Pushing your bike. - Printable Version

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Pushing your bike. - dangerousdave - 18-09-17

Quick question.

Do you need to wear or at least have a helmet with you when pushing your bike on the road?

Dave...

Re: Pushing your bike. - locksmith - 18-09-17

Interesting question, no idea what the law is but no doubt there will be conflicting answers Smile

Re: Pushing your bike. - andybesy - 18-09-17

I'd strap one to the bike. I don't know what the law says but judgement suggests if you end up discussing it with some authority it couldn't hurt.

I really wouldn't try and push it wearing one for any distance, I'd be hot and out of breath.

Andy

Re: Pushing your bike. - tommyardin - 18-09-17

Not sure if its true but I was told that a bike (Motorcycle) has to have insurance to be pushed along a public highway and that it is illegal to push a motorcycle along a foot path.
But then I have heard guys say you can ride a motorcycle in a bus lane and other say you can not.
Anyway I always have found riding it is so much more fun and quicker than pushing it. :lol

Re: Pushing your bike. - Robbie8666 - 18-09-17

lots of articles on google about pushing but nothing about a helmet!

eg:
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/ride-uk/20170111/281762743940863

Re: Pushing your bike. - andybesy - 18-09-17

Yes it does need to be road legal in all respects, and shouldn't be on the pavement, although I'd make a judgement on that one as I went, keeping safety in mind.

You might end up having a chat with someone but so long as it's all legit and you're not causing a problem I would expect them to be reasonable? Most likely just interested in checking it's not stolenn

Depends on your route I guess, not down big or busy roads I'd suggest!
Andy

Re: Pushing your bike. - BBROWN1664 - 18-09-17

If the bike has broken down then it is no longer a motor vehicle with regard moving it.
No helmet and no licence needed either.

Re: Pushing your bike. - Frosties - 18-09-17

Was riding in London a couple of years ago and took a short cut I hadn't used for a while - turned out they'd blocked the exit. By chance plod was walking by and just asked if I was ok. I explained I used to get to the road on the other side of the now pavement years ago.

Plod told me if I got off, turned off the bike and pushed it across the pavement back onto the road the other side then I was legal. Did exactly that as he watched, said thanks and was on my way so I'd say yes you can push a bike along a pavement if it's not running. Maybe stick a lid on one of the mirrors as a safety net.

Re: Pushing your bike. - Grahamm - 18-09-17

Quote: The Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1998

Protective headgear

4.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), every person driving or riding (otherwise than in a side-car) on a motor bicycle when on a road shall wear protective headgear.

(2) Nothing in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person driving or riding on a motor bicycle if—

(a)it is a mowing machine; or

(b)it is for the time being propelled by a person on foot.

So if you're pushing it, no, you don't need to wear a helmet.

Re: Pushing your bike. - BBROWN1664 - 18-09-17

(18-09-17, 05:22 PM)Grahamm link Wrote:
Quote: The Motor Cycles (Protective Helmets) Regulations 1998

Protective headgear

4.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2), every person driving or riding (otherwise than in a side-car) on a motor bicycle when on a road shall wear protective headgear.

(2) Nothing in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person driving or riding on a motor bicycle if—

(a)it is a mowing machine; or

(b)it is for the time being propelled by a person on foot.

So if you're pushing it, no, you don't need to wear a helmet.

Just like you don't need to be wearing your seatbelt if your pushing the car and steering it with your arm through the window :pokefun

Re: Pushing your bike. - VNA - 18-09-17

How far do you intend to push it? If it’s any distance it’ll foccing kill you.

Back in 1999 I took the ferry to Skye on my brand new FZS600. I spent some time on Skye then off tae Harris Lewis and ended up on Berneray fae a week.

So eventually I had tae head hame and get back tae work. I had to get down the road as quickly and cheaply as possible. That meant taking the new and controversial Skye bridge. At the time, the private company that built the bridge charged a toll, and they were set to make a pretty penny out of that bridge. There was a long campaign to scrap the charges, many demos and actions. VNA being VNA had decided, that I would use the bridge and I would show solidarity with the good people of Skye. My theory was, and the case I would put forward, is that I walked my bike across the bridge and that therefore there was no charge due.

So, as I remember it, I arrived at the roundabout for the bridge. Took a left for the bridge, as I headed towards the bridge I cut the engine and coasted down the approach to the bridge. I eventually ground to a halt. As I suspected pushing the bike up the bridge loaded with luggage was neigh on impossible. I fired the engine up, put it in first gear and walked the bike to the top of the bridge slipping the clutch. Got to the top, jumped on and coasted towards the tolls. I may have been a hundred yards or so short of the tolls when the bike rolled to a hault, and then I pushed (no engine) over onto the cycle path, past the toll booth (a friendly wave to the bemused toll staff) past the booths, then fired the bike up and rode off.

What I will say, it was a nice sunny summers day, and even walking the bike with the engine running was foccing hard work. I was seriously focced with the effort. I stopped at the petrol station in Kyle of Lochalsh and downed three cans of IRN BRU one after the other.

I waited patiently for my fine in anticipation of my planned defiant continued refusal to pay. No charge or fine ever dropped through my door.

Did I have my helmet on as I walked and pushed – are you joking? No I did not!

Re: Pushing your bike. - Waterhouse - 18-09-17

Once a few years ago when I had an aprilia rs 125. I got pulled over for speeding. Got sat in the back of there car. Good cop was saying that they wouldn't take any further action for speeding as they wasn't recording and was heading back to station. Bad cop turned out to be a trainee vehicle inspector and actually sat on the kerb at about 11pm with a folder a ruler and a torch. Measuring this that and whatever else.

