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Headlights Opposites - Alexander - 11-08-15
Wondered if anyone had a quick fix for this problem.
My headlights appear to have been wired back in the wrong way round.
So that I can have high beam (only) or main and high beam on together.
Is it simply a connector the wrong way round?
Im awaiting my haynes manual so I can review the wiring diagram but in the meantime if anyone had a bright idea.
thanks
Re: Headlights Opposites - Paulfzs - 11-08-15
you mean..
you can have just the left bulb lit up
then switch to main beam and they both come on?
if so this is how theyre supposed to be.
there is a mod to make them both be on all the time.
Re: Headlights Opposites - Alexander - 11-08-15
both headlights are on whether I have side lights, main beam or high beam on.
Problem is I can't have just main beam on and therefore not blind every car coming the other way.
Re: Headlights Opposites - limax2 - 11-08-15
From your profile picture and year of bike I guess you have a fox eye model, in which case both lights should be on. I.e. Both dip beams or both high beam. But obviously not all four elements together as you seem to be describing. The two small pilot lights should also be on irrespective of high or low beam I think.
The Haynes manual may not be of much use as it only covers Up to year 2001 (box eye) as far as I know. The update in the download section on this site is probably what you need. The relay set-up to control the headlamps is very different between the two models. On the fox eye a on-off relay controls power to a second relay which directs power to high or low beam. Sounds to me that the dip is operating but somehow you still have feed to the high beam. Maybe a short across the connections on that second relay or somewhere in the wiring.
Has it worked o.k. In the past or is the bike new to you and maybe a separate feed for high beam has been cobbled up because of a faulty relay?
Re: Headlights Opposites - unfazed - 11-08-15
(11-08-15, 12:19 PM)Alexander link Wrote: Wondered if anyone had a quick fix for this problem.
"My headlights appear to have been wired back in the wrong way round.
So that I can have high beam (only) or main and high beam on together.
Is it simply a connector the wrong way round?
Im awaiting my haynes manual so I can review the wiring diagram but in the meantime if anyone had a bright idea.
thanks
Would/could you explain "My headlights appear to have been wired back in the wrong way round"
Were they replaced or what?
Is it a Foxeye or a boxeye. Some boxeyes were registered in 2002/2003.
Re: Headlights Opposites - Paulfzs - 11-08-15
im with unfazed.. i cannot make head nor toe of that.
Re: Headlights Opposites - limax2 - 11-08-15
(11-08-15, 06:48 PM)Paulfzs link Wrote: im with unfazed.. i cannot make head nor toe of that.What's not to understand? He has a 2002-03 yellow foxeye which he bought of someone on here in April. Lives in Camberly and calls the dip beam the main beam!
Re: Headlights Opposites - Paulfzs - 11-08-15
weird i understand now
the plug in the black box has been wired in wrong.
Re: Headlights Opposites - unfazed - 11-08-15
(11-08-15, 07:23 PM)limax2 link Wrote: [quote author=Paulfzs link=topic=17914.msg206887#msg206887 date=1439315302]What's not to understand? He has a 2002-03 yellow foxeye which he bought of someone on here in April. Lives in Camberly and calls the dip beam the main beam!
im with unfazed.. i cannot make head nor toe of that.
[/quote]
I must bow to you apparent superior knowledge of the situation :eek and ask you the question again :groan
Would/could you explain this"My headlights appear to have been wired back in the wrong way round" :rolleyes
Re: Headlights Opposites - limax2 - 11-08-15
:rollin :rollin :rollin
Over to you Alexander.
Re: Headlights Opposites - Alexander - 12-08-15
Sorry guys new to all this so I apologise for the unclear questions.
The bike is fairly new to me - since April so correct limax2.
02 Foxeye that has had heated grips added by previous owner hence the wiring looks like has been played with a little.
In my opinion it just seems that the lights work in the opposite way to how they should, eg dipped and full beam are on together but I can't have just dipped, so perhaps opposite isnt quite the right word. Again apologies.
Only the first time I've noticed the light problem as mostly use the bike for commuting and not done any night riding.
Thanks for the replies and the stick all deserved I know :lol
Re: Headlights Opposites - limax2 - 12-08-15
You took your beating well Alexander :lol . Further thoughts from me. Are you sure the dip beam is staying on when the dip switch is in the high beam position? i.e both elements in each twin filament bulb glowing bright. If not it could be that the second relay, (with five wires going to it), which controls high/low beam is stuck in the high position. That relay is energized for high beam so would normally revert to dip, but it could be stuck. Or it could be that the dip switch is not breaking contact when you switch to dip and control power is still going to the relay. That is through the yellow wire from the dip switch which should be live in high position and dead in dip position. Hope that helps.
