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Bikesafe - Cellarman - 20-01-16
Just booked a bikesafe training day in March, anyone on here done one, just wondering what to expect
Cheers Tim
Re: Bikesafe - Arfa - 20-01-16
Yeah, couple of years ago. Was a good day overall, bit of class room batter first, then out on road, bit of rural, bit of urban. Copper follows you and then gives you a bunch of decent feedback. They'll take you out for lunch for bit of chin wag and hand out a goodie bag too. Go with open mind, and you'll get a lot out of it.
Re: Bikesafe - mtread - 20-01-16
They point out it's not a 'training session', it's an observation and comments session. They do recommend you follow it up with ROSPA or IAM formal training. The cops are all good fun. Volunteers, and you'll be surprised what they can do with a Beemer
Re: Bikesafe - BBROWN1664 - 21-01-16
:agree
It is off putting at first when you are "making progress" and have a fully marked up plod bike in your mirror but it is a great day out.
If they have unmarked bikes you will see a lot more of their abilities. They don't do it on the marked bikes though as the general public see things like "off-siding" as dangerous, even though it is actually safer, so start calling up the police stations to report dangerous police bikers.
Re: Bikesafe - locksmith - 21-01-16
I always remember the copper asking me if I always ride that slow. :lol
Re: Bikesafe - fazersharp - 21-01-16
Do they still do it if its raining !. If it starts raining can I go home.
Re: Bikesafe - DILLIGAFF - 21-01-16
Well worth it :thumbup
Re: Bikesafe - celticdog - 21-01-16
(21-01-16, 09:22 AM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: :agree
It is off putting at first when you are "making progress" and have a fully marked up plod bike in your mirror but it is a great day out.
If they have unmarked bikes you will see a lot more of their abilities. They don't do it on the marked bikes though as the general public see things like "off-siding" as dangerous, even though it is actually safer, so start calling up the police stations to report dangerous police bikers.
I had to check what off-siding was! Your right it does look safer, at least the Cagers can see you coming- better than being side swiped!
http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/aa-advice-the-offsider-rule.html
Re: Bikesafe - BBROWN1664 - 21-01-16
No - That's not it.
off-siding is sitting in the gutter on the right had side of the road for a left hand bend (assuming no solid white lines) so you can see further round the bend. Most people think this is dangerous until you actually get out into that gutter and realise how much further round the bend you can see. It is especially useful if there is a queue of cars on your side of the road and nothing coming the other way :pokefun
Re: Bikesafe - fazersharp - 21-01-16
(21-01-16, 02:09 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: off-siding is sitting in the gutter on the right had side of the road for a left hand bend (assuming no solid white lines) so you can see further round the bend.Well that's another one I have always done and never knew it was "a thing" with a name, just like counterstearing.
Maybe not as far as the gutter, that's asking for a nail or some other crap in the tyre. And you cannot do it on all bends either, I also sort of peer around the corner with my head.
Re: Bikesafe - maddog04 - 21-01-16
:'( you'd think the AA would know better, if a high end motoring organisation cannot get it right then God help us.....
as for the Bike safe course.......get on it and enjoy, you will learn from some of the best riders about and when you've completed it, get on a RoSPA course
Re: Bikesafe - Grahamm - 21-01-16
(21-01-16, 02:09 PM)BBROWN1664 link Wrote: off-siding is sitting in the gutter on the right had side of the road for a left hand bend (assuming no solid white lines) so you can see further round the bend.
I wouldn't advise going as far as the gutter, but it is perfectly legal to cross the centre line into the opposite carriageway on a left-hander for a better view *provided* you can do it without causing an on-coming vehicle to have to alter their speed or direction and especially that you can do it without compromising your own safety.
Re: Bikesafe - Exupnut - 21-01-16
Agreed.....and obviously the line u cross has to be broken.
Re: Bikesafe - BBROWN1664 - 21-01-16
:pokefun
When I said in the gutter, I didn't mean it literally. Should have guessed with this site though :rollin
What I meant was as far out to the right hand side of the road as possible, without being silly, rather than just across the line or worse still, staying on the left of the line.
Re: Bikesafe - Robbie8666 - 21-01-16
was gonna say the type of off-siding the AA write about is very ileagal!! I got done for that 2 hours after buying my 1st ever Yamaha! it was a 75cc step thru like a Honda cub lol!!
Re: Bikesafe - Val - 22-01-16
Expect tea and biscuits
Seriously I've done it last year and there was free lunch too.
Morning ride was out of town, afternoon in London.
It was fun, you meet different people. You ride two riders and one cop. The cop was always last. The riders change lead place after signal from the cop from time to time. They put me together with a block on a Ducati Scrambler.
The out of the town ride was on my regular ride outs country lanes where I know all the bends. The Ducati was struggling to keep up with us when I was the lead rider :lol
I was trying to calm down and do my calm London filtering. The cop has asked me at the end why the rush and that I need to calm down, seriously? :'(
It was really fun in London all the cars were slowing down as soon they see the cop bike and giving you nice place for filtering.
They give you rating at the end of the day. A is the safest rider ever seen. B is good. C is acceptable. D is you will potato yourself any minute now.
I've got C so all the other guys...a lot of lessons learnt I am still analysing it. The major one I suppose is ride slow
Re: Bikesafe - maddog04 - 22-01-16
Val......maybe he thought you were riding fast in areas that could be rode a bit slower and safer and then you could ride faster in other areas?
when I started advanced riding, I was told similar to you by one instructor and I had come to realise he was right when I thought about it......because I was doing advanced, I thought that I had to prove myself and always be seen to be making good progress (going fast, I was doing corners and bends this particular week and tbh, I was riding out of my comfort zone)
most Police riders know the lines to take (bit like top end racers) and a lot of time is made up here when using the system .....IPSGA....smoothness/safety is key
take on board the advice they gave you and go and practice then do an advanced course to consolidate and learn further
Re: Bikesafe - Cellarman - 23-01-16
Thanks for the reply's, really looking forward to this & learning some new skills
Re: Bikesafe - hotmetal - 23-01-16
It's a worthwhile exercise and a good day out. As others have said, they won't really teach you new skills as such, but they will observe you and tell you what you need to pay attention to in order to ride better. They will also give you loads of tips and answer any relevant questions you may have. When I did it the other rider was a Dennis Waterman lookalike (out of Minder) on a Zx9r. He was riding like a nun cos he couldn't get the idea out of his head that the cops were watching. When it was my turn he said 'I hope you're going to turn it up a bit - I'm getting bored doing 40 in an NSL". Oh and he stopped to bollock some ho in a car on her phone which made me laugh. Good lunch at Ace café as well. To actually address the points he told me to work on, I joined the IAM.
Re: Bikesafe - Cellarman - 18-03-16
Tomorrow is the day, wish me luck