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Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Roly - 20-09-14
So plainly a test carried out on private roads/airfield, from 0 to 130mph, who's your money on?
It seemed strange to me that with 95 bhp the Fazer isn't listed as having a higher top speed but on reflection a great deal is down to aerodynamics.
2 riders, both experienced quick riders, 0 to 130, Fazer v ZX6R?
No difference!
Yep very happy with Fazer and I don't get a bad back hunched over the front wheel like on a ZX6R. Repeated test, same again, wheelies in 1st and 2nd and 130 was as quick as my test required, but both bikes were up for more!
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Paul Myrus - 20-09-14
No difference between them both?! Would have thought the Kwak would have streamed a few car length's
a head a least!,
What year's were the bikes man?
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Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - JoeRock - 20-09-14
Sorry mate but I'd have to say either the ZX6R wasn't very well, or the rider wasn't accelerating quick enough!
You can get a very good launch on most 600 sports bikes as your weights right over the front wheel, and being pretty highly geared they don't wheelie as much as the 1000s off pure power alone. He should have been ahead by a fair old bit, particularly as at 130 he'll have another 30 odd to go, and you'd have maybe 10! Although if' it's one of the 6s with 6 pot tok calipers, I imagine you'd make it up on the brakes :lol
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - midden - 20-09-14
I think to do a fair comparison the two riders should have switched bikes for the second run and then even perhaps alternated another two runs
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - His Dudeness - 21-09-14
And surely the handling on a ZX6R is streets ahead of a fazer?
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - darrsi - 21-09-14
(20-09-14, 08:04 PM)JoeRock link Wrote: Sorry mate but I'd have to say either the ZX6R wasn't very well, or the rider wasn't accelerating quick enough!
You can get a very good launch on most 600 sports bikes as your weights right over the front wheel, and being pretty highly geared they don't wheelie as much as the 1000s off pure power alone. He should have been ahead by a fair old bit, particularly as at 130 he'll have another 30 odd to go, and you'd have maybe 10! Although if' it's one of the 6s with 6 pot tok calipers, I imagine you'd make it up on the brakes :lol
Have to agree, i'd have loved to try that challenge, but with also the option of swapping bikes for the re-run.
Makes total sense.
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - kawasutra - 21-09-14
(21-09-14, 01:40 AM)His Dudeness link Wrote: And surely the handling on a ZX6R is streets ahead of a fazer?
Well, I used to have a ZX636 (2002), and I would say I like the handling of my 99 Fazer more. That zx felt like it couldn't decide whether it was a sports bike or a sports tourer! Admit that the newer versions are probably different to the one I had, but I definitely prefer my Fazer over the kwakker!
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - stevierst - 21-09-14
Gotta give it to the little Fazer, they can hold their own in a drag race. When I had my boxeye I went out with my bro-in-law who was on his mille. I kept up with him, he's a quick rider and wasn't messing about.
Recently rode with him again on my Thundercat (its basically a Fazer with a frock on anyway) against his genII Tuono, and he couldn't believe how quickly it could be ridden.
So I've got no doubt that putting it against a zx6 the mighty Fazer will hold its own. 8)
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Roly - 21-09-14
Im quite sure the Fazer holds its own. According to MCN;
Fazer 600 (01) = 95bhp , 61lb torque, 189kg
ZX6R (99)= 106bhp, 48lb torque, 176kg
So (figures are basically a guide) the Fazer has 11bhp less, 13lb more torque, and is 13kg heavier. ZX6R rider probably 1.5 stone heavier than me, but we are both experienced. I don't know the difference in gearing but the ZX6R is much faster top speed which is undoubtedly helped by aerodynamics. So in a drag race to 130 (it seems a fazer is close to vmax) its quite believable that they match (virtually)
I also have a Firestorm, obviously different again. So a drag race in 4th from 60mph, Im quite sure the VTR will leave the Fazer for dead. But in a drag to 130? Not sure.
