly associated, historically, with discrimination, slavery, torture right through to mass murder and genocide.
People have been calling each other names for ever ...sticks and stones etc...
Yes people have been manipulating language for thousands of years. If you can control language, and you can use language to demonise others, then you can 'legitimately' descriminate right through to eliminating an entire section or race from society. Do not underestimate the power of language.
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Bit like us
We can called each other Foccers but if someone else called you that while out shopping you would be offended :lol
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Clarkson is entertaining, as are his oppos, May and the hamster. The new series is too contrived, which is a shame, but it's still good telly. As entertainment goes, him and his antics are what you expect to get. If you don't like him, vote with your feet( or the telly remote at least), if you do, enjoy it for what it is, old school banter. The day will come when there will be none of that left, until then I'll take it for the harmless entertainment that it us.
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If you don't like him, vote with your feet
Indeed I do. It's pretty dumb, dull, stupid TV. It's sad it's so popular.
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Ah well hey. I guess there's still a few pretty dumb, dull stupid people like me about. We can't all be clever, interesting and intelligent. How's that working out for you?
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Nigger is just a colloquial of negro...is that racist ??
Yes it is a racist term. It is a 'white man's' term for a person of African descent, it is a word strongly associated, historically, with discrimination, slavery, torture right through to mass murder and genocide.
Bollocks. If that was the case it wouldn't be commonplace for people of African origin to refer to each of by the term. It is only considered racist by the white pc brigade and not by those that it is supposed to be insulting to. Neither of the two black guys I work with (one is Afro-Caribbean, the other from Ghana) consider it to be derogatory and will use it to describe each other. But heaven help me if anyone overheard me use it.....
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I am Nobody's Nigger - Dean Atta,
DEAN ATTA - I AM NOBODY'S NIGGER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8BekKPhDqg#ws)
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So Jeremy said something non pc in front of his team...his colleagues.....& then gets grassed up to the media.....so what happened to reporting him up the chain or having a word with him about it?.....no!...straight to the papers.....something smells fishy.
If we go on a rideout with an action cam & do illegal riding then we should accept that the footage may get us in trouble......but you wouldn't expect another foccer to give that footage to the police without some kind of argument or disagreement first.
So how are these shows orchestrated......do they just say right you may & hammond....make some shit up......or is it all rehearsed & planned?......either way the production company or the director or whoever should be taking a portion of the blame for this......when a ship sinks who usually takes responsibility...the captain.....even if the actions of the one of the crew were really at fault.
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I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?
I was told that too and thus makes it more in some ways offensive to non Nigerians. A bit like calling an Indian a Paki....
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I thought that the word Nigger came from the dark skinned natives of the Niger delta, Hence the country Nigeria. So surely its a term used to describe a people from a certain area?
I was told that too and thus makes it more in some ways offensive to non Nigerians. A bit like calling an Indian a Paki....
Or a Canadian a Yank
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Some people seem to exercise their God-given right (can I say that without offending atheists?) to take offence at anything and everything a little too easily.
Anyway, here's Chris Rock's views on the issue:
Chris Rock - When Can White People Say Niggah? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPDetBACaU0#)
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Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;
Naggers: Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
Niggerlover: Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of Blacks.
Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
Nigger-flicker: A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks.
Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,
Ten Little Niggers;
Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.
So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 ......... well best not to.
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Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;
Naggers: Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
Niggerlover: Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of Blacks.
Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
Nigger-flicker: A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks.
Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,
Ten Little Niggers;
Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.
So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 ......... well best not to.
Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.
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I assume you are being sarcastic lew600fazer.
Anyway back to Clarkson. I've seen the clip and don't really quite know what to make of it. It's as if he is trying to be funny by trying not to say the n word, and sensibly he decides it doesn't work.
Whilst Clarkson is a bit of a moron, he's far from stupid, and no I don't think he's a racist. Clarkson however does ken exactly why that word is off limits and hence his groveling apology for, umm, not having actually said it, or sounding as if he muttered it or whatever.