Anyway long story short he gave me a prohibition notice for having a faulty front brake. ( him saying that the fluid level was below minimum although he checked it while leaning over on the side stand and not with the bike upright. ) anyway the prohibition notice didn't allow me to even ride my bike home. Only about 1 mile but up hill. So I had to push. He said I had to keep my helmet on as I had to push it on The road not the path.

They even bloody waited till I got half way up the hill to make sure I didn't jump on Or even start it up and walk at side in 1st gear.

They said that if I got bike sorted and re mot. And produced at station within 1 week that everything be fine. ( which I did )

Anyway 8 months later court summons thru post. 3 points £80 odd fine. Jobsworth.

Anyway sorry for blabbering on but pisses me off. But that's what I was made to do. Weather it's law or not I don't know probably him just being pissed of they couldn't get me for speeding.

Re: Pushing your bike. - Grayo - 18-09-17

(18-09-17, 03:31 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: But then I have heard guys say you can ride a motorcycle in a bus lane and other say you can not.

You can only ride in certain bus lanes, not all of them. The bus lane has to have a sign indicating that motorcycles are allowed otherwise expect to receive a nip.

Re: Pushing your bike. - darrsi - 18-09-17

(18-09-17, 06:22 PM)Waterhouse link Wrote: Once a few years ago when I had an aprilia rs 125. I got pulled over for speeding. Got sat in the back of there car. Good cop was saying that they wouldn't take any further action for speeding as they wasn't recording and was heading back to station. Bad cop turned out to be a trainee vehicle inspector and actually sat on the kerb at about 11pm with a folder a ruler and a torch. Measuring this that and whatever else.

Anyway long story short he gave me a prohibition notice for having a faulty front brake. ( him saying that the fluid level was below minimum although he checked it while leaning over on the side stand and not with the bike upright. ) anyway the prohibition notice didn't allow me to even ride my bike home. Only about 1 mile but up hill. So I had to push. He said I had to keep my helmet on as I had to push it on The road not the path.

They even bloody waited till I got half way up the hill to make sure I didn't jump on Or even start it up and walk at side in 1st gear.

They said that if I got bike sorted and re mot. And produced at station within 1 week that everything be fine. ( which I did )

Anyway 8 months later court summons thru post. 3 points £80 odd fine. Jobsworth.

Anyway sorry for blabbering on but pisses me off. But that's what I was made to do. Weather it's law or not I don't know probably him just being pissed of they couldn't get me for speeding.

That just sounds like some vindictive prick, tantamount to bullying.

Re: Pushing your bike. - tommyardin - 18-09-17

(18-09-17, 03:52 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: [size=1em]
If the bike has broken down then it is no longer a motor vehicle with regard moving it.
No helmet and no licence needed either.
[/size]

[size=1em]Not sure on that one BB [/size]
[size=1em]You get caught with your car in a car park with the keys in your pocket and your pissed you will still be done for being under in influence in charge on a motor vehicle. If you have the keys you are in charge of the car, it is the same offence as driving whilst pissed. The assumption is that you would drive the car because you have the keys. People when they are pissed out of their brains think they are fine to drive and do.[/size]

[size=1em] Anyway that is my understanding, Happy to be corrected.[/size]

[size=1em]Just found this police website[/size]
[size=1em]https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q678.htm[/size]

I would imagine you are still in charge of a motor cycle if you have the keys with you. if it is on the road it has to be taxed and insured with a current MOT, same as have a vehicle parked outside you house on the road must be legal.

Re: Pushing your bike. - midden - 19-09-17

All the times I've pushed a motorbike any cops who stopped never mentioned my not wearing helmet, including the time I was pushing it on the hard shoulder

Re: Pushing your bike. - Fazerider - 19-09-17

I remember my GPz305 breaking down on the M3 one night many years ago.
Initially I thought I’d run out of fuel so as it was only half a mile to my usual exit I pushed it.
Foc me that was hard work! :eek
The helmet had to stay on as there was nowhere secure to put it and I was saturated with sweat within 100 yards. I thought I was going to have a heart attack by the time I’d got it all the way up the off-ramp.
Once off the motorway I investigated and found the real problem was total lack of sparks… pushed it another 1/4 mile to the Crown and Cushion, parked up and got a taxi the rest of the way home.
Next morning I dismantled it and shipped it home it in the back of my Fiat 127. :lol

Anyway, hats off to Zarko at San Marino, that was a hard earned point!

Re: Pushing your bike. - slappy - 19-09-17

(19-09-17, 09:24 AM)Fazerider link Wrote: Foc me that was hard work! :eek

I bet Zarko was thinking exactly the same!

Re: Pushing your bike. - midden - 19-09-17

(18-09-17, 06:49 PM)tommyardin link Wrote: [quote author=BBROWN1664 link=topic=23281.msg268318#msg268318 date=1505746361][size=1em]
If the bike has broken down then it is no longer a motor vehicle with regard moving it.
No helmet and no licence needed either.
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Re: Pushing your bike. - BBROWN1664 - 19-09-17

(19-09-17, 11:28 AM)midden link Wrote: I'd argue about it needing mot and insurance to be pushed along the road. especially as a non runner.
Pushing Superdream400 for a few+ miles fully kitted in waterproofs results in weight loss and an appreciation of petrol station conveniences. Helmet or no helmet

When I was 14/15 I used to push my bike through the village (when I knew the local beat bobby was about) with the spark plug cap removed. As a disabled motor vehicle, I didn't need a licence, helmet or insurance (plods words not mine).
Out of fuel or broken down means it wont start too so same rule applies.