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Gear Change - old son - 06-05-16
I am having a real problem changing gear on my 04 Gen 1.
Changing up is OK but it get progressively worse when I change down the lower I go. Getting into 1st from 2nd is really hard. Sometimes it moves from 2nd to 1st and 1st to 2nd when I am wanting neutral. It also seems to get worse when the bike is warmed up.
The bike has done 90k miles, it is well looked after, just had an oil change, carb tune and chain adjustment. The bike is still on its original clutch.
Any suggestions?
Re: Gear Change - PieEater - 06-05-16
Have you tried greasing up the rose joints on the gear change linkage?
Re: Gear Change - tex - 06-05-16
Also check chain ajustment is in speck
Re: Gear Change - PieEater - 06-05-16
(06-05-16, 12:48 PM)tex link Wrote: Also check chain ajustment is in speck
Been covered
(06-05-16, 07:42 AM)old son link Wrote: just had an oil change, carb tune and chain adjustment.
Re: Gear Change - Fazerjon - 06-05-16
Have you checked the clutch adjustment, does the bike drag when you select 1st gear? I had similar problems to yours with a Tiger 800 and I adjusted the clutch and the problem went away.
Re: Gear Change - tex - 06-05-16
(06-05-16, 01:32 PM)PieEater link Wrote: [quote author=tex link=topic=20032.msg231380#msg231380 date=1462535335]
Also check chain ajustment is in speck
Been covered
(06-05-16, 07:42 AM)old son link Wrote: just had an oil change, carb tune and chain adjustment.[/quote]
Yes but is it the correct spec, it runs a slacker chain than most, just a thought
Re: Gear Change - old son - 06-05-16
Thanks. The chain is in spec and the rose joints are greased. I have adjusted clutch to give 5mm free play at the end of the lever.
Does the box have selectors? Could that be the problem? Could knackered clutch springs cause this problem? It's the not being able to find neutral when it's warmed up that is most strange. The gear change is definitely more notchy than I remember.
I do sometimes get a heavy clunk when I put it into first.
Re: Gear Change - robbo - 06-05-16
I only got my Gen1 05 in February, my first Yamaha, and was quite concerned about the audible clunk when selecting first especially compared to my old Fireblade or Speed Triple, and was advised to run the chain a little slacker than what it recommended, which has improved the situation in my case.
Re: Gear Change - Kenyun - 06-05-16
My Gen1 Fazer has the exact same problem, it was improved by raising the tickover to 1150 RPM and making sure clutch lever free play was minimal.It is still a pain to find neutral at times when hot in stop/start traffic compared to how it was when newer.The bike has done 145000 miles and has the original clutch which has never been disturbed or checked for plate tang wear or basket grooving,one day I will get round to doing it, the plates are cheapish but I doubt the baskets are, if that is the cause of course.Ive had the bike from new and this is the only gripe really.
A common problem with high mileages perhaps,how many others are affected?
Re: Gear Change - blackcabbie - 07-05-16
Try a oil change. Sticky clutch plates can cause this
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Re: Gear Change - old son - 07-05-16
Oil is changed every 5000 miles. It was replaced with filter around 2000 miles ago.
Could clutch and basket be the cause?
Re: Gear Change - PieEater - 07-05-16
(07-05-16, 08:36 AM)old son link Wrote: Could clutch and basket be the cause?Not too difficult to check have a look at b1kerdudes instructions http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,18159.msg209304.html#msg209304
Re: Gear Change - unfazed - 07-05-16
Sounds like the plug at the end of the main shaft on which the clutch rotates has fallen out. Take off the clutch cover and check it. It is a small cap which usually falls down into the clutch basket. Just tap it back in a few mm in to the shaft. This caps stops the oil coming out the end of the shaft and directs it through the clutch keeping oil on the plates. When the cap pops the plates are too dry are are inclined to stick causing a problem similar to yours. Very common on the earlier R1
Re: Gear Change - Fazerjon - 07-05-16
(07-05-16, 03:46 PM)unfazed link Wrote: Sounds like the plug at the end of the main shaft on which the clutch rotates has fallen out. Take off the clutch cover and check it. It is a small cap which usually falls down into the clutch basket. Just tap it back in a few mm in to the shaft. This caps stops the oil coming out the end of the shaft and directs it through the clutch keeping oil on the plates. When the cap pops the plates are too dry are are inclined to stick causing a problem similar to yours. Very common on the earlier R1
Handy to know
Re: Gear Change - old son - 07-05-16
(07-05-16, 03:46 PM)unfazed link Wrote: Sounds like the plug at the end of the main shaft on which the clutch rotates has fallen out. Take off the clutch cover and check it. It is a small cap which usually falls down into the clutch basket. Just tap it back in a few mm in to the shaft. This caps stops the oil coming out the end of the shaft and directs it through the clutch keeping oil on the plates. When the cap pops the plates are too dry are are inclined to stick causing a problem similar to yours. Very common on the earlier R1
Thanks for the tip. I'll have a look in the week. Maybe I should buy a gasket before I do it in case the gasket tears when I remove the cover.
Does the basket needs to be removed to retrieve the cap?
Re: Gear Change - unfazed - 07-05-16
Are far as I can remember yes. It has been a few years since I did the last R1. The most common problem it shows is extremely difficulty in finding neutral, with it sometimes acting like severe clutch drag effecting the down change.
A gasket is a good idea as any I took apart broke :'(
Re: Gear Change - old son - 14-05-16
OK, took off cover and nothing apparent wrong. I removed cable and replaced, greased every joint, every nipple and every pin.
Gear change a little better than it was but still not fantastic. At least it is live withable now!!
Thanks to everybody who responded.