So no, I don't see a problem and have no idea why there is a big fuss.
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'Video mysteriously leaked' ! Hmmm
It's another Set Up by the Clarkson notoriety/publicity department, and we're all falling for it.
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So a balding fart has quoted a nursery rhyme in a clip that was never broadcast (until it was leaked). Why exactly do we give a shit?
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lol. im more concerned about the dosh from my bastid licence fee thats been wasted on some of the stuff from the last series (the supermarket sweep springs to mind)
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It's pale not pail. Do you realise the irony in that statement.
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lol. im more concerned about the dosh from my bastid licence fee thats been wasted on some of the stuff from the last series (the supermarket sweep springs to mind)
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The show generates huge income from overseas sales and easily pays for itself plus a very large profit which goes back into the service.
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Aha!
Then I was right the first time :)
The mans a national hero, and I can enjoy top gear once again without feeling guilty. Poor sods getting divorced now, that'll cost him...
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I'll push Cl*rkson under a bus. Actually, better still, feet first through a bacon slicer would give more pleasure.
Don't watch Top Gear as I'm not in the slightest bit interested in cars.
He's a twunt.
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Everyones A Little Bit Racist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM#)
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I assume you are being sarcastic lew600fazer.
Anyway back to Clarkson. I've seen the clip and don't really quite know what to make of it. It's as if he is trying to be funny by trying not to say the n word, and sensibly he decides it doesn't work.
Whilst Clarkson is a bit of a moron, he's far from stupid, and no I don't think he's a racist. Clarkson however does ken exactly why that word is off limits and hence his groveling apology for, umm, not having actually said it, or sounding as if he muttered it or whatever.
So no, I don't see a problem and have no idea why there is a big fuss.
No, if you think it is acceptable to use the N word 23 times or so in your post?well I don't. Enjoy your forum will go somewhere else were bikes are actually discussed. Bye
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No point pretending the word doesn't exist, lew. That doesn't achieve anything.
I actually found Andy's list quite an interesting thing - educational, even. I struggle to see how anyone could read the post and think he's condoning the use of the word.
Still, if you're off, you're off, bye, sure you'll not be missed :thumbup
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Here's some typical historical uses of the word nigger;
Naggers: Acting in a lazy and irresponsible manner.
Niggerlipping: wetting the end of a cigarette while smoking it.
Niggerlover: Derogatory term aimed at Whites lacking in the necessary loathing of Blacks.
Nigger luck: Exceptionally, but undeserved good luck.
Nigger-flicker: A small knife or razor with one side heavily taped to preserve the user's fingers.
Nigger heaven: Designated places, usually the balcony, where Blacks were forced to sit, for example, in an integrated movie theater or church.
Nigger knocker: Axe handle or weapon made from an axe handle.
Nigger rich: Deeply in debt but flamboyant.
Nigger shooter: A slingshot.
Nigger steak: A slice of liver or a cheap piece of meat.
Nigger stick: Police officer's baton.
Nigger tip: Leaving a small tip or no tip in a restaurant.
Nigger in the woodpile: A concealed motive or unknown factor affecting a situation in an adverse way.
Nigger work: Demeaning, menial tasks.
Also when bringing up (white) children it was important that they understood that niggers were inferior and not desirable,
Ten Little Niggers;
Ten Little Nigger Boys went out to dine;
One choked his little self, and then there were nine.
Nine Little Nigger Boys sat up very late; one overslept, and then there were eight. Eight Little Nigger Boys traveling in Devon; one said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.
Seven Little Nigger Boys chopping up sticks; one chopped himself in halves, and then there were six.
Six Little Nigger Boys playing with a hive; a Bumblebee stung one, and then there were five.
Five Little Nigger Boys going in for Law; one got in Chancery, and then there were four.
Four Little Nigger Boys going out to Sea; A Red Herring swallowed one, and then there were three.
