BREXIT

[YamFazFan]

They voted for DonaldTrump in America, so it's not all against. Well it was against Clinton I grant you

Actually, Clinton won more votes than Trump. It was the peculiarities of their electoral college system that got Trump in. If they'd used the same system as our referendum, she'd be in 

Thank goodness for the peculiarities of life! :lol

[YamFazFan]

I'm by no means being flippant. I fear the worst.

Hoping for the worst if you don't get your Peoples Vote/Second Referendum and Brexit is enacted more like
:lol

[nick crisp]

I think we should have another referendum to decide if we want another referendum about having another referendum.

[mtread]

I'm sure there's a practical point to that argument. Damned if I can figure out what it is though 

It's a simple one. Despite the will of the people, shit happens  :rollin

[Millietant]

Not officially..

My company are a multi-national. I have seen the forecasted figures for next year (which take into account currency changes and economic contraction).

Also there is the consideration that my company manufacture all across Europe and sell all across Europe.. ANY tariffs or logistical delays will have a direct impact.

Plus all of my whole industry anticipates a reduction in spend. Conclusion next year will be harder than this year, yet profits must be maintained. Result company wide austerity. :-(

So, a multi national company that makes and sells all across Europe sees its whole industry predicting a reduction in spend and yet they only single out Brexit as the cause....more jumping on the bandwagon. I do feel sorry for you Brett, speaking as someone who was made redundant at 56 two years ago.


The only uncertainty about Brexit is that being peddled by the vocal minority (the constantly complaining Remain voters, as opposed to those Remain voters who have accepted the result of the real People's Vote that we had a while back) who are determined to undermine both the democratic wish of the majority of those who could actually get off their backsides and vote, and the success of our transition out of the EU. Having a united face in front of the EU would undoubtedly strengthen our chances of getting the best deal possible, everything else just strengthens our opponents negotiating position.


Those who didn't vote KNEW that this was to be their one and only chance to vote on Brexit. They CHOSE to abstain and I believe none of them felt forced NOT to vote.


So, what we have is the minority trying to undermine the democratically determined will of the people in a vote where their decision to partake placed upon them the responsibility to abide by and support the outcome, whether it was in their favour, or not.


The vocal minority crying out for a second vote are simply trying to undermine our basic democratic system, just because they wanted the ice cream and didn't get it.


Now can we get back to the original thread intention please and hopefully find some help for Bretty.


Oh crap .... too much JD.....I'm all confused about which thread I'm on now  :lol :lol :lol

[nick crisp]

Well said Millietant, and all in the right place except for the part about helping Bretty, who, nevertheless, I'm sure we all wish the best for.

[YamFazFan]

Those who didn't vote KNEW that this was to be their one and only chance to vote on Brexit. They CHOSE to abstain and I believe none of them felt forced NOT to vote.

There's a Remainer that regularly writes into my local paper and he always includes the portion of the electorate that didn't bother to vote in his remain figures :lol . The theory being that they also didn't vote for Leave.


By the same token they also didn't vote for Remain did they.


The fact of the matter is they couldn't be bothered to get off their arses to vote either way, so by definition they're happy to let those of us that did decide for them

[fazersharp]

[quote author=Bretty link=topic=24678.msg286319#msg286319 date=1541254899]
Not officially..

My company are a multi-national. I have seen the forecasted figures for next year (which take into account currency changes and economic contraction).

Also there is the consideration that my company manufacture all across Europe and sell all across Europe.. ANY tariffs or logistical delays will have a direct impact.

Plus all of my whole industry anticipates a reduction in spend. Conclusion next year will be harder than this year, yet profits must be maintained. Result company wide austerity. :-(

So, a multi national company that makes and sells all across Europe sees its whole industry predicting a reduction in spend and yet they only single out Brexit as the cause....more jumping on the bandwagon. I do feel sorry for you Brett, speaking as someone who was made redundant at 56 two years ago.


The only uncertainty about Brexit is that being peddled by the vocal minority (the constantly complaining Remain voters, as opposed to those Remain voters who have accepted the result of the real People's Vote that we had a while back) who are determined to undermine both the democratic wish of the majority of those who could actually get off their backsides and vote, and the success of our transition out of the EU. Having a united face in front of the EU would undoubtedly strengthen our chances of getting the best deal possible, everything else just strengthens our opponents negotiating position.


Those who didn't vote KNEW that this was to be their one and only chance to vote on Brexit. They CHOSE to abstain and I believe none of them felt forced NOT to vote.


So, what we have is the minority trying to undermine the democratically determined will of the people in a vote where their decision to partake placed upon them the responsibility to abide by and support the outcome, whether it was in their favour, or not.


The vocal minority crying out for a second vote are simply trying to undermine our basic democratic system, just because they wanted the ice cream and didn't get it.


Now can we get back to the original thread intention please and hopefully find some help for Bretty.


