FZS V FZ1 - Printable Version

FZS V FZ1 - Printable Version

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FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 07-12-13

I have owned an fzs from new since 2005 and wanted to know the difference in handling and performance between a full monty fzs 1000 with dropped forks and r6 shock. and a fully fettled fz1 with all the tuning mods and suspension upgrades. Might be thinking of changing it.... Let the debate begin!

Re: FZS V FZ1 - PieEater - 07-12-13

I don't think anyone is going to argue that a well sorted Gen1 is going to handle or perform better than a well sorted Gen2. Only you can tell whether the additional expense and more sports focused experience is what you want / need.

:lurk

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 07-12-13

Does anyone have dyno graphs to show the difference between the models? Does the fz1 have better handling?

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nick crisp - 07-12-13

Again, whether this is really worth the discussion has to depend on what you want a bike to do. If you just want stonking performance and amazing agility, I would suggest either bike is the wrong way to go. And if those are the things you want, surely your Tuono is going to be better than either?

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 07-12-13

You are right regarding the tuono Smile

. It is in another ball park when it comes to riding pleasure, but it is purely for solo riding. The reason i'm asking the question is that i want to know if the fz1 has a more modern feel handling wise and if the step up in performance is significant when both have been modded. I didn't want one when they came out, as there was snatchy throttle etc, but now there are fuel cut eliminators and tuning mods, so it may be sorted now. Ps.. the fz1 would be used for weekend blasts in the summer with the missus Wink

Re: FZS V FZ1 - Falcon 269 - 07-12-13

'All the tuning mods' for the FZ1 are considerable but costly. Smile

You're talking ECU reflash or PCV + PC ignition module, full exhaust system, airbox/filter mods etc etc. With all these, you'll have a motor which will be similar to a Full Monty Gen 1 up to 8k rpm and then eke out maybe 10bhp more from 9k to redline. You'll need an FCE to cure the fuel-cut issue (present to this day but worse on the original 06 bikes) but Ivan's ECU flash for the Gen 2 covers everything to do with ignition timing and fuel cut. However, it still needs a PCV and separate fuel map.

The Gen 2 has better weight distribution and a stiffer chassis and the post-06 ones were pretty well sorted on spring rates, so handle better and more sporty than a stock or mildly tweaked Gen 1.

The Gen 2 is about 10kgs lighter and handles accordingly. Not so comfortable and less tank range than a Gen 1.

It comes down to rider skill to separate the two bikes in outright on-the-road situations and personal preference on the other points. Smile

Re: FZS V FZ1 - PieEater - 07-12-13

(07-12-13, 09:50 PM)nickodemon link Wrote:the fz1 would be used for weekend blasts in the summer with the missus

Then you should perhaps be asking the Mrs, I know mine would take one look at the pillion perch on the Gen2 and give me 'the look' I also know for sure as a pillion she wouldn't like top end focus of the Gen2.

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 07-12-13

(07-12-13, 10:32 PM)Falcon 269 link Wrote:'All the tuning mods' for the FZ1 are considerable but costly.

You're talking ECU reflash or PCV + PC ignition module, full exhaust system, airbox/filter mods etc etc. With all these, you'll have a motor which will be similar to a Full Monty Gen 1 up to 8k rpm and then eke out maybe 10bhp more from 9k to redline. You'll need an FCE to cure the fuel-cut issue (present to this day but worse on the original 06 bikes) but Ivan's ECU flash for the Gen 2 covers everything to do with ignition timing and fuel cut. However, it still needs a PCV and separate fuel map.

The Gen 2 has better weight distribution and a stiffer chassis and the post-06 ones were pretty well sorted on spring rates, so handle better and more sporty than a stock or mildly tweaked Gen 1.

The Gen 2 is about 10kgs lighter and handles accordingly. Not so comfortable and less tank range than a Gen 1.

It comes down to rider skill to separate the two bikes in outright on-the-road situations and personal preference on the other points.

Cheers, Mike. Lot's to think about!