Three Little Nigger Boys walking in the Zoo; the big Bear hugged one, and then there were two;
Two Little Nigger Boys sitting in the Sun; one got frizzled up, and then there was one.
One Little Nigger Boy living all alone; He went out and hanged himself and then there were none.
So, if you are white, or anything but black, unless it's Christmas Eve, between 04.30 - 4.49 ......... well best not to.
Sorry but think it is time you were invited to leave the forum, think you just went beyond the pail.
Lew, VNA here is trying to address the debate about it being a racist term. It (and your reaction) serves well to highlight the fact that the word 'Nigger' is, and has always been, a derogatory term created by white people, and ingrained into white culture until relatively recently.
Anyway, getting back to the original point, I think we have a solution. :b
http://newsthump.com/2014/05/06/bbc-to-trial-jeremy-clarkson-mute-button/ (http://newsthump.com/2014/05/06/bbc-to-trial-jeremy-clarkson-mute-button/)
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I for one am getting pissed off by the way we need to walk on eggs all the fucking time. Most of my black friends in Uni call each other "nigger". Listened to any rap "music" recently? The wheel turns, offensive words will become accepted again, and vice versa.
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Yes as richfzs and mr self destruct have said.
No, if you think it is acceptable to use the N word 23 times or so in your post?
lew600fazer,
The reason I did that is to point out the history of the word and why perhaps one should avoid, or better still never let it pass ones lips.
Dictionary.com says "The term NIGGER is now probably the most offensive word in English"
Some folks are arguing that it's OK to use the word, but I argue that if you have half a brain and a little common sense it's not a word you should ever use. But to make that case I have to use the word.
History should not be re-written, hidden away or denied, otherwise we can not possibly learn from it.
As for black people using the word nigger, nigga or whatever, my opinion is that maybe they should give more consideration to the argument put forward by Dean Atta and others. I do not think it's a word that can be re-claimed or cleaned up. I'd beg them not to use it, I hate that word, but then that's for them to decide.
I guess we've come some way since say Agatha Christie published her novel Ten Little Niggers, or the protrayal of black Americans in Oscar winning films as happy little slaves to their white masters and/or golly wogs on jam jars, but then we have still got some way yet to go.
As for the source of my "unacceptable" post, I cut and paste from the non profit education organisation The African American Registry - Nigger (The Word), A Brief History - http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/nigger-word-brief-history (http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/nigger-word-brief-history)
There's a nice little interesting short video at the bottom of the page.
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It has become such a horrible word because of the way it has been used. I'm sure Agatha didn't use it that way.
Take the word 'fuck'. Entirely different meanings depending on context :D
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I thought he origin was the Latin for black. Given the history of the word I can't see how it could ever stop being considered offensive.
I'm not sure what to make of this last thing with Clarkson. He clearly didn't seem comfortable using the word and I wonder if it wasn't his idea. The slope comment went straight over my head and had there not being a history of such things I would have accepted that they didn't know that it would cause offence.
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/it-all-comes-down-to-having-a-weird-looking-penis-says-clarkson-2014050286221 (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/it-all-comes-down-to-having-a-weird-looking-penis-says-clarkson-2014050286221)
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I personally believe that political correctness has gone way too far - in fact so far that it has made me a fan of anti-political correctness. The areas of life impacted by this pointless drivel are astounding and I for one am happy to rebel against it.
As for Clarkson, let's face it, he makes his living from this type of reputation and recent events will do him no harm whatsoever. I don't agree with all of his opinions but I applaud the irreverent manner in which he expresses them and find much of it hilarious.
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Spot on mate...
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I personally believe that political correctness has gone way too far - in fact so far that it has made me a fan of anti-political correctness. The areas of life impacted by this pointless drivel are astounding and I for one am happy to rebel against it.
Have you ever considered politics MEM62? That's a great example of a paragraph that seems to say something, but actually says absolutely nothing at all.
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Always been a big fan of clarkson, always makes me laugh.Close to the mark sometimes ,but if you dont like it dont watch him,simple.
