Parliamentary petitions - Printable Version

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Parliamentary petitions - BBROWN1664 - 27-10-19

I have always wondered about the effectiveness of these and have a few ideas of ones to start but feel that no matter how many people vote for them, the government will ignore them anyway. What do you think? Are the ones i have listed below worth a shot? Are there any you would create?

- All Government ministers, MPs, Lords etc must retire from government no later than their state retirement age. - This would put people like Corbyn out to pasture before they can kill the country

- All MP candidates must have their primary residence in the constituency where they want to stand for a minimum of 3 years BEFORE they are allowed to stand. - This would stop the parties parachuting people they dont want to lose into safe seats and ensure that he MPs have a reason to back their constituents views

- All MP candidates must pass an IQ test - This is to make sure they understand common sense and can add up etc - Gets rid of people like Dianne Abbot.

I am sure there will be many more like "compulsory retesting of drivers over the age of 70" etc.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - agricola - 27-10-19

The Barrack Room Lawyer will be along shortly I fear

Re: Parliamentary petitions - agricola - 27-10-19

I cant actually recall any petition leading to a successful Act being passed. There may be one/some, but none spring to mind.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - VNA - 27-10-19

Quote:- All Government ministers, MPs, Lords etc must retire from government no later than their state retirement age. - This would put people like Corbyn out to pasture before they can kill the country

Naw it’s against current law. That would be age discrimination. We are all allowed now to work for as long as we like. Though I’m working on my early retirement.

Quote:- All MP candidates must have their primary residence in the constituency where they want to stand for a minimum of 3 years BEFORE they are allowed to stand. - This would stop the parties parachuting people they dont want to lose into safe seats and ensure that he MPs have a reason to back their constituents views

Naw, that’s just silly. Local candidates usually have an advantage. Anyway, we are a democracy, nobody is forced to vote for anybody. But what we really need is some form of proportional representation.

Quote:All MP candidates must pass an IQ test - This is to make sure they understand common sense and can add up etc

Naw. Discriminatory rules would be undemocratic. Again, it is for the people to decide. And there should be no rules, no limits on who we can vote for. Remember Ms Abbot was elected, her constitutes don’t want rid of her.

Quote:I am sure there will be many more like "compulsory retesting of drivers over the age of 70" etc.

Something needs to be done here. Both my parents had dementia. A few thoughts;

I’m 51 and I don’t think I could pass my driving test or motorcycle test without a good few lessons and practise. We don’t need a driving test, what is needed is some sort of assessment to ensure an elderly individual is still safe or otherwise to drive.

And you have to remember people with dementia won’t necessarily remember they no longer have a license to drive. If there are keys and a car they’ll go.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - YamFazFan - 27-10-19

I propose a petition calling for a law making it illegal for people to walk into the doorways of shops and then just come to a complete halt in said doorway :wall .

Re: Parliamentary petitions - BBROWN1664 - 27-10-19

(27-10-19, 07:20 PM)YamFazFan link Wrote: I propose a petition calling for a law making it illegal for people to walk into the doorways of shops and then just come to a complete halt in said doorway :wall .

Or just come to a dead stop anywhere whilst walking without checking over their shoulder first :pokefun

Re: Parliamentary petitions - fazersharp - 27-10-19

Ive got one. It has to trigger a by-election if a politician leaves the party within which they gained their seat.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - VNA - 27-10-19

Quote:I have always wondered about the effectiveness of these and have a few ideas of ones to start but feel that no matter how many people vote for them, the government will ignore them anyway. What do you think?

Oh yeah, what do I think.
Generally speaking, a petition on it’s own is a waste of time.
It can be, however, a useful tool as part of a wider campaign.
Effecting change is not easy – but it can be done.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - mtread - 28-10-19

Quote: Ive got one. It has to trigger a by-election if a politician leaves the party within which they gained their seat.

So, no independent MPs or Local Councillors then?

Re: Parliamentary petitions - fazersharp - 28-10-19

(28-10-19, 12:33 AM)mtread link Wrote:
Quote: Ive got one. It has to trigger a by-election if a politician leaves the party within which they gained their seat.
So, no independent MPs or Local Councillors then?

:rolleyes . Of course not, they leave the party they were in when they got elected - triggering a by election -they stand as an independent - or the new party they jumped to.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - darrsi - 28-10-19

(27-10-19, 07:06 PM)VNA link Wrote:
Quote:- All Government ministers, MPs, Lords etc must retire from government no later than their state retirement age. - This would put people like Corbyn out to pasture before they can kill the country
Naw it’s against current law. That would be age discrimination. We are all allowed now to work for as long as we like. Though I’m working on my early retirement.

Quote:- All MP candidates must have their primary residence in the constituency where they want to stand for a minimum of 3 years BEFORE they are allowed to stand. - This would stop the parties parachuting people they dont want to lose into safe seats and ensure that he MPs have a reason to back their constituents views
Naw, that’s just silly. Local candidates usually have an advantage. Anyway, we are a democracy, nobody is forced to vote for anybody. But what we really need is some form of proportional representation.