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 07-12-13

(07-12-13, 10:34 PM)PieEater link Wrote:[quote author=nickodemon link=topic=10947.msg116253#msg116253 date=1386449431]
the fz1 would be used for weekend blasts in the summer with the missus

Re: FZS V FZ1 - stevierst - 08-12-13

I had the pleasure of riding Brooker81's gen 1 back to back with my fz1 a couple of months ago. He has ivanised it, and r6 shock. I can tell tell you that it's a bike not too be messed with, it tried to loft the front all the time! Awesome spread of power!
I prefer the gen 1 engine, but Gen2 handling is, even in standard form better for back road thrashing.
I've done all the basic tuning mods to my fz1 (end can/airbox/filter/trimmed flies/tb juicebox & map). It's bloody quick, but needs revving to get the best from it.

As for the rear 'seat', I regularly take my sister on rideouts, and she says it's comfy, but she is only a skinny 8 stone! The wife's been on the back once or twice, she's a little heavier, and she said it was ok for short blasts (50 miles or so).

If your after a fun bike for chucking about, the fz1 is the choice. As a do it all bike, the fzs is the king! (if I could have both, I would!)

Re: FZS V FZ1 - slimwilly - 08-12-13

The strange thing is that we are talking 1000cc brute power engines here Smile

To the uninformed or lesser powered bike riders the 1000 sounds like a monster power plant (which it probably is) and yet in no time on our 1000cc bikes we are screwing the throttle open and back in the workshop we are hunting for more power :lol .

I am one who always wanted a big powerful thou, i am generally pleased with it, its a hoot when passing cars or opening it up on little straights,,they are exciting to ride but " not the snarling,kicking,fire breathing " animal we would all or were lead to believe.

Maybe i can do some power tests today for comparison to the FZS and FZ1 for accelleration..

Comfort,,,sat on that back seat,,who the hell would want to sit back there,if you have a woman pillion then hats off to them for the experience of flying up on that seat.It must be love. Big Grin

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nick crisp - 08-12-13

(08-12-13, 01:09 AM)stevierst link Wrote:I had the pleasure of riding Brooker81's gen 1 back to back with my fz1 a couple of months ago. He has ivanised it, and r6 shock. I can tell tell you that it's a bike not too be messed with, it tried to loft the front all the time! Awesome spread of power!
I prefer the gen 1 engine, but Gen2 handling is, even in standard form better for back road thrashing.
I've done all the basic tuning mods to my fz1 (end can/airbox/filter/trimmed flies/tb juicebox & map). It's bloody quick, but needs revving to get the best from it.

As for the rear 'seat', I regularly take my sister on rideouts, and she says it's comfy, but she is only a skinny 8 stone! The wife's been on the back once or twice, she's a little heavier, and she said it was ok for short blasts (50 miles or so).

If your after a fun bike for chucking about, the fz1 is the choice. As a do it all bike, the fzs is the king! (if I could have both, I would!)

That's the ideal, isn't it? The gen 1s power spread/comfort/ability to load up, and the gen 2s handling/lighter weight. Plus the extra performance of Ivanising/PC/reflash. And all with a Yamaha badge! Not asking much are we? :rolleyes

TBH, I really don't need any more top end power than the Ivanised gen 1 has tho. I ain't no Rossi/Steve Burns!

Re: FZS V FZ1 - Loz - 08-12-13

Quote:Comfort,,,sat on that back seat,,who the hell would want to sit back there,if you have a woman pillion then hats off to them for the experience of flying up on that seat.It must be love.

