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Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
Hi guys,
First post on this forum, so I should probably say hello too! I am riding an '05 FZ1 that I got last year. Did a longish trip out to Bosnia and back but have really not had much bike time this year.
When I got it the bike was on its original battery (I think), and earlier this year just before summer the battery was pretty dead. I tried charging it with my optimate, but it was not having any of it. So I replaced the battery with a new MotoBatt (MBTX9U) and all seemed fine, it started first time and I went for a short ride. Now I left the bike for some time (a couple of months) and when I tried to start it that battery was dead too, so I charged it overnight but in the morning it did not start.
To cut a long story short, I wheeled the bike into the shed, plugged in the optimate and forgot about it for another month or so... tried starting it again yesterday but not much joy initially. After a bit of a charge it did start last night, and I let it run a bit and tried starting it a few times and it was ok. I then left it overnight without being charged as I wanted to see how it would last overnight. This morning it will not start again.
Symptoms are as follows:
- [/size]the optimate shows it full charged, with no current being added
- [/size]I have verified this with a multimeter
- [/size]when I try and crank it the voltage just dies completely, as though it cannot supply enough current
- [/size]this lack of voltage causes the electronics to shut down which obviously does not aid the sparking at all! :b
- [/size]there is strange clicking from the tail, like a relay rapidly opening and closing (this may be from the alarm, I am not sure)
I want to go on a trip to Belgium this coming weekend, and the last thing I need is a dodgy battery for the trip.
Does anybody have any suggestions as to what could be the problem? One thing I should probably mention is that my battery is installed flipped on its side, this was the only way I could get it to fit in the space under the seat. Is this correct?
cheers
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Re: Battery issues - nickodemon - 18-08-13
It's the wrong battery mate. The reason the bike won't crank over with the battery fully charged is because its ampage is too low. The correct motobatt battery is a MBT14B4. Your battery has only 9amps when it should have 14 amps.
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
(18-08-13, 11:53 AM)nickodemon link Wrote: It's the wrong battery mate. The reason the bike won't crank over with the battery fully charged is because its ampage is too low. The correct motobatt battery is a MBT14B4. Your battery has only 9amps when it should have 14 amps.
Arg, that explains a lot of things!
I have just checked my order on amazon, and I did ask for the CTZ14-S / YTZ14-S which I believe is the same as the MBT14B, so it looks like the vendor has just sent me the wrong thing and I never noticed. Strange that it did work first time after I just installed it![/size][size=78%] [/size]
[/size]Thanks for your help.[size=78%]
Re: Battery issues - nickodemon - 18-08-13
You also shouldn't have the battery installed on its side, as you can fry the plates because the plate at the top won't be covered with gel/acid, which will kill it in no time
Re: Battery issues - nickodemon - 18-08-13
I have just noticed you have a gen 2 fazer, which is supposed to have a 9 amp battery :rolleyes The gen 1 has the 14 amp battery.... Oops. Still don't know why you had to fit the battery on it's side?
Re: Battery issues - nickodemon - 18-08-13
Might sound like a stupid question - Are you sure its a gen2, not a gen 1?
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
I think it is a gen 2, its a 2006 model.
Interstingly, I have done a bit more digging on the MotoBatt site, and it looks like I actually may have the correct battery as you suggested. Hmmm, maybe I knackered it by installing it sideways!
Re: Battery issues - stevierst - 18-08-13
Take it for a long ride (an hour +) with it installed properly and see how it does. I've kmackered a few batteries with mains chargers in the past and don't really trust them personally. Motobatt are normally tough as granite, so with a bit of luck it'll recover!
Re: Battery issues - nickodemon - 18-08-13
It is a gen 2 and you did have the right battery! Probably knackered because of fitting it wrong, but as stevierst says get it running and go for a good ride to see if it holds a charge.
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
(18-08-13, 01:42 PM)stevierst link Wrote: Take it for a long ride (an hour +) with it installed properly and see how it does. I've kmackered a few batteries with mains chargers in the past and don't really trust them personally. Motobatt are normally tough as granite, so with a bit of luck it'll recover!
Can't, it won't fire up :\
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
Super confused now,
Just tried to re-fit the battery this time with the terminals up (i.e. the normal way of doing things). The battery fits fine this way, although there is a bit of space on one of the sides (see picture).
The thing is, with the battery this way up there is no way I can get the seat back on without it fouling on the battery! (see other picture).
Am I being totally thick here? I have a nagging suspicion that when I removed the old battery it also was on its side?
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
The service manual does show the battery lying on its side when installed.
Re: Battery issues - stevierst - 18-08-13
Yep, your right, just seen mine. Its led down!
![[Image: apuhetuv.jpg]](http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/18/apuhetuv.jpg)
Bump start it, and go for a long ride after checking the terminals are tight. If its still flat then, there's definately something amiss!
Re: Battery issues - Tmation - 18-08-13
I may be talking out of my arse here but I have read somewhere that these motobatt batteries don't like to be deep cycled (allowed to go completely flat), they will look like they are taking a charge but won't have the amps to start.
You could try giving it a jolt from a 12V car battery to see if that wakes it up then give it a charge. You may just have a defective battery and if it was me I would fit a new one before going away.
Re: Battery issues - stevierst - 18-08-13
(18-08-13, 02:49 PM)Tmation link Wrote: I may be talking out of my arse here but I have read somewhere that these motobatt batteries don't like to be deep cycled (allowed to go completely flat), they will look like they are taking a charge but won't have the amps to start.I don't know about the deep cycle bit, but a car battery jump start would certainly get it going. (ofcourse with the engine off!)
You could try giving it a jolt from a 12V car battery to see if that wakes it up then give it a charge. You may just have a defective battery and if it was me I would fit a new one before going away.
There's a thread on here somewhere where some American dude tested a load of bike batteries to absolute extreme lengths over about a year. The motobatt came out on top overall. Does anyone know where that thread is?
Re: Battery issues - nickodemon - 18-08-13
I'm not up to speed on gen 2's but i think it should be fitted as manual states and how it was originally fitted. It sounds as though it needs a good charge from a car charger to shake it into life. I also have an optimate and they can sometimes be a bit of a pain, when trying to get a flat battery back to life. I wish you luck!
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 18-08-13
(18-08-13, 04:19 PM)nickodemon link Wrote: I'm not up to speed on gen 2's but i think it should be fitted as manual states and how it was originally fitted. It sounds as though it needs a good charge from a car charger to shake it into life. I also have an optimate and they can sometimes be a bit of a pain, when trying to get a flat battery back to life. I wish you luck!
Thanks!
I will probably just buy a new battery, as if I get stranded somewhere in Belgium its going to cost me a shit load more!
:'(
Re: Battery issues - stevierst - 18-08-13
Send the bugger back and tell them it's faulty. Don't but a new one!
Re: Battery issues - pencils - 19-08-13
Been trying to find a new battery this morning, and have found that the new spec Yuasa that replaces the old one is not actually recommended to be installed sideways, so I imagine its the same with the MotoBatt one I got. That is probably what knackered it.
Re: Battery issues - Camshaft - 19-08-13
The Motobatt in my Gen 1 sat uncharged in a garage for a year and would only start with a clutch start. When I got the bike home after transporting it in a trailer I charged it with a low power charger for 3 hours and the bike started. No issues with it since. Upright mount in these bikes.