What can you say nowadays without offending some culture or colour.
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But it's OK for Lenny Henry's band to be called 'Poor White Trash and the Little Big Horns' ?
Imagine if it was called 'Poor Nigger and the Little Big Horns'
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I'm human race ist.........everyone is foccin cnuts!!!
& wasps....they're nippy little foccers too.......what did wasps ever do for anyone.
& clarkson has been a very naughty boy....i hope he throws in the towel so we can fill the 8pm sunday slot with more foccin singing, skating, dancing, cooking, felching tosspots.
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But it's OK for Lenny Henry's band to be called 'Poor White Trash and the Little Big Horns' ?
Imagine if it was called 'Poor Nigger and the Little Big Horns'
His idea of humour was marrying a fat funny bird, he was never any good at it himself.
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But it's OK for Lenny Henry's band to be called 'Poor White Trash and the Little Big Horns' ?
Imagine if it was called 'Poor Nigger and the Little Big Horns'
His idea of humour was marrying a fat funny bird, he was never any good at it himself.
Can't say fat, she is big boned :rollin
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I've met her. She's very nice :)
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I've shagged her .... I had to roll her in flour and aim at the damp bits
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Exupnut - you've shagged everybody !
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Exupnut - you've shagged everybody !
Or been shagged. ;)
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I've met her. She's very nice :)
Were you holding food at the time? :b
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I've met her. She's very nice :)
Were you holding food at the time? :b
Careful, someone will accuse you of being a "fattist".
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I've met her. She's very nice :)
Were you holding food at the time? :b
Careful, someone will accuse you of being a "fattist".
This is where the argument goes full circle again.
Being a slender 16 stone myself, is it okay for me to joke about it but not skinny people?
Probably not, but I do have a sense of humour, unlike the PC brigade who want to turn people into robots!
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Hoho, you are so funny you stupid fat foccer.
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Interesting the whole racism bit - apparently its ok to denigrate the white indigenous working class by referring to them as 'chavs' and some articles about so called feckless white chavs i've seen in the press would have caused a storm if the word 'Chav' had been replaced by 'paki' which I wouldn't condone either - but it's time for a more equal playing field, how much do we hear about the 1m plus white slaves carried off from Europe to Africa by berber pirates in 17 & 18 century - nix! but endless stories of black people being sold into slavery by their own people and transported to the USA where they were incredibly badly abused are repeated endlessly.
Do I think people should be judged by their skin colour NO but that includes all of us and white farmers who are being forced off their land because they are white deserve as much support as black christian Sudanese who are being attacked by their Moslem arab neighbours. Just a thought that anti racism needs to apply evenly .......
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Hoho, you are so funny you stupid fat foccer.
You on the other hand are obviously just a complete prick who sees how far he can go to wind people up and take things to the limits.
There's a difference in being humorous and having a laugh.......or being you!
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Interesting the whole racism bit - apparently its ok to denigrate the white indigenous working class by referring to them as 'chavs' and some articles about so called feckless white chavs i've seen in the press would have caused a storm if the word 'Chav' had been replaced by 'paki' which I wouldn't condone either - but it's time for a more equal playing field, how much do we hear about the 1m plus white slaves carried off from Europe to Africa by berber pirates in 17 & 18 century - nix! but endless stories of black people being sold into slavery by their own people and transported to the USA where they were incredibly badly abused are repeated endlessly.
Do I think people should be judged by their skin colour NO but that includes all of us and white farmers who are being forced off their land because they are white deserve as much support as black christian Sudanese who are being attacked by their Moslem arab neighbours. Just a thought that anti racism needs to apply evenly .......
Gets my vote as the most sensible post on this thread.
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apparently its ok to denigrate the white indigenous working class by referring to them as 'chavs'
I looked up the definition and history of 'chav'.
Chav - a young working class person who dresses in casual sports clothing.
History - added to the English dictionary in 2005.
