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Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 25-07-14
Hi all.
Been trying to research this all week to no avail.
I have a noise that seems to have suddenly appeared.
I thought it sounded cam chainy, but I've recorded it now as best I could.
I've just stripped it down and removed the tensioner, checked it all out, put it back then wound the centre bolt in last thing and it adjusted.
the noise is no worse, but no better and I'm not sure where to go next.
I'm not sure how many clicks were left on it because I was a fool and didn't take the centre bolt and spring out first LOL.
Either way, don't want to spend over £100 on something it doesn't need.
The noise isn't mega, but does go with the engine revs and is annoying, and makes me conscious that it'll break.
I've tried the spirited ride trick and its still there, again no worse.
Its present from Cold and when Hot also.
Any advice?
Don't know where to go now
Its a 2003 Foxeye with circa 28k on the clock.
I changed the oil around 1500 miles ago.
Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e0FkkDMGQE&feature=youtu.be
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - darrsi - 25-07-14
It's like deja vu :lol
(read my post Cam Chain Rattle)
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 25-07-14
Think I've read it, but can't find anything definitive.
Is this the same noise as yours, and so I'm right in aiming towards the cam chain?
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - darrsi - 25-07-14
(25-07-14, 04:08 PM)davidkent link Wrote: Think I've read it, but can't find anything definitive.
Is this the same noise as yours, and so I'm right in aiming towards the cam chain?
Yeah, same sound, it's quite distinctive.
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 25-07-14
Sounds a nightmare. Tried it again and it's as bad if not worse. Chain time me thinks :/
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - unfazed - 25-07-14
Were the valve clearances ever checked???
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 25-07-14
Not that I'm aware.
May be worth noting that the noise seemed to start pretty suddenly too. Didn't appear a gradual start.
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - unfazed - 25-07-14
(25-07-14, 08:52 PM)davidkent link Wrote: Not that I'm aware.
May be worth noting that the noise seemed to start pretty suddenly too. Didn't appear a gradual start.
Simple enough to check and you can check the chain wear at the same time.
If the timing marks line up almost perfectly then the chain is fine.
Quite possible you have a loose valve clearances.
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 26-07-14
Is there a guide on here mate? And assume ill need some feeler guages?
The metal slice type things?
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - unfazed - 26-07-14
Buy a good set of feeler gauges, they should have these combinations in them 0.10, 0.13, 0.15, 0.18, 0.20, 0.23, 0.25, 0.28, 0.30, 0.33, 0.35 metric or 0.0035, 0.004, 0.005, 0.006, 0.007, 0.008, 0.009, 0.010, 0.011, 0.012, 0.013 imperial
Remove the Seat
Remove the tank
Take plug caps off and pull leads up over the the cables and wires to give space for lifting the cam cover
Remove bolt holding on the thermostat
Remove the 4 decorative cover on cam cover
Remove the rubber cover in front of the plugs
Bend back tab holding cable near Alternator/generator cover to free cable.
Take off Alternator/generator cover and tie it up
Remove bolts on cam cover
Lift the cover, might need a few light taps to loosen as it will most likely be stuck
This is where you need three hands
Take it out from the left side. holding the throttle cable out of the way and moving the thermostat housing a little to gain the clearance over the top of the cam chain. It does come out even though the clearance is only millimeters
The gasket is rubber and can be reused but grease it lightly on both sides before refitting
Now turn the rotor counter clockwise until the T mark lines up with the line where the top and bottom crankcase meet.
Do the deep punch marks on the top of the cam shaft line up with the punch marks on the camshaft caps, if the camshaft punch marks are not visable rotate the rotor one full turn counter clockwise and line up the T mark again. (Two rotations of the crank equal one rotation of the Cams)
Post a picture of of the alignment.
Download the manual and look at at the bottom of page 3-5 and page 3-6 and follow the instruction on checking the clearances.
Let us know the results
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 26-07-14
Will do this tomorrow all going well.
