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So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Streetbudgie - 14-05-13
I've heard some interesting arguments on this one
I think it it is to do with the changing population of London reflecting the increase in the number of those from overseas and and those with a different heritage from the indigenous Englishman
For religious reasons some people don't drink alcohol and other countries just don't have going to Pubs as part of their social culture.
I thought I could list some countries that do but apart from UK, Ireland and Germany I really can't.
Greek people on the whole like a bevy but it's usually around family and a meal with kids and granny et all involved.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - dBfazer600 - 14-05-13
Its not just London but all over the country but I do think its a change in culture to a more family orientated focus. The traditional pub is finding it hard to compete with cheep sales from shops as the outlets for alcohol were the beer off/off licence and the changing working paterns and demographics of the working population.
Daz
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - jon - 14-05-13
Smoking ban started it, prices finished it. All of our pubs are now turning into resaurants, thats where the money is now.
It aint just london, all the local village pubs round here are dead on a weekend now, ironically its only the eastern european powerdrinkers that are spending any money on alcohol round here, the english all seem to drink at home now.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Doddsie - 14-05-13
What is better than sitting in the garden of a nice country pub in the summer? Problem is, how do you get there??? Cost of petrol is sky high and you cant drink and drive, add to this that you can get 12 cans in Tesco`s for the price of 3 pints and all starts to become clear!!!
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - JZS 600 - 14-05-13
The price of beer is driving the pubs shut as well as the smoking ban.
Hey ho, new times!
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - bri h - 14-05-13
My loal is packed with youngsters at the weekend but prety dead the rest of the week. I only go there when its 2quid a pint in happy hour. I suppose us parents are subsidising our kids having fun. Cant begrudge them that thou eh.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - simonm - 14-05-13
I prefer boozin at home, no smart asses, loud music or aggressive drunks to deal with. Especially when I can have a bbq going at the same time.
Weatherspoons are decimating pubs by being cheap and good value. Nowt wrong with that imho provided they keep the tv's and music off
MOst of the pubs that are closing probably sold flat ale or gave food poisoning. You have to be successful in public houses to survive. If you don't innovate and provide hygienic quality even if it's at a cost you'll be gone (or shut down) in no time
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - taylor - 14-05-13
that,s very true simonm i agree. i am in wales cheap beer they say,in my local 369 a pint of stella, in the shop 4 cans 429.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Doddsie - 14-05-13
How are Weatherspoons decimating pubs??? They do good food for a good price and cheap beer. They took the monopoly from the major breweries by not being so greedy. They make a small profit on everything but over a grand scale. There is no music in Weatherspoon pubs, only in Lloyds.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - taylor - 14-05-13
good food :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin come on.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Doddsie - 14-05-13
fish and chips isnt good food then??? Im sure we have all eaten it!!!
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - simonm - 14-05-13
(14-05-13, 08:41 PM)Doddsie link Wrote: How are Weatherspoons decimating pubs??? They do good food for a good price and cheap beer. They took the monopoly from the major breweries by not being so greedy. They make a small profit on everything but over a grand scale. There is no music in Weatherspoon pubs, only in Lloyds.
Wetherspoons are decimating expensive (read traditional) pubs by providing a cheap and quality alternative ? I suspect you're agreeing with me without understanding my post.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - simonm - 14-05-13
Make mine a beer and a chicken burger ;-). Could be tempted by the steak or curry days too.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Doddsie - 14-05-13
A lot of real traditional pubs shot them selves in the foot by being greedy in the first place. Not just in the prices they charged but also in the rent they charged landlords etc. Manns, whitbreads, Charlie Wells etc all had a good selection of pubs in virtually every town, Weatherspoons have thrived because they have reasonable prices, not because they are a large chain. They usually only have a couple of pubs in each town whereas the major league brewers had anything up to 20. If weatherspoons can sell it cheap, why couldnt they, especially as most of them brewed their own beer as well?
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - VNA - 14-05-13
Falling incomes. Private companies also pushing people towards lower pay and poorer conditions etc.