Oh yeah, 'chav' is such a heavily loaded dangerous word man, just like nigger - eh? Not!
but it's time for a more equal playing field, how much do we hear about the 1m plus white slaves carried off from Europe to Africa by berber pirates in 17 & 18 century - nix! but endless stories of black people being sold into slavery by their own people and transported to the USA where they were incredibly badly abused are repeated endlessly.
The difference is that you are taking of a 1/10th of those taken to the Americas. It does show that slavery does go across all races. But in general it has been discrimination aginst black people, particularly African blacks, often descendant of slaves that continued to be discriminated against until very recent years, and some would say continue to be discriminated against to this day. And you certainly get that impression on the fazer forum!
It was for example, not that long ago that the UK was supporting apartheid in South Africa. So no its not ancient history.
but endless stories of black people being sold into slavery by their own people and transported to the USA
Oh yes, of course it was their own fault- what?
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You on the other hand are obviously just a complete prick who sees how far he can go to wind people up and take things to the limits.
There's a difference in being humorous and having a laugh.......or being you!
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Just words dude. Sticks and stones, yeah, know what ah mean? Having a sense of humour failure you stupid fat cunt?
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VNA at no point did i say it was their own fault that they were sold into slavery - critique if you like but do it honestly, don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say because it suits you.
As to 'Chav' you make my point for me by your reply - it seems ok to use chav to denigrate an entire class of people because it's more acceptable to do that to white people than others who aren't white.
Apparently it's acceptable to enslave by forcible mass kidnaps 1m+ white people by Berber raids across Europe and attacks on shipping as its a smaller number than those transported across the Atlantic - really???
As to being discriminated against because of your colour that applies to white farmers in Zimbabwe who are being murdered and driven off land they have farmed for over a hundred years in some cases purely because they are white Zimbabwean citizens not black citiizens yet what reaction do we get to that - next to nothing ......Like I said in my original post - do I condone prejudice based on skin colour No! - but that applies across the entire spectrum which includes prejudice against white people by black people as well as vice versa -that,unfortunately, is the point you seem to be missing.
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:stop shall we take Andy's point that words can indeed be very offensive and in return he'll stop being insulting :thumbup
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:stop shall we take Andy's point that words can indeed be very offensive and in return he'll stop being insulting :thumbup
Clarkson started it........ :lol
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:stop shall we take Andy's point that words can indeed be very offensive and in return he'll stop being insulting :thumbup
Clarkson started it........ :lol
It was Caretaker......get him!!! :b
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Time for me to wade in with my arrogant & ignorant & pathetic views.......apart for the PC brigade and the people who are actually abused who really gives a fuck.....not me as I'm just a sweaty sock watching my own country trying to get rid of English rule....is that racist too :eek
I do pity for what's going on in other countries but we all have our own fight to fight and kids to feed whether we are black, brown, yellow white or Scottish white (a kind lighter pale blue white).
Racism, sexism, bigotry, sectarianism, homophobia etc will always exist.....dealing with it is another matter.....but I don't give a fuck either way....live and let live and let die. :evil
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([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/stop.gif[/url]) shall we take Andy's point that words can indeed be very offensive and in return he'll stop being insulting ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/thumbup.gif[/url])
Glad you got the point!
Clarkson started it........ ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])
Perhaps I went a bit far, sorry. But surely I don't have to go through all the historical uses and associations of the word nigger again, do I?
VNA at no point did i say it was their own fault that they were sold into slavery - critique if you like but do it honestly, don't put words in my mouth that I didn't say because it suits you.
It's clearly what you were implying.
As to 'Chav' you make my point for me by your reply - it seems ok to use chav to denigrate an entire class of people because it's more acceptable to do that to white people than others who aren't white.
As I pointed out in my reply chav has absolutely nothing in terms of power and history as nigger does. So no I took your point apart I didn't make it. Go back to page 2 bud and read again.
Apparently it's acceptable to enslave by forcible mass kidnaps 1m+ white people by Berber raids across Europe and attacks on shipping as its a smaller number than those transported across the Atlantic - really???