Thanks for such a detailed response
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - unfazed - 26-07-14
Check out my post here also http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,9372.msg159835/topicseen.html#new
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 27-07-14
Not gone thus far yet.
Just advanced the tensioner one click manually.
There was 3 clicks left and now there's 2.
Started up and still noisy from cold so it's warming up now to see if that helps.
If there's still clicks on the tensioner am i right in thinking that's good news for the chain?
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 27-07-14
Warmed up and the noise is as bad or worse.
Not sure what exactly to do. Suppose I'll let it cool and think about checking these valve clearances while the bikes semi apart..
Doesn't sound like that kinda noise Imo.
It's rather irritating none the less
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 27-07-14
This correct? T mark with the crank case join at the front of the bike and the 2 dots on the cams with the mark?
Look a tiny amount out but trivial to me?
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 27-07-14
Also, while this is off, how do I check valve clearances?
Is this further stripping or not too bad from here?
I have some feeler gauges its just knowing what to actually do.
Apologies for 10 replies in a row, just want this bike working, im terrified it'll break while riding and throw me into a bus or something, Being a relatively new rider, I doubt id to handle any failures..
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - His Dudeness - 27-07-14
Looks fine to me. To check the valve clearances the best thing to do is start on cylinder one which is the left one as you sit on the bike. You need to make sure you're checking the clearance at top dead centre on the compression stroke because on the compression stroke the valves are totally closed so there's a "clearance" gap between the camshaft and the valve. You have two top dead centres one happens on the compression stroke and the other happens on the exhaust stroke. The easiest way to know your on the compression stroke is to look at the cam shafts as you turn over the engine. You know you're on the compression stroke because the lobes for the cylinder you're measuring will be pointing away from each other. Sounds complicated but it'll make sense when you see it. Make sure the tdc marks also line up as you did already and the lobes are pointing away from each other then use your slip gauges to make your measurements. To measure the next cylinder take a look at the manual it'll tell you to rotate the engine a certain number of degrees to take the next measurement, the lobes will point away from each other again on the cylinder you're measuring. It's easy when you've done it once. The tricky bit I think is judging how much resistance there should be on the slip gauge. That takes a bit of experience to know for sure but you'll get it close enough to make a judgement on whether it's in spec or not. It's on page 3-5 of this manual http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=8
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - davidkent - 27-07-14
Makes sense I think. Not too tight but not so loose they flap about I guess.
I'll measure them now as the rockers off, looks fiddly.
What are spec measurements?
Thanks
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - His Dudeness - 27-07-14
Have a look in the manual.
Re: Cam chain noise.. again? - unfazed - 27-07-14
Do you mean there is only 2 notches left to take up the slack on the chain or 2 notches from the front of the tensioner where it pushes against the guide or 2 notches left in these in the tensioner? 2 from the guide side is good 2 notches from the back is bad.
There is a some stretch on the chain as the dots are behind the cam cap marks.
Rotate the rotor counter clockwise until the marks line up again and check it the marks stay the same and do this about 4 more times and see if there are any changes in the line up. if there is any change the chain has tight spots which may be the cause of the slight rattle you say you have.
With the cams in this position you should be able to slide the feeler guage in between the cam lobe and bucket over the valve on the 4 valves on the 1st cylinder . See example in page 3-6 on of the manual
Rotate the rotor counter clockwise 180degrees and you should be able to check the clearance of the no 2 cylinder
Another 180 and check the no 4 cylinder and a further 180 check the no 3 cylinder
Valve clearance (cold)
Intake valve
0.11 0.20 mm Ideally the 0.11 should slide in nicely and the 0.20 should not slide in. If .20 slides in easily there is to much clearance
Exhaust valve
0.21 0.30 mm Ideally the 0.21 should slide in nicely and the 0.30 should not slide in. If .30 slides in easily there is to much clearance
What you are doing is really ruling out causes of the noise.
I presume you check the downpipes for small holes which can give really funny sounds