I don't have a foxeye set-up but I think those relays are behind the headlamp. I could be wrong on that.
Re: Headlights Opposites - Alexander - 12-08-15
Okay so, switch in dipped position is high beam only, switch in high beam position is dipped and high beam.
Thanks
Alex
Re: Headlights Opposites - JoeRock - 12-08-15
(12-08-15, 11:48 AM)Alexander link Wrote: Okay so, switch in dipped position is high beam only, switch in high beam position is dipped and high beam.
Thanks
Alex
It's a relatively simple solution - turn the switchgear upside down :lol
Afraid I can't be of any actual help - electrickery is all black magic as far as I'm concerned!
Re: Headlights Opposites - Alexander - 12-08-15
Thanks JoeRock I was thinking Il just ride the bike upside down, that should solve it.
Re: Headlights Opposites - unfazed - 12-08-15
Is the headlight flasher stuck? Also know to the world as the PA (Passing Attention) Switch
It is in front of the switch for the dip/heads.
Re: Headlights Opposites - Val - 12-08-15
(12-08-15, 11:48 AM)Alexander link Wrote: Okay so, switch in dipped position is high beam only, switch in high beam position is dipped and high beam.
Thanks
Alex
Hi Alex,
Looking at the wiring diagram looks to me the leads for high and dipped are switched in your headlight secondary relay.
According to the wiring diagram the Headlight secondary relay has 5 wires. 2 black and 1 yellow, 1 black/yellow for the high beam and one black/blue for the dipped beam coming from the primary headlight relay.
Find it and replace the places for black/yellow and black/blue wires there.
EDIT: that cannot happen the wires are connected to the secondary headlight relay via socket. I doubt somebody has played with the socket.
Unless somebody has managed to plug the socket the wrong way :eek
The relay may be faulty? There is a procedure in Haynes to check the relay. Headlight relays are under the instrument cluster.
I am in Bracknell by the way and off work this whole week so feel free to PM me and come here for troubleshooting session at my garage. I do have printed Haynes manual and it has your bike wiring diagram.
Or you can just pop up here and borrow the manual from me if you prefer to check that yourself later in peace
cheers
Val
Re: Headlights Opposites - unfazed - 12-08-15
If the PA switch is operating correctly then check the relays
The foxeye has 2 relays to power the headlights
One relay is a standard 4 pin normally open relay and the second relay is a 5 pin change over relay. Both are diode protected.
Light Switch on right handlebar turns on the standard relay which powers the dips through the contacts of the change over relay which is off.
Switching to heads turns on the change over relay which switches power from the dims to the heads.
Both relays are behind the screen attached to the fairing bracket with rubber mounts.
Take off the screen and check that the relays are in the correct positions.
It is possible that someone forced the 5 pin relay into the 4 pin position bending the pins causing the problem you describe as the relays are the same physical size with same fitting and look the same externally. The only way to tell the change over relay from a normal one is to look directly at the pins.
For what Val says to happen some one would have to physically remove the connectors from the plug and reverse them, however this would not explain why the dips stay on with the heads.
Re: Headlights Opposites - crickleymal - 15-08-15
I've just found something weird on my boxeye. I've only just had the first ride in the dark since I bought it. On dip only the left light was on and visibility was awful. This morning I had a good look at the wiring with a multimeter. I found that the right light did have power on the dip beam but wasn't coming on . I waggled the plug and it worked. But the dip beam never goes off. When you put on high beam the right bulb has both filaments powered.
I plan to solve this with some extra relays and some thick cable direct from the battery.
Re: Headlights Opposites - limax2 - 15-08-15
(15-08-15, 06:59 PM)crickleymal link Wrote: I've just found something weird on my boxeye. I've only just had the first ride in the dark since I bought it. On dip only the left light was on and visibility was awful. This morning I had a good look at the wiring with a multimeter. I found that the right light did have power on the dip beam but wasn't coming on . I waggled the plug and it worked. But the dip beam never goes off. When you put on high beam the right bulb has both filaments powered.
I plan to solve this with some extra relays and some thick cable direct from the battery.
Are you aware that as standard only the left light is on in the dip position. The right side has a H4 double filament bulb but only uses the high beam filament. As you observe the light is very poor! On yours it seems to me that someone has made not such a good job of wiring the dip connection from the left light to the redundant dip connect on the right. This is not the way to do it for as you say both filament on the H4 bulb are on together when the switch is in the high beam position. In the "articles" section on this site, under FZS600, there is a very good description of how you can fairly easily alter things so you get both dips on together only in the dip position.