Clearly not. Here I'll repeat myself for your sole benefit;
The difference is that you are taking of a 1/10th of those taken to the Americas. It does show that slavery does go across all races. But in general it has been discrimination aginst black people, particularly African blacks, often descendant of slaves that continued to be discriminated against until very recent years, and some would say continue to be discriminated against to this day. And you certainly get that impression on the fazer forum!
It was for example, not that long ago that the UK was supporting apartheid in South Africa. So no its not ancient history.
Oh try page 2 again. And lets hope at some point racial discrimination become history just like Berber piracy.
As to being discriminated against because of your colour that applies to white farmers in Zimbabwe who are being murdered and driven off land they have farmed for over a hundred years in some cases purely because they are white Zimbabwean citizens not black citiizens yet what reaction do we get to that - next to nothing
I mean talk about going off at a tangent, getting hold of the wrong end of a stick, trying to change the subject. Rhodesia was a British colony, blacks access to land has been restricted since the 1930's, blacks had few rights and no say in the running of the country, the incomers, the colonisers had of course took all the land. So no the anger directed against white farmers is not simply racial and only the extremely ignorant could suggest that it is so. And actually Zimbabwe is frequently in the news and the plight of white framers has been given, rightly, much coverage.
Like I said in my original post - do I condone prejudice based on skin colour No! - but that applies across the entire spectrum which includes prejudice against white people by black people as well as vice versa -that,unfortunately, is the point you seem to be missing.
Whilst I agree to some degree with your sentiment, I have to say that as a white male I have never felt threatened, uncomfortable in fear of my life or whatever becuase of the pale milky white nature of my skin, even when I've been the only white man in sight. I have been the butt of good humoured jokes in some such situations. However I am at a complete loss as what the point is that you wish to make.
not me as I'm just a sweaty sock watching my own country trying to get rid of English rule....is that racist too ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/shocked.gif[/url])
A sweaty sock? As you should know Sockish Independence is not racial it is inclusive, and is most certainly not about what colour of socks you wear or whether they are sweaty, smelly or whatever. All sockswill be equal in Sockland.
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mate, i dont know you, i definately dont understand you, and im not into people falling out on the internet, but dude, let it go! is there not a racist forum somewhere for you to vent your rage? this ones mostly about bikes after all, any other subjects are just padding. im not having a pop, just trying to get you to see it wouldnt hurt to put the brakes on a bit..
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mate, i dont know you, i definately dont understand you
Me? Don't worry I don't understand me either.
im not into people falling out on the internet, but dude, let it go! is there not a racist forum somewhere for you to vent your rage? this ones mostly about bikes after all, any other subjects are just padding. im not having a pop, just trying to get you to see it wouldnt hurt to put the brakes on a bit..
Well exactly, I'm here cos I'm into bikes amongst other things. I might be a political animal, I might even have been involved in anti-racist and anti-fascist campaigns, but I don't start political threads on foc-u and I certainly don't go about trying justify the use of language that discriminates, hurts and belittles others. And I certainly don't think that anybody should have to put up with being called, what the English dictionary defines as the most offensive word in the language, a nigger.
Is it possible to sum this up? False outrage over the un-broadcast rushes of a presenter whom likes to court controversy saying or trying not to say or mutter something that sounded like - nigger. Said presenter has a apologised unreservedly for the clip that was not broadcast but leaked and any offense that may have been caused by him not saying the word or sounding like he might have said said word in the footage that was not broadcast. End of (non) story.
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mate, i dont know you, i definately dont understand you, and im not into people falling out on the internet, but dude, let it go! is there not a racist forum somewhere for you to vent your rage? this ones mostly about bikes after all, any other subjects are just padding. im not having a pop, just trying to get you to see it wouldnt hurt to put the brakes on a bit..
.....+1...well said ogri48 ;) ...