People stuck with big mortgages, or you have rising rates cos folks can't get mortgages. Higher levels of unemployment. Student debt.
Triple dip recession.
Apparently we are drinking more than ever though. Cheap supermarket booze, it's never been cheaper. And of course supermarkets use drink as a loss leader. I mean I can pick up a bottle of decent whisky for a tenner from Morrisons, gotta be a loss leader.
If a pub wants to survive it needs to look at it's market, and changing tastes. A lot of white indigenous folks want more from their pub than just somewhere to get pissed on crap beer.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Doddsie - 14-05-13
Exactly, when you go to the pub its not cos youre thirsty, you are paying for the whole social aspect. It is always cheaper to drink at home, but its not as much fun. Some pubs do this so much better than others.
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Exupnut - 14-05-13
what about the drama aspect in city pubs,,,,yunguns getting pissed and fightin over sod all, constantly havin to watch ur things for fear of theft, people invadin ur space tryin to flog u dvd's or drugs etc constantly q-ing at peak times and then bein pissed at the bill, people nickin ur drinks or spillin them and tellin u "fuck off its ur fault" arguing over the pool table or rules or who put coin down first, nutters,,and i mean proper nutters approachin u in all manner of ways for money....oh yeah and the toilets....we wont go there .(takes a breath)..who the fuck would want to drink in a city pub.
me and a girl i used to live with got up on sat mornings went for a breccy and chose a weatherspoon somewhere in the country and just drove there for lunch dinner whatever on our bikes,,,,easily a 100 different pubs plus our local. medium food at a good price and the beer is well priced..i have nevver seen a hint of trouble in the many ive been to. all age groups and family friendly..and the bogs are clean
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Looney tune - 15-05-13
:eek Exup, I'm heading down to Woking today and then out in London tomorrow night (never been to London) so sounds like fun !!
On the pub front, Wetherspoons can do cheap because of there buying power when it comes to stock. 'Ok Mr brewery man we will take X thousand barrels and we want them for X pounds', 'Ok Mr spoons we can do that as your business keeps us going with the amount of pubs you have'.
As for their food, posh Mc Donalds at best. When I go out for a meal I like to eat something that is not ready available to us at our local shops etc, then you don't get the old favourite of " I could make this " feeling.
Hardly ever drink at home, love the crack in a pub :guitar
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - Simon.Pieman - 15-05-13
I have a flat in Southwark that I use when I'm 'uptown' and the pubs around there seem to be thriving during the week, a lot of the city boys come over after work for a pub crawl but they are mostly white or rich young Asian types who have money to burn and they arn't local. At weekends it's tourists who throng the bars from Blackfriars to Borough right down the river to Wapping (a pub crawl I've done often) The pubs that are closing in London are those that are off the tourist trail and in areas where the number of immigrants is almost a majority and very few of them drink.
At home in Cornwall, I only go to the pub occaissionally after fishing on the coast, my local pub is ruined by over loud music which seems to be for the benefit of the young staff rather than the customers who can hardly hear themselves speak.
Si
Re: So why are Pubs closing all over London? - locksmith - 15-05-13
(15-05-13, 07:26 AM)Looney tune link Wrote: When I go out for a meal I like to eat something that is not ready available to us at our local shops etc, then you don't get the old favourite of " I could make this " feeling.
Exactly my feelings, If I can make better at home I resent paying for it.
Especially Weatherspoons where it's just reheated mass produced stuff, but there beer is cheap!
In my village there's two pubs. One is a really nice open plan place but sells reheated food at un-cheap prices and the other has had a succession of landlords who all seem to get it wrong. The food there is fresh, but so hit and miss but the atmosphere is lousy. Even the landlady (who must recognise our faces), never aknowledges us or gets off her bar stool to serve when theres people waiting and mooches round in her slippers :lol
One weatherspoons I occasionally use is near the Highbury tube station. On a match day, they have around 12 servers behind the bar so you can get served quickly despite the place being rammed. And a beer and a burger is really cheap. (I can stomach a gormet burger and chips if beer is involved :lol )