Its not a scientific experiment, but its a fair comparison (ZX6R v Fazer) just as an indication of the Fazers ability. Underrated
Would be most excellent to have a 0 - 130 day out on a nice Airfield sometime
All types welcome Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - sadlonelygit - 21-09-14
Why do people post up crap from mcn when trying to make their point.
If a fizzy 6 ever makes 61ft/lb of torque with a standard engine I will remove my own genitalia and pin them to the doors of my local hond@ dealer.
Unlike hp, torque is related to engine size and a 600 makes 45ft/lb on a decent day.
I ridden with gixxer1000s and trounced them in the vosges mountains, doesn't mean a gen1 handles better, just one rider quicker than the other.
same scenario here by the looks of things!
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Dead Eye - 21-09-14
MCN really do have issues with their statistical information...
I tend to use Motorcycle Specs ( http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/yamaha/yamaha_fzs600_fazer%2000.htm ) as they seem pretty on the ball. For the Fazer they come out with;
Max Power
95 hp / 69.3 kW @ 11500 rpm (83.8hp @ 11.000rpm)
Max Torque
61.2 Nm @ 9500 rpm
So, that translates to 45.8 ft/lb - looks like MCN fumbled with the unit of measure
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Fazafou - 21-09-14
So what's this 'comparison' ultimately prove?
Most bikes are so close in a straight line drag the figures are neglible. What makes the bike is how it handles and how the power is delivered on the road and most importantly what the rider wants and feels about the bike.
One mans meat etc.
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - noggythenog - 21-09-14
OP has got a point though...........the :faz Is supreme 8) 8) 8)
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - fazersharp - 21-09-14
(21-09-14, 08:25 PM)Fazafou link Wrote: So what's this 'comparison' ultimately prove?I would agree with this
Most bikes are so close in a straight line drag the figures are neglible. What makes the bike is how it handles and how the power is delivered on the road and most importantly what the rider wants and feels about the bike.
One mans meat etc.
May be we should think of it anotherway ---- would I beat another me, fazer vs zx6r not in a straight line but twisties,
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - BBROWN1664 - 22-09-14
0-100 there will be very little between the two. At 100mph onwards the ZX6 will take the lead. Slowly but it will take the lead.
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - JoeRock - 22-09-14
(21-09-14, 08:53 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: [quote author=Fazafou link=topic=14762.msg167526#msg167526 date=1411327536]I would agree with this
So what's this 'comparison' ultimately prove?
Most bikes are so close in a straight line drag the figures are neglible. What makes the bike is how it handles and how the power is delivered on the road and most importantly what the rider wants and feels about the bike.
One mans meat etc.
May be we should think of it anotherway ---- would I beat another me, fazer vs zx6r not in a straight line but twisties,
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If you're an experienced, fast rider - yes. Particularly on a track. The average geezer, getting on a bit, reactions a bit slower, probably not!
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Fazafou - 22-09-14
I've usually found sports bikes when taken off track are generally slower than road bikes, mainly because the power is in the wrong place for the road, that is you need low and mid range power on the road, whereas the top end works on track. Not saying you can't have fun, but comparisons are always a bit flawed as the two are aimed at different environments.
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - stevierst - 22-09-14
Touche there fazafou, my thoughts exactly.
Horsepower wins on the track,
Torque wins on the street! (as a general rule of thumb, but not based on any conclusive scientific evidence of course) 8)
Re: Fazer 600 V ZX6R - Millietant - 22-09-14
Gotta agree with the last couple of posts - I've left many a GSXR 1000 /R1 / Fireblade etc rider behind, on bumpy twisty roads, on my FJ1200 (it just squashes bumps flat, rather than getting bounced about by them).
On a smooth wide track though, the old bus is left for dead by those very same bikes. It just runs out of edge grip, cornering clearance and it can sometimes wallow a bit too much in the faster corners
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