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How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 10-10-19
Harry Dunn, a 19 year old motorcyclist, died in August when his bike hit a car (that may have been driven by the wife of an American Diplomat) after it pulled out of an exit onto the wrong side of the road.
The Police wanted to question her and she said she wouldn't leave the country, but she then flew back to the USA and Trump has just said that the USA will not waive her Diplomatic Immunity and return her to the UK to be questioned and face possible trial
:2guns
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-49995867
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 11-10-19
No 'may' about it. Northamptonshire Police have video evidence.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - darrsi - 11-10-19
Don't think she just pulled out, i read she drove 400 metres (quarter of a mile) before contact. Her only defence is that it was a country road so was no doubt driving on it alone with no other traffic guidance (easily done to be honest), but accidental or not, either way the damage has been done and she should never have been allowed to leave the country, in my opinion.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 11-10-19
It is an easy mistake to make but with tragic consequences. My local hospital car park is on a two lane one way street but when you come back out there are no one way signs in front of you. Considering perhaps it could be peoples first visit under stressful circumstances then leaving after a few hours all you have to do is forget its a one way.
Its clear that she is not coming back.
By way of atonement the US gov could install in all American bases just inside or outside the gates, reminder signs to drive on the left and in the corner a little Union jack and the name Harry Dunn.
She may as well of stayed to face the law because all that would happen is the she would be done for dangerous driving fined £250 and banned from driving for 12 months.
What gets my goat is the the story has been hijacked by anti trumpests and care not for the biker.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 11-10-19
The other issue a lot of these "bases" have is they enchorage the staff to bring their cars over from the USA meaning not even the steering wheel being next to the hedge is a clue
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 10:30 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: The other issue a lot of these "bases" have is they enchorage the staff to bring their cars over from the USAWhy is that ?
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 10:37 AM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=25682.msg303346#msg303346 date=1570786243]Why is that ?
The other issue a lot of these "bases" have is they enchorage the staff to bring their cars over from the USA
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On base, they drive on the right with a lot of US spec vehicles
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 11:23 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=fazersharp link=topic=25682.msg303347#msg303347 date=1570786651]Why is that ?
[quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=25682.msg303346#msg303346 date=1570786243]
The other issue a lot of these "bases" have is they enchorage the staff to bring their cars over from the USA
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On base, they drive on the right with a lot of US spec vehicles
[/quote]I see. Then its no wonder that an American would come out of the base after driving on the right for a few days and then come out and carry on doing the same. What a stupid STUPID thing to do on a base --- that is just asking for trouble and im surprised it has not happened before . It would make far better sense to have to drive on the base on the left so at least they can get the hang of it off the roads.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 12:27 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: I see. Then its no wonder that an American would come out of the base after driving on the right for a few days and then come out and carry on doing the same. What a stupid STUPID thing to do on a base --- that is just asking for trouble and im surprised it has not happened before . It would make far better sense to have to drive on the base on the left so at least they can get the hang of it off the roads.
It probably has happened before, its just that when it happened before the person didn't claim diplomatic immunity and run away.
The Americans see the bases they use as part of the USA so do everything the same as they would at home even down to spending US dollars when on site.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Fazerider - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 12:27 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=25682.msg303348#msg303348 date=1570789403]Why is that ?
[quote author=fazersharp link=topic=25682.msg303347#msg303347 date=1570786651]
[quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=25682.msg303346#msg303346 date=1570786243]
The other issue a lot of these "bases" have is they enchorage the staff to bring their cars over from the USA
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On base, they drive on the right with a lot of US spec vehicles
[/quote]I see. Then its no wonder that an American would come out of the base after driving on the right for a few days and then come out and carry on doing the same. What a stupid STUPID thing to do on a base --- that is just asking for trouble and im surprised it has not happened before . It would make far better sense to have to drive on the base on the left so at least they can get the hang of it off the roads.
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They do… at least, to judge by the road markings visible on Google Earth. They even have roundabouts.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - chris.biker - 11-10-19
I think she should have stayed and faced up to her mistake in court, I have been surprised by the lack of this story on motorcycling forums.
On a sensible health and safety note I think it is probably time we started driving on the right hand side so we are in tune with the majority of the world.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - BBROWN1664 - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 05:19 PM)chris.biker link Wrote: On a sensible health and safety note I think it is probably time we started driving on the right hand side so we are in tune with the majority of the world.
Sweden switched in 1967 when they had a population of around 8m people spread over 447,000km2 . At that time they didn't really have much traffic and very few OAPs that would be easily confused. I don't think they would be able to do it today even though they still only have about 10m people there, many more are much older and easily confused.