I have only gone pillion on mine once....never again, the vibration through the pegs was horrendous, i'll stick to the front seat thanks Wink

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 08-12-13

I thought the rear seat on the fz1 looked ok for pillions, but several of you have said it's poor, so i think that would make me stick with the fzs, as her indoors would go tonto if i bought another bike she didn't like going pillion on :lol

Re: FZS V FZ1 - pitternator - 12-12-13

An endless debate, which has no real answer as we all want different things. I bought my FZS for its all round ability and the relentless surge from the engine. The FZ-1 is not a torquemeister . On paper its better but on the road the power is all top endy.My 06 stock bike felt weedy until the tacho read 7krpm. Not what you would expect from 1000cc. Some have modified their bikes to claw some of this back, but its still a sportbike engine.Which is fine if you are on the case , not so good for roll on type riding. As some have said, given my full monty engine gives nearly 140 bhp at rear wheel, for road use, do you need any more ?? Its fecking rare I ever max the fazer out , so even I dont use it all....if anything it feels overpowered for many road/ traffic situations. Belting power comes in at 4k rpm even in top, so just sticking to 60 can be a problem.

The FZ-1 looks much more modern, but I like the classic look of the FZS. Its like an old friend to me,the thou is a bike I did all the firsts on ( first 160 mph, first knee down, first track day , first foreign tour) whereas I only have bad memories of the FZ-1, and even after spending a grand on it , it still didnt hit my sweet spot.I felt the same about my ZX-9. Great on paper , but for me it was the wrong bike. :\
But you can buy both FZS and FZ-1 so cheap these days , I spose the rivalry will never really go away ! :lol

Re: FZS V FZ1 - Ianboydsnr - 12-12-13

(12-12-13, 08:10 AM)pitternator link Wrote:An endless debate, which has no real answer as we all want different things. I bought my FZS for its all round ability and the relentless surge from the engine. The FZ-1 is not a torquemeister . On paper its better but on the road the power is all top endy.My 06 stock bike felt weedy until the tacho read 7krpm. Not what you would expect from 1000cc. Some have modified their bikes to claw some of this back, but its still a sportbike engine.Which is fine if you are on the case , not so good for roll on type riding. As some have said, given my full monty engine gives nearly 140 bhp at rear wheel, for road use, do you need any more ?? Its fecking rare I ever max the fazer out , so even I dont use it all....if anything it feels overpowered for many road/ traffic situations. Belting power comes in at 4k rpm even in top, so just sticking to 60 can be a problem.

The FZ-1 looks much more modern, but I like the classic look of the FZS. Its like an old friend to me,the thou is a bike I did all the firsts on ( first 160 mph, first knee down, first track day , first foreign tour) whereas I only have bad memories of the FZ-1, and even after spending a grand on it , it still didnt hit my sweet spot.I felt the same about my ZX-9. Great on paper , but for me it was the wrong bike. :\
But you can buy both FZS and FZ-1 so cheap these days , I spose the rivalry will never really go away ! :lol

the difference is exactly the difference between the fazer 600 and Fz6, if your gunning it at the top end the newer models are faster, but everyday riding the older ones are easier to ride, when I bought my first gen 1 I rode it around for a month under 6k rpm, when I had a gen 2 i went everywhere at 7k plus as it seemed underpowered below :lol

Re: FZS V FZ1 - seangee - 12-12-13

Guess its all been said. Important thing to remember is the Gen 2 isn't an upgrade to the Gen 1. Its a different bike. So if you love the FZS and want something newer its not necessarily the automatic choice.

That said there are several likely candidates out there so you could always line up a few fun filled weekends with test rides.

Re: FZS V FZ1 - nickodemon - 12-12-13

Decided to stick with the fzs Smile

I don't want a bike that pillion comfort is an issue and in real road terms feels less powerful low down. The one thing i love about the fzs 'ivanised' is the grunty engine. I don't want a bike that i have to rev hard to get the best from it. I think i will spend money on suspension tweeks instead. I have the r6 shock mod, so i think i might go down the r1 front end route.

Re: FZS V FZ1 - bigbluebear - 13-12-13

Good choice Nick, I came to the same conclusion last year and spent a few quid making mine even better

Re: FZS V FZ1 - PieEater - 13-12-13

Every time I get upgradeitis it's cured by thinking logically about what bike would offer more than the Gen1 without sacrificing any aspect of it's all round ability and practicality.