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I work in a very multi culteral office and we were discussing this issue when the point that a BBC Radio Devon DJ played his version 1932 of the song "The Sun has got his hat on" and in the 2nd verse the N word was used and he was sacked, because a listener heard it & was offended.
the DJ didn't blank the word out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-27370996 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-27370996)
non of my colleagues were offended by the accidental slip because it was an accident! also we all said that as kids we learnt the nursery rhyme with that word in, with the exception of the chinese bloke!
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absolute pile of shite!
grew up with that and didnt do much harm. White folk making problems so their names gets in the press.
Some of the most racist folk are Pakistani. problem is mosst of us dont understand the language so are none the wiser!!!
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One thing I hate almost as much as racism is political correctness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUQsozpZUSw
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mate, i dont know you, i definately dont understand you
Me? Don't worry I don't understand me either.
im not into people falling out on the internet, but dude, let it go! is there not a racist forum somewhere for you to vent your rage? this ones mostly about bikes after all, any other subjects are just padding. im not having a pop, just trying to get you to see it wouldnt hurt to put the brakes on a bit..
Well exactly, I'm here cos I'm into bikes amongst other things. I might be a political animal, I might even have been involved in anti-racist and anti-fascist campaigns, but I don't start political threads on foc-u and I certainly don't go about trying justify the use of language that discriminates, hurts and belittles others. And I certainly don't think that anybody should have to put up with being called, what the English dictionary defines as the most offensive word in the language, a nigger.
Is it possible to sum this up? False outrage over the un-broadcast rushes of a presenter whom likes to court controversy saying or trying not to say or mutter something that sounded like - nigger. Said presenter has a apologised unreservedly for the clip that was not broadcast but leaked and any offense that may have been caused by him not saying the word or sounding like he might have said said word in the footage that was not broadcast. End of (non) story.
Into bikes lol. could do with spending more time riding the fecking thing than posting the shite you do on here. Gone again for a spell
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I do sincerely believe this topic clearly shows how hyped up the whole issue of so called racism is in this country. Can anyone actually say they are really discriminated against in a realistic way any more?...how can we compare slavery , torture, and such terrible treatment of people ( of all colours) back through history ...with a slip of the N word on a private video... ! Take a step back, the issue is preposterous.
And before VNA begins his dissection of what people are writing ...look at what they are saying instead.
My own proposition Is that a large number of indigenous UK white people now feel threatened and even discriminated against by all the racial slurs made against them..rather absurdly usually by white people , rather than the people who actually are claimed to be discriminated against .Hence the growing support for parties like *KIP.( better not write the full name cos it probably will upset someone.)
Plus, sort this one out....a polish friend of mine condemned the Bulgarians and Rumanians as thieves and vagabonds...and is most upset that they were able to come to the UK...is that racism ???....or is this OK because they are not UK white ethically??
IMO its now time in such a now multi cultural country we need to redefine just exactly what is racism...
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Die thread, die!
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I foccin hate blacks......... And reds.... And yellows....and silvers ... And gunmetals... But I hate blacks the most.... There so foccin slow ....
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I foccin hate blacks......... And reds.... And yellows....and silvers ... And gunmetals... But I hate blacks the most.... There so foccin slow ....
.....Black"..slow?...ya never seen a ethiopian eat his dinner???????????????? :rolleyes
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In the Daily Mail today it had a picture of some boy from One Direction smoking a joint and talking to another band member he talks about the joint and calls him Nig.
Down the pub the other night and some young white rapscallion walks in a says in his best Jamaican brogue "Waasssuuup Niga"
It seems to me that when most popular music has the N word and the F word as every other word then it ain't gonna belong before everyone starts speaking like that as the norm?
Mickey
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I foccin hate blacks......... And reds.... And yellows....and silvers ... And gunmetals... But I hate blacks the most.... There so foccin slow ....
.....Black"..slow?...ya never seen a ethiopian eat his dinner???????????????? :rolleyes
He's got a complex, Clive. He's in denial about how fast my 33bhp Fazer 6 was!! :lol :lol