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Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
So I've finally got to a point in my rebuild, after the crash 4 weeks ago, that I was ready to test the bike on the road...
Bike was reluctant to start at first, but it came to life and everything seemed like normal. Still on the centre stand I figured I'd check everything out first to make sure I didn't get any nasty surprises. Kicked it in to gear with the clutch pulled in and the engine cuts out... crap.
So I put my investigating hat on and immediately set about checking the Sidestand switch. Got my multimeter out and checked resistance across the switch - all good! Checked the Fuses (Haynes suggested to :\) and they all seem fine. At this point my multi-meter decided it would run out of battery power and I don't have any spares so that's me done for now and figured I'd get some ideas from you good folk
So here it is laid out;
- Engine cuts out when put in to gear
- Sidestand switch tested ok with multi-meter
- Fuses ok
- Engine off, in 1st, clutch pulled in - won't start
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - ChristoT - 02-09-13
Is the side stand switch actually engaging / disengaging properly?
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
Yes... I did say that I had tested it with a multi-meter...
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - ChristoT - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 05:56 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote:Yes... I did say that I had tested it with a multi-meter...
That means the electric part is working, not necessarily the mechanical part. Just thought I'd chuck it out there.
Clutch switch is a possible culprit.
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
That makes no sense - if the switch is working electronically then obviously the mechanical part is working. Aka, it shows the correct change in resistance as the switch is operated
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - ChristoT - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 06:29 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote:it shows the correct change in resistance as the switch is operated
OK, sorry, the OP hadn't made that clear.
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
So mentioning twice that I had tested the switch and it was ok wasn't making it clear... have you been to doctors after your crash?
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - ChristoT - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 06:42 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote:So mentioning twice that I had tested the switch and it was ok wasn't making it clear... have you been to doctors after your crash?
Sod off. That is all.
When you said you'd tested the switch, I wasn't sure of WHAT exactly you had tested. Hence why I double checked.
You can thank me later for the bump, BTW.
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - mr self destruct - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 06:42 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote:So mentioning twice that I had tested the switch and it was ok wasn't making it clear... have you been to doctors after your crash?
I think Christo is asking if the sidestand actually operates the switch effectively, no matter how good the switch itself is. That part of it you haven't made clear.
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
Ok.
I got down on my hands and knees to look a the side stand switch and mechanism. It was covered in crap so I gave it a good clean (this is AFTER the problem presented itself). I could see the mechanism operating correctly as a lowered and raised the side stand in order for the switch rod to retract and be pushed back in.
I then attached the multimeter to the end of the cable that feeds the side stand switch where it is connected behind the left hand panel. With the sidestand up there was no resistance, and with my foot I push the side stand down and the resistance became infinite.
This to me clarifies that the switch and mechanism is operating correctly
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - mr self destruct - 02-09-13
Ok cool.
Is the clutch adjusted properly? Could it be not disengaging the drive and causing the engine to stall?
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
The clutch should be fine but its near impossible to adjust if the engine cuts out when its in gear. Exup rode the bike home and reported no clutch issues and it hasn't been touched since
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Skippernick - 02-09-13
Chain tension, if its too tight would it cause a stall?
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
But if the clutch is in then the engine shouldn't engage and the wheel wouldn't move - but the chain doesn't appear too tight. Looks as though it might be too loose if anything
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - ChristoT - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 08:25 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote:But if the clutch is in then the engine shouldn't engage and the wheel wouldn't move - but the chain doesn't appear too tight. Looks as though it might be too loose if anything
Could something be blocking the front sprocket? Is the clutch disengaging properly?
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Dead Eye - 02-09-13
To be honest I really don't expect it to be a mechanical fault due to one test that I did
- Engine off, in 1st, clutch pulled in - won't start
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - elbrownos - 02-09-13
Have you got Yamaha Fazer 600 (1998 - 1999) Service Manual?
http://www.archive.org/download/http://archive.org/details/printermanual-yamaha-fazer-fzs600-service-manual-1998
Chapter 8 has some detailed electrical troubleshooting instructions
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - unfazed - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 09:10 PM)Dead Eye link Wrote:To be honest I really don't expect it to be a mechanical fault due to one test that I didBike has to be in neutral if the the side stand down to start.
- Engine off, in 1st, clutch pulled in - won't start
With the bike in gear, the side stand must be up and the clutch must be pulled in to start.
Since it starts in neutral and the side stand tests correctly then the next test must be the clutch switch
Bypass the clutch switch by removing the wires to the clutch switch and connect them together with a piece of wire.
Does the engine start? If it does replace the clutch switch.
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - robby boy - 02-09-13
(02-09-13, 10:05 PM)unfazed link Wrote:[quote author=Dead Eye link=topic=9697.msg98631#msg98631 date=1378152617]Bike has to be in neutral if the the side stand down to start.
To be honest I really don't expect it to be a mechanical fault due to one test that I did
- Engine off, in 1st, clutch pulled in - won't start
With the bike in gear, the side stand must be up and the clutch must be pulled in to start.
Since it starts in neutral and the side stand tests correctly then the next test must be the clutch switch
Bypass the clutch switch by removing the wires to the clutch switch and connect them together with a piece of wire.
Does the engine start? If it does replace the clutch switch.
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Have you tried starting the bike with the side stand up, if it should start try engaging gear (with side stand up) it should not stall, also if you have a centre stand try engaging gear with the bike on the centre stand and the engine off, try turning rear wheel it should not turn, now pull in clutch, wheel should now turn.
Re: Engine cuts out when put in gear - Fazerider - 02-09-13
It's certainly behaving like the side stand switch isn't working. Since you've proved the switch itself is OK then I'd guess the fault is either the wiring/connectors between the switch and the starting circuit cut-out relay... or the diode in the relay assembly itself.