Oh crap .... too much JD.....I'm all confused about which thread I'm on now  :lol :lol :lol
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Despite the JD or helped by it-- either way brilliant, I am with you.

[mtread]

The only uncertainty about Brexit is that being peddled by the vocal minority

The only uncertainty about Brexit is that there is no certainty. Will somebody please tell me what they want  :'(

[Slaninar]

I think there's no need to worry about this. Propaganda will get the majority to vote in whichever way suits the big capital best - people are easily manipulated and media is a very powerful tool.

My impression is, in the long run, "ordinary/working class" will have less and less as years go by. Just gradually, so there are no riots.

Did the number of say school teacher monthly pays to buy a flat, or a car increase, or decrease from, say 1998, 2008?
What about the living costs - heating, bills, food - percentage of monthly pay to pay for it rises, or drops?

[YamFazFan]

The only uncertainty about Brexit is that there is no certainty. Will somebody please tell me what they want  :'(

I'll have a go ....I don't want the unelected Junckers and the other unelected commisioners proposing the legislation that eventually ends up becoming law in this country.

[mtread]

You want a don't want? Your Christmas list should be very useful  :rolleyes

[YamFazFan]

:lol . I'm only asking Santa for one present this year.....Brexit! :woot
OK, I want the UK to take back control of the process of proposing legislation which evenually becomes law from the unelected Junckers and the other unelected commisioners

[Bretty]

Don't talk about me. :-) I'm not after sympathy, just giving you my perspective on Brexit.


I was working for a big (french) multinational corporation when the original brexit vote happened. The 20% devaluation of the pound scrubbed £200mil off the value of the UK business overnight  :eek . In my team alone, they put 70 jobs at risk and reduced the team to 35, with further cuts to follow! I left.


Now I'm at a big american corporation. They look at the UK as their European headquarters, all senior management speak English and the company is the hub for free trade into and around Europe. Now Brexit means Britain is no longer considered a hub of Europe, they will be stripping the company with the intention of devaluing and selling it.
Hence the redundancies.


Anyway, that's just my personal perspective, which just happens to be negative. Perhaps some people can tell us how they have been positively affected and cheer us all (well me) up.  :b

[YamFazFan]

Don't talk about me. :-) I'm not after sympathy, just giving you my perspective on Brexit.


I was working for a big (french) multinational corporation when the original brexit vote happened. The 20% devaluation of the pound scrubbed £200mil off the value of the UK business overnight  :eek . [size=78%] In my team alone, they put 70 jobs at risk and reduced the team to 35, with further cuts to follow! I left.[/size]


Now I'm at a big american corporation. They look at the UK as their European headquarters, all senior management speak English and the company is the hub for free trade into and around Europe. Now Brexit means Britain is no longer considered a hub of Europe, they will be stripping the company with the intention of devaluing and selling it.
Hence the redundancies.


Anyway, that's just my personal perspective, which just happens to be negative. Perhaps some people can tell us how they have been positively affected and cheer us all (well me) up.  :b

Just out of interest, what's your job title/proffesion?.

[Bretty]

Technical Sales.

[YamFazFan]

Some employers have a much better working relationship with unions than others.
I think I'm right in saying, one of the other posters can confirm this I expect, that the company have to recognise the union but they're not obliged to negotiate with them. Obviously that would make resolving an issue more problematic.

I'm a long standing union member and they have an office within the premises and an excellent working relationship with the employer.

[mtread]

Compulsory recognition depends upon the proportion of the workforce that joins or wants to join

https://www.gov.uk/trade-union-recogniti...ecognition


As said, no employer has to negotiate at any time, and there are separate laws about official industrial action.

[YamFazFan]

Yes it's not straightforward is it. I didn't realise it was quite as complicated as that though :eek .
I think in general unions have/had a much stonger prescence in the manual/factory industrys where the workforce has had to fight so much harder to gain decent employment conditions and wages etc...

[nick crisp]

Perhaps some people can tell us how they have been positively affected and cheer us all (well me) up.  :b

It hasn't happened yet.
It's a big change, the effects likely won't be properly assessable for a quite a while, maybe years. I suspect we will lose out with some things, gain with others. But the point is, we will stand or fall on our own merits. And if we fall, it will likely be no more than we deserve, judging by the comments of many Remainers, who I suspect will behave like lemmings and off themselves over the cliff edge, rather than having any interest in striving to make their country work. I can't quite understand why VNA thinks that - what I've highlighted in bold - is ok for Scotland, but not for the UK as a whole.


But then, the Scottish Nationalists say they want to make their own decisions, but then turn about 180degrees and say they want to be in the EU, where they won't get to do that anyway. Besides which, nationalism is generally a dirty word lately isn't it? As far as most of the media is concerned anyway, and the Scots Nats. have adopted it as their mantra. A very confused bunch if you ask me, but hey-ho.