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chains security - midden - 18-04-14
Which chain do you use and is it really worth the money
http://www.getgeared.co.uk/Motorcycle_Security/Motorcycle_Chain_Lock
Re: chains security - darrsi - 18-04-14
Depends where you park your bike and how high the risk is i s'pose?
They are certainly a good deterrent to the opportunist thief.
I've never really been a fan of disc locks.
My bike's garaged at home and parked in front of reception at work during the day, but i have a heavy duty chain and Ingersoll lock that i've had for many many years which stays under my seat ready to be used when out and about.
Ironically my brother gave me the lock and chain after he "borrowed" them from a job he was working on at the time and "forgot" to give them back.
I really must get a spare key cut. :lol
Re: chains security - AllyBally - 18-04-14
I think any reasonable chain and disc locks are a good deterrent. But have to say that they wont stop some scumbag taking your pride and joy if they are determined.
A while ago had to get a chain and disc lock off a bike as owner had lost keys, had spare bike key but couldnt find the spare keys for the locks, less than 2 minutes with bolt croppers and a cordless cutter, bit noisy but then a lot of thieving scum are bold as brass.
Saying that, I use my chain and lock whenever possible, better than making it easier for them.
Re: chains security - mickvp - 18-04-14
disk lock when im out and about.
when at home, I have a ground anchor bolted to my wall, with a fairly cheap "mammoth" chain. the anchor is fine, but the chain is a bit cheaper than I would have liked, and so ill likely upgrade that at some point. the only plus side is the chain has a bright green sleeve on it, so its a good visual deterrent, but I dont reckon it will stop a good set of bolt croppers.
Re: chains security - mr self destruct - 18-04-14
As has been said before, if someone wants your bike they'll take it. I use a chain and disc lock everywhere I go, more to guarantee an insurance payout if it does get robbed than to actually secure the bike.
Re: chains security - midden - 18-04-14
That's the clip my link is supposed to be fizzie and was part of my point. Seems £159 chain as easy to crack as a£50.
Seems to me chain has to be between bike and wall anchor and halfway up the bike to block croppers from being pressed against floor. Have to be a strong foc to crop using arms alone
Re: chains security - Slaninar - 18-04-14
This should buy you lots of noise and cutters longer than 1m:
http://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Motorbike-Scooter/Lock-chain-combinations/Granit-Extreme-Plus-59
Make sure bike is locked to something immobile, through the frame, above ground if at all possible.
Good lock (hard to pick), good, hardened steel - all the way to the core, not just surface hardened that is easier to cut.
With electric grinder, or big bold cutters, it will be cut - in under 10 minutes probably, but it will need noise, good tools and longer than most other (cheaper) chains.
Disk locks are not good when your bike gets loaded onto a van - like most bikes get stolen where I live, while alarm is good for kinds not sitting on your bike, not much more.
EDIT: Video from 3 mins onwards, thanks Darrsi, forgot to mention. :rolleyes
Honda CBR600RR 2007 STOLEN!
My fazer was locked and with an alarm - and dragged 20 meters away by one strong man. He wasn't about to steal it, just relocate, fortunately.
Re: chains security - darrsi - 18-04-14
Watch video from 3mins onwards!
Re: chains security - fazersharp - 19-04-14
That almax vid is total crap all those chains and they never stole that bike once!!
The problem with all of those chains is that the links can fit into a large bolt cropper jaws, the way to scupper that one is to have 16 or 19mm chain links that will not fit into the jaws, job done (at least safe from croppers)
Chains that are through hardend as demo are brittle and the shock of cutting one side also breaks the other side of the link, where as case hardend only you will have to cut both sides of the link in turn
Re: chains security - midden - 19-04-14
Yeah I read an article saying anything less than 16mm useless for bikes. I'm surprised D locks ate rated so low as well, is that due to croppers as well
Re: chains security - Slaninar - 19-04-14
100% safe system is also a useless one. Hard to carry too thick of a chain. 12mm chain core hardened should make most bolt cutters useless, or take some really long levers - over 1m. With enough time, tools and determination, any bike will get stolen, it is usually enough to make your bike less expensive and better secured than the next.
Re: chains security - fazersharp - 19-04-14
(19-04-14, 01:17 PM)Slaninar link Wrote:100% safe system is also a useless one. Hard to carry too thick of a chain. 12mm chain core hardened should make most bolt cutters useless, or take some really long levers - over 1m. With enough time, tools and determination, any bike will get stolen, it is usually enough to make your bike less expensive and better secured than the next.Yep those 16-19 mm chains are not for carrying about with you
Re: chains security - Fazafou - 19-04-14
Thats the only problem, I have an almax for securing to ground anchor at home but too heavy to take with me. Im afraid it's down to luck when out and about, but I rarely leave it anywhere, and the works site is fenced off with security entrance, so hopefully ok when at work.
Re: chains security - zippywight - 24-04-14
Key broke to my ultra safe krypton d lock on my racer!!after an hour trying to saw through this and only achieving a polish of the metal, Tried bolt croppers and broke these googled how to break these bloody things. Apparently you can force some open with bottle jacks. Another option which I enjoyed was the jaws of life, no noise but big and clumbersome. Took these to the lock and 20 seconds later d lock in 2 parts!. Tested angle grinder on the d lock and 5 minutes later I was through ( lots of noise and sparks)......... Anyway, white van some overalls with some fake badges and no one will question you! Well if they do just say your impounding the bikes.
On that no lock is indestructible, and merely acts as a deterrent, and you hope the bike next to yours has less of a deterrent than yours. Alarms! Does anyone pay attention to alarms theses days!
Oh yes I am not in this line of business and just commenting :rolleyes
Re: chains security - zippywight - 24-04-14
.... Addition to last post. Hardened steel can apparently be frozen and shattered with a strong blow from a hammer (you can get the stuff in a can) refrigerators use this stuff so is readily available.
Re: chains security - Punkstig - 25-04-14
The joys of the humble fzs600- not worth nicking to sell on so not in the sight of professionals, only worth nicking by teenage joyriders, so any chain/ disc lock combination should be a suitable deterrent!
Re: chains security - MadDogMcQ - 25-04-14
People wrap chains around their wheel and then two Pikeys come along in a van and just lift up the end of the bike which has the chain on and roll the bike into their van. Bye bike!!
Chains are just deterrents to protect against OPPORTUNIST thieves. There is no pikey deterrent - end of.
Re: chains security - Robbie8666 - 25-04-14
(25-04-14, 08:03 AM)Punkstig link Wrote: The joys of the humble fzs600- not worth nicking to sell on so not in the sight of professionals, only worth nicking by teenage joyriders, so any chain/ disc lock combination should be a suitable deterrent!
not sure about that as when I had my super dream some toe-rag tried to nick it & it was only worth £250!! ended up building a garage which cost me £1500!! lol + the £15 for new ignition where they tried to barrel it!
Re: chains security - bigralphie - 25-04-14
A KASP one but only because I get them cheap at work