Quote:All MP candidates must pass an IQ test - This is to make sure they understand common sense and can add up etc
Naw. Discriminatory rules would be undemocratic. Again, it is for the people to decide. And there should be no rules, no limits on who we can vote for. Remember Ms Abbot was elected, her constitutes don’t want rid of her.

Quote:I am sure there will be many more like "compulsory retesting of drivers over the age of 70" etc.
Something needs to be done here. Both my parents had dementia. A few thoughts;

I’m 51 and I don’t think I could pass my driving test or motorcycle test without a good few lessons and practise. We don’t need a driving test, what is needed is some sort of assessment to ensure an elderly individual is still safe or otherwise to drive.

And you have to remember people with dementia won’t necessarily remember they no longer have a license to drive. If there are keys and a car they’ll go.

“For the people to decide” you say?
Didn’t “the people” vote to leave Europe? :lol

Re: Parliamentary petitions - darrsi - 28-10-19

(27-10-19, 08:52 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=YamFazFan link=topic=25712.msg304010#msg304010 date=1572200410]
I propose a petition calling for a law making it illegal for people to walk into the doorways of shops and then just come to a complete halt in said doorway :wall .

Or just come to a dead stop anywhere whilst walking without checking over their shoulder first :pokefun
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When i used to work in London’s Oxford Street years ago, two of the most annoying things were people stopping dead in the street then looking upwards at the buildings, and also stopping to chat at the bottom of an escalator once they were safely off it. I saw a few pile ups with that one.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - BBROWN1664 - 28-10-19

(28-10-19, 12:50 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=mtread link=topic=25712.msg304030#msg304030 date=1572219184]

Quote: Ive got one. It has to trigger a by-election if a politician leaves the party within which they gained their seat.
So, no independent MPs or Local Councillors then?

:rolleyes . Of course not, they leave the party they were in when they got elected - triggering a by election -they stand as an independent - or the new party they jumped to.
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This is another one of my bug bears.
MP gets elected as a conservative. People have voted him in because of who he is and which party he represents. Sometime later he defects to labour. HE should immediately invoke a byelection as he was partially voted in because he represented conservative, not labour and therefore his position is no longer valid.

Re: Parliamentary petitions - agricola - 28-10-19

(28-10-19, 03:15 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=25712.msg304036#msg304036 date=1572263451]
[quote author=mtread link=topic=25712.msg304030#msg304030 date=1572219184]

Quote: Ive got one. It has to trigger a by-election if a politician leaves the party within which they gained their seat.
So, no independent MPs or Local Councillors then?

Re: Parliamentary petitions - agricola - 28-10-19

(28-10-19, 02:05 PM)darrsi link Wrote: [quote author=VNA link=topic=25712.msg304005#msg304005 date=1572199584]

Quote:- All Government ministers, MPs, Lords etc must retire from government no later than their state retirement age. - This would put people like Corbyn out to pasture before they can kill the country
Naw it’s against current law. That would be age discrimination. We are all allowed now to work for as long as we like. Though I’m working on my early retirement.

Quote:- All MP candidates must have their primary residence in the constituency where they want to stand for a minimum of 3 years BEFORE they are allowed to stand. - This would stop the parties parachuting people they dont want to lose into safe seats and ensure that he MPs have a reason to back their constituents views
Naw, that’s just silly. Local candidates usually have an advantage. Anyway, we are a democracy, nobody is forced to vote for anybody. But what we really need is some form of proportional representation.

Quote:All MP candidates must pass an IQ test - This is to make sure they understand common sense and can add up etc
Naw. Discriminatory rules would be undemocratic. Again, it is for the people to decide. And there should be no rules, no limits on who we can vote for. Remember Ms Abbot was elected, her constitutes don’t want rid of her.

Quote:I am sure there will be many more like "compulsory retesting of drivers over the age of 70" etc.
Something needs to be done here. Both my parents had dementia. A few thoughts;

I’m 51 and I don’t think I could pass my driving test or motorcycle test without a good few lessons and practise. We don’t need a driving test, what is needed is some sort of assessment to ensure an elderly individual is still safe or otherwise to drive.

And you have to remember people with dementia won’t necessarily remember they no longer have a license to drive. If there are keys and a car they’ll go.

“For the people to decide” you say?
Didn’t “the people” vote to leave Europe? :lol
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:lol

Re: Parliamentary petitions - mtread - 28-10-19

Quote: Of course not, they leave the party they were in when they got elected - triggering a by election -they stand as an independent - or the new party they jumped to.

Martin Bell didn't, and he unseated one of the worst Tory then UKIP criminals of the lot.
One of the biggest problems is MPs not behaving as individuals and just following the party whip. In my constituency you could put an idiot in a suit with a blue rosette and they would be voted in. O hang on, they have Smile