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Clutchless upshifting ? - Freza - 30-06-14
Do you do it and does it do any harm to the gearbox ?
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - JoeRock - 30-06-14
Yes, and no, provided it's done properly!
Only time I really use the clutch going up is from 1-2 on my ninja as that's basically pulling off, rest of the time i tend to just clutchless upshift
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - fazersharp - 30-06-14
I might have a go at this --- is it the same as useing the clutch as in off revs change, and is it a matter of feeling for the right revs and why would I want to do it (not being funny)
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - bigralphie - 30-06-14
Yes I have too with my gutless underpowered shed, only way to get it to buck up :lol
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Freza - 30-06-14
I never tried it (should I feel ashamed?), but I'll definitely give it a go.
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - JoeRock - 30-06-14
(30-06-14, 10:28 PM)fazersharp link Wrote: I might have a go at this --- is it the same as useing the clutch as in off revs change, and is it a matter of feeling for the right revs and why would I want to do it (not being funny)
yes, but you only have to twitch the revs down a bit, put a teeny bit of pressure on the lever and if you get it right it'll snick in lovely and smoothly. Basically means you can full throttle accelerate continuously through the gears without wasting time changing gears!
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - fazersharp - 01-07-14
Thinking about it I dont think I pull the clutch in fully anyway when getting a move on------------- perhaps I half shift
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - mr self destruct - 01-07-14
This video helped me a lot:
Smoother gear Changing, gear shifting on your motorcycle.
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Chris - 01-07-14
I always use the clutch between 1 and 2 and use the clutch between 2 and 3 in town as the revs are generally lower and therefore is very sensitive so if you get it wrong it can give a bit of a clunk. The rest of the time I shift up without clutch. Slight pressure under gear lever with foot then back of throttle for a split second, the gear snicks up and then you're back on the power. Takes a bit of practice to get it smooth but it feels sooo good when you get it.
Chris
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Frosties - 01-07-14
(01-07-14, 04:42 AM)Chris link Wrote: I always use the clutch between 1 and 2 and use the clutch between 2 and 3 in town as the revs are generally lower and therefore is very sensitive so if you get it wrong it can give a bit of a clunk. The rest of the time I shift up without clutch. Slight pressure under gear lever with foot then back of throttle for a split second, the gear snicks up and then you're back on the power. Takes a bit of practice to get it smooth but it feels sooo good when you get it.
Chris
Totally agree with Chris - well described fella. In town clutch 2nd to 3rd, out of town clutch only 1st to 2nd. Slight pressure under the gear lever is the key. Makes a smoother ride I find especially with a pillion.
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - bigbluebear - 01-07-14
(01-07-14, 09:56 AM)Frosties link Wrote: [quote author=Chris link=topic=13846.msg156562#msg156562 date=1404186161]
I always use the clutch between 1 and 2 and use the clutch between 2 and 3 in town as the revs are generally lower and therefore is very sensitive so if you get it wrong it can give a bit of a clunk. The rest of the time I shift up without clutch. Slight pressure under gear lever with foot then back of throttle for a split second, the gear snicks up and then you're back on the power. Takes a bit of practice to get it smooth but it feels sooo good when you get it.
Chris
Totally agree with Chris - well described fella. In town clutch 2nd to 3rd, out of town clutch only 1st to 2nd. Slight pressure under the gear lever is the key. Makes a smoother ride I find especially with a pillion.
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Works really well when your hammering it through the gears and sounds great too
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Freza - 01-07-14
Just tried it, works perfectly smooth.
Kind of a "DIY" quickshifter :b
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - fazersharp - 01-07-14
(01-07-14, 01:28 AM)mr self destruct link Wrote: This video helped me a lot:
If he would just shut up for a second I might be able to hear the engine
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Chris - 01-07-14
it's the blipping on the downshifts that I still haven't mastered properly yet, sometimes get it spot on and other times it's a complete mess. All about practice though and everything that helps you stay smoother and not unsettle the balance of the bike is a good thing.
Chris
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Frosties - 01-07-14
(01-07-14, 10:51 AM)Freza link Wrote: Just tried it, works perfectly smooth.
Kind of a "DIY" quickshifter :b
Lesson number 1 is now complete. Lesson number 2 involves the same principle but with the bike off the centre stand
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Chris - 01-07-14
(01-07-14, 02:24 PM)Frosties link Wrote: [quote author=Freza link=topic=13846.msg156589#msg156589 date=1404208274]
Just tried it, works perfectly smooth.
Kind of a "DIY" quickshifter :b
Lesson number 1 is now complete. Lesson number 2 involves the same principle but with the bike off the centre stand
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:rollin :rollin :rollin
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - mr self destruct - 01-07-14
(01-07-14, 01:47 PM)Chris link Wrote: it's the blipping on the downshifts that I still haven't mastered properly yet, sometimes get it spot on and other times it's a complete mess. All about practice though and everything that helps you stay smoother and not unsettle the balance of the bike is a good thing.
Chris
There's a definite knack to it, and I've not mastered it yet. :rolleyes
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - bigralphie - 02-07-14
If you push with your thumb and pull with your middle fingers its easier to blip the throttle for me
though one has a slipper clutch and does not need to blip now :rollin
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - Millietant - 02-07-14
Like most others, I only use the clutch for 1st to 2nd gear changes (and 2nd to 1st) - otherwise IRS clutch less all the way.
I've done this on all my bikes over the last 37 years and whilst every one has been a joy on up shifts, a couple have been pigs to master on downshifts (older Honda SOHC fours were the worst).
Downshift wise, my RSV is the easiest for a beautifully smooth shift and I reckon the Fazer 600 is the easiest (non 2 stroke) for smooth up shifts.
It's all about matching revs and throttle, together with a quick "snick" of the pedal.
Re: Clutchless upshifting ? - fazersharp - 02-07-14
I have had ago today (upshift) and some times it just wont move at all - other times its a "jolt" and then when I think about how I change gear ( when getting a move on) I do exactly the same -- its a flick of the throttle and the clutch is hardly in so I am sort of half clutchles changing, I got it right once and was smooth but ther rest of the time there was a jolt but i dont think I am going to be any quicker clutchless than the way I already ride.
Down shifting with a blip though I do without thinking and somtimes with two fingers on the front brake too