Headlight Switch - Printable Version

Headlight Switch - Printable Version

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Headlight Switch - mickvp - 08-08-14

Guys,

As I have one of the "later" bikes, I have no headlight switch on my RH controls. In order to give myself a working switch, can I just switch out the RH controls for one with the switch fitted from an earlier bike (i.e. is the rest of the loom the same and all other wiring there) or will I need to wire it all in?

Just one of those little things that winds me up, would be happy to change it if it was a simple swap over job, but dont really want to go butchering or adding in loads of extra wires outwith the main loom.

Re: Headlight Switch - g5guzzi - 08-08-14

No chance it would be a major rewire.I had the same idea when I had mine.
Malc

Re: Headlight Switch - sadlonelygit - 08-08-14

did it to mine.
mine runs with sidelights and tail on all the time (sidelights power my 12v socket).
i made a sub-loom from the headlight relay behind the screen to the switch then under the tank to the oem fitting. needed to buy a plug in fitting off ebay (£1 iirc) and a bit of wiring.

Re: Headlight Switch - mickvp - 08-08-14

hmmm. so a bit of wiring needed then it seems. ill need to look into it a bit more as I would love to have it.

Re: Headlight Switch - b1k3rdude - 09-08-14

(08-08-14, 09:44 PM)g5guzzi link Wrote: No chance it would be a major rewire.

Not really, just grab a 3 pin female connector w/wires (I got mine from a local bike shop) which will plug into to the male 3pin connectors from the r/h switch gear. I then found the feed to headlight relay and cut and conncted that to the switch - job done. I can take some pics of mine if that will help.

And in case your wondering about the hazard switch on the l/h side s/g its a simple case of buying the uk r/h/-s/g and plugging it in.

Re: Headlight Switch - Tmation - 09-08-14

(09-08-14, 04:33 AM)b1k3rdude link Wrote: And in case your wondering about the hazard switch on the l/h side s/g its a simple case of buying the uk r/h/-s/g and plugging it in.

Be careful with advice like that, you could cost people money. I have an import (USA) 2004 Gen 1 which comes with no headlight pass/flash switch, no hazard lights switch and no lights on or off switch.

On advice from here I bought new switchgear and they most definitely did not plug and play. The amounts of wires and the connector plugs are completely different, as it part of the loom.

Re: Headlight Switch - blackcabbie - 09-08-14

Pats fz1oa page describe a way to connect a In line rocker switch on the left side infill panel. This is what I did. It gives you the functionality to switch headlights off although side lights and rear lights stay on

Re: Headlight Switch - blackcabbie - 09-08-14

Me and tmation got our bikes from the same dealers new at same time. We both still own them. Can't really find anything to replace it with

Re: Headlight Switch - sirgalahad3 - 09-08-14

I have added a switch to my 03 model. The switch iinterrupts the control wire of the relay behind the clocks,the white one if I remember correctly.
This is only a partial solution though,the tail light and side lights stay on. To stop those coming on would require major wiring surgery,not with it in my case.

Re: Headlight Switch - b1k3rdude - 09-08-14

(09-08-14, 06:35 AM)Tmation link Wrote: Be careful with advice like that, you could cost people money. I have an import (USA) 2004 Gen 1 which comes with no headlight pass/flash switch, no hazard lights switch and no lights on or off switch.

At the end of the day, this is a public internet forum. There is no liability inferred or implied, its one person experiences versus someone else's. And when you tinker with your bike the buck stops with you.

I also have US import, 2005 model that had the same config as yours. Looking at sirgalahad3's post, my advice also applied to the "euro-always on" model aswell - you just have to check the manual for your year/model and apply a bit of common sense.

Re: Headlight Switch - mickvp - 09-08-14

(09-08-14, 12:46 PM)sirgalahad3 link Wrote: I have added a switch to my 03 model. The switch iinterrupts the control wire of the relay behind the clocks,the white one if I remember correctly.
This is only a partial solution though,the tail light and side lights stay on. To stop those coming on would require major wiring surgery,not with it in my case.

this sounds like the simplest solution so far for me - im not fussed about sidelights or taillights being on, just want the dipped beam to be switchble on and off :thumb:

Re: Headlight Switch - sirgalahad3 - 09-08-14

To make it look right I suggest you get the right hand switch gear off an early fazer and fit that as opposed to a rocker switch mounted in the fairing.
Simple to do,good luck.

Re: Headlight Switch - chaparral02 - 10-08-14

Why do you guys want to turn the headlights off ??

I feel safer riding with my headlights on even in daylight..

Re: Headlight Switch - mickvp - 10-08-14

(10-08-14, 08:16 PM)chaparral02 link Wrote: Why do you guys want to turn your headlights off ??

Although I would have mine on most of the time, if I go a long time without riding it, then it can reduce the load on the battery for a while and get a bit of a better charge into it. plus its always nice to have it as an option, rather than it needs to be always on.

Re: Headlight Switch - chaparral02 - 10-08-14

(10-08-14, 08:19 PM)mickvp link Wrote: if I go a long time without riding it, then it can reduce the load on the battery for a while and get a bit of a better charge into it.

Re: Headlight Switch - mickvp - 10-08-14

(10-08-14, 08:24 PM)chaparral02 link Wrote: [quote author=mickvp link=topic=14300.msg162146#msg162146 date=1407698366] if I go a long time without riding it, then it can reduce the load on the battery for a while and get a bit of a better charge into it.

The alternator regulator is set to charge the battery at around the same 14volts with the headlights on or off while riding..
It really shouldn't make any difference..(apart from when at only idle revs)
[/quote]

I would have thought it was not an issue of voltage, but an issue of current? the headlights draw a current and therefore there is less available to go to the battery? either way, its making the alternator work harder than it needs to?

Re: Headlight Switch - chaparral02 - 10-08-14

(10-08-14, 08:29 PM)mickvp link Wrote: [quote author=chaparral02 link=topic=14300.msg162148#msg162148 date=1407698656]
[quote author=mickvp link=topic=14300.msg162146#msg162146 date=1407698366] if I go a long time without riding it, then it can reduce the load on the battery for a while and get a bit of a better charge into it.

Re: Headlight Switch - mickvp - 10-08-14

So the standard alternator supplies almost 26A, and if you take off the load of the headlights then for the same output it can only charge about 19A - meaning it would take longer to charge a low battery.

Im genuinely not sure, but that was my understanding of it.

(thats going by two dipped beam bulbs at about 50W each).

Re: Headlight Switch - b1k3rdude - 11-08-14

From the research I have done into RR's is its more a case of when you turn the lights off the load that would have been going into the lights is being dumped into the RR, which then causes it to warm up. But I think critically, where turning the lights off has the advantage is in overall system voltage. On my FZS with its current (possibly faulty RR) the voltage with the lights off and the engine at 5k rpm is higher, so in theory the battery should receive more charge...

Re: Headlight Switch - PaulSmith - 12-08-14

I don't get it. The money and effort you would have to spend on switch gear, wiring and time to be able to turn your lights off, just so you can charge your battery a tiny bit quicker when it is a little bit flat, will buy you a charger, which means it will never be flat and you wont have to drive with your lights off. Is there any other reason you want to turn them off?