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Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 25-01-15
After having various issues with my gears/clutch I've managed to get it down to only one issue with second gear, it jumps into neutral every time I give it throttle? I think it's one of the selector forks being bent after I tried to force it into gear when the selector rod jammed me in neutral a couple miles from my home. I miss my bike so bloody much now, it's been over two months since it worked and I've bought a Citroen berlingo to tide my over!
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Arfa - 27-01-15
The selector rod is a common issue with the Fazer's and can cause this. However, what condition is your chain in? I found mine would do this more if the chain was a little slack and it's starting to do it more now as my chain is getting pretty worn.
However, if you're getting this every time you change up to 2nd, then it could be more series. Mine has only been doing this occasionally, maybe once or twice on a longer ride.
Usually the procedure to change the gear selector involves engine removal, fair bit of labour, but parts are quite cheap I believe. There was a chap on here who had written up on how to swap the selector with engine in situ though. Sounded fiddly, but doable. Run a search.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Deefer666 - 03-02-15
That was me that did the write up, I have done dozens of them.... Its a real common problem and once it starts jumping out of 2nd it normally the start of things that can only be rectified by swapping the selector mechanism in the gearbox.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Fazerider - 03-02-15
Deefer's write-up is here:
Following his guide a month later, I did the job and took a few pictures.
It also seemed that the root cause of the Fazer's problem is wear in the claw pivot on the gear change shaft. I made a couple of attempts at modification, the last of which has been successful... at least, it's been OK for the 3000 miles I've covered since.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 03-02-15
I read the guide, really well written and I'm very thankfull it's on here. So by selector mechanism do you mean the selector forks and drum? Also my chain is very worn and feels terrible but I've just not got round to fitting the new one. I don't think it would make it jump out of 2nd every time though, I can't use the gear at all.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Deefer666 - 04-02-15
The chain can be the cause of the problems, running it too tight or having a knackered chain with a tight spot will definately kill your gearbox bearings as well as the the sleector forks and drum. Replacing the chain wont rectify this once the symptoms have started.
If its got to the point where 2nd is no longer usable get it fixed NOW.... Any delay and you are just wearing away at the tips of the selector forks, the swarf will be circulating in the oil doing a far bit of damage and if the tips of the forks break off and get into circulation it will do a serious amount of damage.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 05-02-15
I stopped using the bike when it developed the problem so no more damage is being done, I didn't realise a nackerd chain can do so much damage I thought it just feels horrid. As for 2nd gear, as soon as I release the clutch and start accelerating passed 3,000 revs or so it jumps out of gear into netruel. I've managed to get hold of another drum but can't find a set of forks, Ebay has a pair including the right and centre forks but no left fork
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Fazerider - 05-02-15
You may have more luck looking for a complete gearbox which is what I ended up buying.
If you check directly with local breakers you can see before you hand over your cash... well worth it since ebay photos rarely give enough detail to judge if the condition is better than the components you're hoping to replace.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 05-02-15
Thanks for that, didn't think to look for complete kits. So in theory if I swap out the forks, drum and grind down the tab on the selector rod claw as well as fit a new chain and sproket I might be round this problem? Which fork corrisponds with second gear just out of interest?
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Fazerider - 05-02-15
Yes, that should solve your problem.
The left selector fork is the one that does second gear.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Deefer666 - 05-02-15
Easiest way of course is to find a breaker/dealer that'll Pex your engine
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 06-02-15
Deefer, are you saying it's easier to swap the engine over than change the forks? I've had it out once and it was a right pain in the arse, for me at least.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Deefer666 - 06-02-15
I take fazer engines out all the time so to me it aint no hassle
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Fazerider - 06-02-15
The job is certainly simpler if you pay someone else to do it.
If you're sorting it yourself, replacing the worn parts with the engine in-situ is easier than swapping the motor. Not that either is going to be a lot of fun in February.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 06-02-15
I'll do it myself, I avoid paying someone for something I can do myself but your right I'm not looking forward to it. One or two of my exhaust stud bolts already have helicoils in them so Im a little nervous, if all mounts and bolts where in good condition I'd feel much easier about it all. If I had an engine crane I'd also be much happier to swap the engine (hurt my back pretty bad lifting it last time)
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 06-03-15
Right I'm finally tackling it! Due to being really skint I couldn't just fork out (forgive the pun) for a whole gear box to get my selector forks but I spotted a set of all three off eBay for a tenner and the drum I had bought already for around the same so for around £50 including gaskets and oil I should be all sorted.
I didn't want to have my engine open over night in the damp which has been another thing slowing me down so I brought the bike into my kitchen lol, girlfriend not bothered oddly....
So far it's all going well so I've stopped for some spaghetti bolognaise and a glass of wine or two, getting the bike up was a bit unnerving and I'm not going to enjoy being under it but sod it I'm sick of my Citroen berlingo and this was my only solution.
I've got a query for anyone who's done this before and that is how do I get the drum out? I've been wiggling and everything but it won't budge, is it accessed from underneath once the sump's off?
Re: Jumping out of second gear - stevie-g1968 - 06-03-15
my missis would hang my balls for earings if I did that... :eek
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Paulfzs - 06-03-15
I think we need pics of said missus to fully establish what is happening here.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Fazerider - 06-03-15
That girlfriend of yours sounds like a keeper.
Yes, the drum slides out of the side once you've got the selector forks out, to do that you'll need the sump off.
Re: Jumping out of second gear - Triggergee - 06-03-15
Cheers guys, she is very forgiving to my boy stuff, let's me fill the house with beer brewing kit, beer, tools, dogs and shooting gear. Her ex convinced her to let him bring his bike 12 floors up a high rise lift and stick it in their bedroom!
Ok so I got the forks and drum out, both look foc'd so that's good, is the damage on the track of the drum the track which relates to 2nd gear and the left fork? I didn't pay attention which fork was where (Oooopppps) and I broke the oil senser in the sump trying to put it out, lucky I'm off to fowlers in the morning for a gasket anyway. Putting it all back together looks bloody impossible in terms of getting the forks and drum in place, might leave it till tomorrow when the light is better. More wine now needed as my chest deflates from being so ace lol. Can't wait to get back on the road! Did my chain and sproket yesterday so after this just fork seals and the thing works again!