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advice on crash responsibility - AndyL - 30-01-14
Hi,
I had a bump on my last bike in November.
I was filtering past stationary traffic using the other lane as it was empty, a car pulled out of a side road.
I came to a stop but this has been disputed by the car driver. It's bent the front disc on my bike and an unspecified amount of damage to the car (who was turning right)
The insurance company was going to settle against me using Powell Vs Moody
They have refused to consider the Davis Vs Schogrin on the grounds that the situation is different though they did accept Leesen Vs Bevis and have now agreed to settle 50/50
There are no witnesses to use so I can't prove I cam to a full stop. I did point out that the trend in the case law was more in the riders favor the the previous case law and while she agreed that was the trend she said the specific circumstances are different.
The damage to my bike is minor (2nd hand parts for an SR125 are cheap) but I understand this will affect premiums in future for both bikes and cars (I'm hoping to pass my car test soon).
Has anyone used Davis Vs Schogrin for an incident at a junction?
Re: advice on crash responsibility - darrsi - 30-01-14
Just for the record, 'cos i didn't have a clue!
http://www.boltburdonkemp.co.uk/services-bolt-burdon-kemp-no-win-no-fee-solicitors/personal-injury-bolt-burdon-kemp-no-win-no-fee-solicitors/motorbike-accident-compensation-claims/motorbike%20accidents%20the%20law%20on%20the%20road.aspx
Re: advice on crash responsibility - ChristoT - 30-01-14
If it's any consolation, when I bought insurance on my car, I had to report my big smash up from Spetember. And whilst it may load your bike premium like a bitch, for cars, specify it was a BIKE claim - according to the Admiral agent I bought my insurance from, whilst they need to know about it, it doesn't load the premium.
Re: advice on crash responsibility - fazersharp - 30-01-14
Quote:I was filtering past stationary traffic using the other lane as it was empty, a car pulled out of a side road.So were you therefore on the wrong side of the road
I came to a stop but this has been disputed by the car driver. It's bent the front disc on my bike and an unspecified amount of damage to the car (who was turning right)
I did you stop to let him out
Still not clear to me on this bit
Re: advice on crash responsibility - nick crisp - 30-01-14
A paint diagram would be useful Andy, if you're after opinions/help. Hope it works out ok. FWIW, I was able to shoot down all previous case studies offered against me as being different to the actual circumstances of my last accident. But as Fazersharp says, difficult to say without a better description/diagram.
Re: advice on crash responsibility - AndyL - 30-01-14
I'll draw up a diagram from a google maps image.
When I came to a stop my wheels were just on the left of the white line. The car driver is claiming I failed to stop so it sounds like the insurance companies are assuming we were both moving.
I'd looked at a quote for the 125 I was planning to keep for the bad weather and as I have transferred the no claims to the fazer (I can't have a multi bike policy as I don't have a garage) it didn't make a difference. It's the cost of a new driver in a car going up that's really scary.
Re: advice on crash responsibility - midden - 30-01-14
(30-01-14, 07:30 PM)AndyL link Wrote: I'll draw up a diagram from a google maps image.Opt for having black box in car for the 12 mths. Seriously reduces premium.
When I came to a stop my wheels were just on the left of the white line. The car driver is claiming I failed to stop so it sounds like the insurance companies are assuming we were both moving.
I'd looked at a quote for the 125 I was planning to keep for the bad weather and as I have transferred the no claims to the fazer (I can't have a multi bike policy as I don't have a garage) it didn't make a difference. It's the cost of a new driver in a car going up that's really scary.
Re: advice on crash responsibility - ChristoT - 30-01-14
Oddly enough my cheapest quote wasn't black box!
Re: advice on crash responsibility - JZS 600 - 30-01-14
But was your ride on time?
Re: advice on crash responsibility - ChristoT - 30-01-14
(30-01-14, 07:52 PM)JZS 600 link Wrote: But was your ride on time?
Eh?
Re: advice on crash responsibility - JZS 600 - 30-01-14
http://uk.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=AwrSbl.en.pSGnwAQgpLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTE1MGp1cXQ0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1NNRVVLMjdfODg-/SIG=12097uht7/EXP=1391136798/**http%3a//www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=4lOb799cTxM
Re: advice on crash responsibility - JZS 600 - 30-01-14
It must be a generation thing,,,,, :lol
Re: advice on crash responsibility - JZS 600 - 30-01-14
Black Box Ride on Time [ 1989 ] HD version
Re: advice on crash responsibility - darrsi - 30-01-14
(30-01-14, 07:43 PM)midden link Wrote: [quote author=AndyL link=topic=11525.msg124173#msg124173 date=1391106626]Opt for having black box in car for the 12 mths. Seriously reduces premium.