The UK is about half the size of Sweden at 224,000km2 but we have 66m people living here so there is a lot more traffic per mile than Sweden will ever see.
We would see a lot more stories about people on the wrong side of the road, made even worse as people have their steering wheels on the wrong side until they buy new cars. Imagine the carnage as boy/girl racers pull out from behind a truck to overtake but hadn't seen the truck coming the other way.... Its a risk we take when we drive abroad, but we are on holiday and generally not running late for work etc so less likely to take that risk.
Then theres all the car/van/bike headlights that "kick-up" to the left that would need stickers, or new headlights, to avoid dazzling people coming the other way. The road signs that would all need to be moved/replaced to show the new junction layouts etc. It would cost more than Brexshit and cause more deaths too.
Make the rest of the world adopt the correct side of the road instead :pokefun
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 06:14 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [quote author=chris.biker link=topic=25682.msg303360#msg303360 date=1570810797]
On a sensible health and safety note I think it is probably time we started driving on the right hand side so we are in tune with the majority of the world.
Sweden switched in 1967 when they had a population of around 8m people spread over 447,000km2 . At that time they didn't really have much traffic and very few OAPs that would be easily confused. I don't think they would be able to do it today even though they still only have about 10m people there, many more are much older and easily confused.
The UK is about half the size of Sweden at 224,000km2 but we have 66m people living here so there is a lot more traffic per mile than Sweden will ever see.
We would see a lot more stories about people on the wrong side of the road, made even worse as people have their steering wheels on the wrong side until they buy new cars. Imagine the carnage as boy/girl racers pull out from behind a truck to overtake but hadn't seen the truck coming the other way.... Its a risk we take when we drive abroad, but we are on holiday and generally not running late for work etc so less likely to take that risk.
Then theres all the car/van/bike headlights that "kick-up" to the left that would need stickers, or new headlights, to avoid dazzling people coming the other way. The road signs that would all need to be moved/replaced to show the new junction layouts etc. It would cost more than Brexshit and cause more deaths too.
Make the rest of the world adopt the correct side of the road instead :pokefun
[/quote]Also the very structure of roundabouts will need to be altered as the entry and exits are biased to a clockwise flow (I think ).
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 11-10-19
It’s not murder, but yeah it’s shocking that this woman has fled the country and is hiding under the cover of diplomatic immunity. This is not what diplomatic immunity is for.
I do feel for the young man’s family. It’s an extraordinarily distressing situation for the family never mind that ‘suspect’ is abusing such a privilege in order to stop due process.
Quote:What gets my goat is the the story has been hijacked by anti trumpests and care not for the biker.
Our Prime Minister has appealed to the President on this very matter. The President couldn’t give a shit.
And really what do you expect? It’s within the same week Trump has given carte blanche for Turkey to slaughter more Kurds. Trump is a disgusting narcissistic sick weasel of a man.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 11-10-19
Quote:On a sensible health and safety note I think it is probably time we started driving on the right hand side so we are in tune with the majority of the world.
Quote:Make the rest of the world adopt the correct side of the road instead
The left is the logical side of the road to drive on. Not that it makes much difference. Yes we should have followed Sweden after 1967. But, you know rule Britannia, middle England and all that – just look at the ****** mess. England is an emotional country, it does not always follow simple logic.
But I agree with BBROWN, I think, unless some suitably qualified experts (I still pay attention to them despite some having had enough of them) can tell us otherwise, it’s probably too late to switch.
On the other hand, technology may eventually help reduce these tragic accidents.
Meanwhile I hear Ireland plans to switch to the right. To keep costs down they are going to phase it in a street at a time.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 11-10-19
Harry Dunn’s family to travel to US to seek justice for their son
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/11/harry-dunn-family-flying-us-seek-justice-son-diplomats-wife
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - fazersharp - 11-10-19
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Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - Grahamm - 11-10-19
(11-10-19, 09:03 AM)darrsi link Wrote: she should never have been allowed to leave the country, in my opinion.
She (and her family) flew out on a private flight from a US Air Base...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/08/harry-dunn-death-private-flight-us-airbase-spirited-wife-american/
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - mtread - 11-10-19
(From what I've read) She'd only been over here 3 weeks. She had just pulled out of the base entrance and drove 400 yards before the collision. It's not murder. Manslaughter possibly, and certainly 'causing death by dangerous driving'.
I also read that in the US they do not recognise diplomatic immunity where a foreign diplomat is involved in a serious traffic offence. Double standards.
I'm also surprised there hasn't been much biker reaction. A fellow biker and his family destroyed.
Re: How to get away with murder: Be an American Diplomat's wife... - VNA - 11-10-19
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