I'll draw up a diagram from a google maps image.
When I came to a stop my wheels were just on the left of the white line. The car driver is claiming I failed to stop so it sounds like the insurance companies are assuming we were both moving.
I'd looked at a quote for the 125 I was planning to keep for the bad weather and as I have transferred the no claims to the fazer (I can't have a multi bike policy as I don't have a garage) it didn't make a difference. It's the cost of a new driver in a car going up that's really scary.
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They generally are cheaper but after that first year drop them like a stone.
My mate got stitched right up on the 2nd year, they lowered his mileage allowance to what he did the previous year then they charge per mile if you go over it.
Just for the record as well, if you go were to be a devil and go over 100mph the sat nav picks up on it and your insurance is invalid straight away! :eek
Re: advice on crash responsibility - AndyL - 30-01-14
Not at 20 posts yet and already had all sorts of good advice.
![[Image: crashsite_zps8b169d2a.jpg]](http://smg.photobucket.com/user/highstorrsprom/media/crashsite_zps8b169d2a.jpg.html)
I was filtering past the cars going in the direction of car A past someone that left a gap. She came out of the side road to turn right (direction of car B) and clipped my front wheel with hers (my mudguard ended up in her wheel arch).
She is claiming she came to a full stop while I say I did. I was travelling at slow speed (1st gear on a SR125) before the accident and she was pulling away. I was roughly in line with the car that had left the gap when the collision happened.
I'm not sure if it matters but it was around 08:15 in November so light. It wasn't raining but the road surface was wet. I had dipped beam lights on (wearing full gear, silver helmet and reflective sections on the jacket).
Thanks for your time.
Andrew
Re: advice on crash responsibility - fazersharp - 31-01-14
So from your extra info and picture, it looks like you were overtaking on zig zags the cars were stationary because they had stoped to let the woman turn right, you didnt see her and she didnt see you untill it was too late. (i would take the 50/50)
Sorry
Re: advice on crash responsibility - AndyL - 31-01-14
I think I will. I'm not sure if I'd quite got to the zig zag lines but given that
"The courts view remains fairly constant. If you are filtering and collide with a vehicle turning out of or into a junction, then you are likely to be found party at fault. The degree of fault and in turn, the amount of compensation you will lose, will depend on the specifics facts of the case. The court will also take into consideration the speed at which you were travelling."
http://www.bgtbikersolicitors.co.uk/case_law.html#filtering_update
I'm going to try and think of the 50/50 as a better option then what my insurance company were planning before I spoke to them.
I did find out that the driver's insurance wrote to me and mentioned that their excess is £295 my quote came to £250 I'm tempted to phone them to find out how much their repairs will cost and see if we can come to an arrangement. When I phoned her to inform her the bike was damaged she asked to call me back. It was her partner, given that he claimed to have a witness which they have never offered I'm a bit uneasy about dealing with them directly.
Re: advice on crash responsibility - fazersharp - 31-01-14
Any witness in the car do not count as they are connected persons --- is what I always thought
See what other focers say about things
Re: advice on crash responsibility - AndyL - 31-01-14
He was claiming anothor driver (the guy who left the gap) had come forward. I was at the scene for longer so I knew that was unlikely but it was never mentioned anywhere official.
Re: advice on crash responsibility - midden - 31-01-14
[quote author=AndyL link=topic=11
I did find out that the driver's insurance wrote to me and mentioned that their excess is £295 my quote came to £250 I'm tempted to phone them to find out how much their repairs will cost and see if we can come to an arrangement. When I phoned her to inform her the bike was damaged she asked to call me back. It was her partner, given that he claimed to have a witness which they have never offered I'm a bit uneasy about dealing with them directly.
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I'd be inclined to not deal direct leave it with the insurance. It could backfire on you and regardless of whether either of you take a payout from insurance you've lost your nc bonus because a claim form has been put through. Atleast that's what happened to me some years ago.
Go with the 50/50